2.1Using the One Click Image ??

http://book.seaside.st/book/getting-started/pharo-squeak/one-click-image#AnnotatedSeasideApplicationDesk
Says to use the Seaside 3.0 one click image. I can't track one down, and the image (picture) on that page is of 2.8.4.

Digging around on how to get a Seaside 3.0, the advice appears to be to download a Pharo dev image and then load a Seaside script.

From a marketing point of view, we appear to be losing our 'leads' at the first hurdle.

I set out to make a 3.0 one click image (still trying), but it took me down various other blind alleys, mainly with browser/refactoring issues.

I'm imagining someone has a 3.0 on  PharoCore1.0rc1 with working refactoring, that could be zipped up and put on http://www.seaside.st/download/pharo. Please? If it's hidden in plain sight, my apologies.

Cheers,   ...Stan

> I'm imagining someone has a 3.0 on  PharoCore1.0rc1 with working
> refactoring, that could be zipped up and put on
> http://www.seaside.st/download/pharo. Please? If it's hidden in plain sight,
> my apologies.

This is not your fault, we didn't have one on the website. There is so
much to do ...

I've uploaded one of automatically built development images with the
latest Seaside 3.0 and refactoring tools and put it into the one-click
distribution. Check out <http://www.seaside.st/download/pharo>.

Lukas

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That's great, thanks Lukas. I'll switch over to it now and see how it goes.

...Stan
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Lukas Renggli wrote

> I'm imagining someone has a 3.0 on  PharoCore1.0rc1 with working
> refactoring, that could be zipped up and put on
> http://www.seaside.st/download/pharo. Please? If it's hidden in plain sight,
> my apologies.

This is not your fault, we didn't have one on the website. There is so
much to do ...

I've uploaded one of automatically built development images with the
latest Seaside 3.0 and refactoring tools and put it into the one-click
distribution. Check out <http://www.seaside.st/download/pharo>.

Lukas

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Lukas, thanks for this, seems very workable.

Some quick feedback - still running the test suite.

obsoletes: {AnObsoleteInputSensor. AnObsoleteInputSensor class}
These are not cured by ScriptLoader new cleanUpForRelease.
Refactoring scope OK
Code critics OK
Refactor move message to class side / to instance side OK
Functional tests from browser seem fine, including
JQueryUI droppable that previously had 'jumping' bug in Firefox
(maybe I'd done that)
Theme needs to be set to Watery 2 to match the book.
Button fonts are ugly, as per issue 1604
http://pharo.googlecode.com/issues/attachment?aid=2184834625871656402&name=Picture+2.png&inline=1
docking bar working, including previews
right click mouse button works on Linux


Observations:
code completion is off
higherPerformance is off
fast drag windows off

For marketing purposes, to go with the book, it needs issue 1604 fixed so it looks modern and 'professional'.

Cheers,   ...Stan

Lukas Renggli wrote

> I'm imagining someone has a 3.0 on  PharoCore1.0rc1 with working
> refactoring, that could be zipped up and put on
> http://www.seaside.st/download/pharo. Please? If it's hidden in plain sight,
> my apologies.

This is not your fault, we didn't have one on the website. There is so
much to do ...

I've uploaded one of automatically built development images with the
latest Seaside 3.0 and refactoring tools and put it into the one-click
distribution. Check out <http://www.seaside.st/download/pharo>.

Lukas

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Stan Shepherd wrote

Lukas, thanks for this, seems very workable.

Some quick feedback - still running the test suite.

obsoletes: {AnObsoleteInputSensor. AnObsoleteInputSensor class}
These are not cured by ScriptLoader new cleanUpForRelease.
Refactoring scope OK
Code critics OK
Refactor move message to class side / to instance side OK
Functional tests from browser seem fine, including
JQueryUI droppable that previously had 'jumping' bug in Firefox
(maybe I'd done that)
Theme needs to be set to Watery 2 to match the book.
Button fonts are ugly, as per issue 1604
http://pharo.googlecode.com/issues/attachment?aid=2184834625871656402&name=Picture+2.png&inline=1
docking bar working, including previews
right click mouse button works on Linux


Observations:
code completion is off
higherPerformance is off
fast drag windows off

For marketing purposes, to go with the book, it needs issue 1604 fixed so it looks modern and 'professional'.

Cheers,   ...Stan

Lukas Renggli wrote

> I'm imagining someone has a 3.0 on  PharoCore1.0rc1 with working
> refactoring, that could be zipped up and put on
> http://www.seaside.st/download/pharo. Please? If it's hidden in plain sight,
> my apologies.

This is not your fault, we didn't have one on the website. There is so
much to do ...

I've uploaded one of automatically built development images with the
latest Seaside 3.0 and refactoring tools and put it into the one-click
distribution. Check out <http://www.seaside.st/download/pharo>.

Lukas

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What version of the product are you using?
3.0.5a
pharo 10502
ubuntu 9.04
On what operating system?

Stops on test 2484. Will try to narrow it down

> What version of the product are you using?
> 3.0.5a
> pharo 10502
> ubuntu 9.04
> On what operating system?
>
> Stops on test 2484. Will try to narrow it down

The test run on my machine. Some of the refactoring engine tests are
really slow though. Some of them take a few minutes to complete.

Keep in mind that this is unstable software. Pharo and Seaside have
both not been released.

> code completion is off
> higherPerformance is off
> fast drag windows off

Note, that the image is a build script that I use to build my own
development images, it is not a polished distributions. Code
completion is not turned off, it works perfectly me. You might be used
to OCompletion, I prefer ECompletion that might behave different than
you expect.

Lukas

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I get the attached failures, which is to be expected.

2009/12/20 Lukas Renggli <[hidden email]>:

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Lukas Renggli wrote

I get the attached failures, which is to be expected.

2009/12/20 Lukas Renggli <renggli@gmail.com>:
>> What version of the product are you using?
>> 3.0.5a
>> pharo 10502
>> ubuntu 9.04
>> On what operating system?
>>
>> Stops on test 2484. Will try to narrow it down
>
> The test run on my machine. Some of the refactoring engine tests are
> really slow though. Some of them take a few minutes to complete.
>
> Keep in mind that this is unstable software. Pharo and Seaside have
> both not been released.
>
>> code completion is off
>> higherPerformance is off
>> fast drag windows off
>
> Note, that the image is a build script that I use to build my own
> development images, it is not a polished distributions. Code
> completion is not turned off, it works perfectly me. You might be used
> to OCompletion, I prefer ECompletion that might behave different than
> you expect.
>
> Lukas
>
> --
> Lukas Renggli
> http://www.lukas-renggli.ch
>



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It ran through this time. I got:
8720 run, 8691 passes, 19 expected failures, 10 failures, 0 errors, 0 unexpected passes

I'm pretty sure it froze because I had two instances running in the same directory. Should Pharo check for that?

Lukas Renggli wrote

 Note, that the image is a build script that I use to build my own
 development images, it is not a polished distributions

Yes. My feedback is based on the assumption that there needs to a fairly stable release that matches
the book (which I think is great). I'm putting together a learning setup for myself on JQueryUI, and would like it to be on the same version as the book.

I'll keep working towards such a version for myself; let me know whether it's useful to provide feedback on this version, or whether I should wait for a release version.

From a marketing point of view, the book needs to match the image, doesn't it?. Perhaps the book needs to refer to the 2.8.4 version for now?

Cheers,   ...Stan

> I'll keep working towards such a version for myself; let me know whether
> it's useful to provide feedback on this version, or whether I should wait
> for a release version.

Sure, feel free to give feedback. Pharo related problems, probably
better to the Pharo list.

I just wanted to make sure that nobody expects a bug-free release,
because this is all based on development versions.

> >From a marketing point of view, the book needs to match the image, doesn't
> it?. Perhaps the book needs to refer to the 2.8.4 version for now?

We are in the process of changing it to 3.0.

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On Sun, Dec 20, 2009 at 4:59 AM, Lukas Renggli <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> >From a marketing point of view, the book needs to match the image, doesn't
>> it?. Perhaps the book needs to refer to the 2.8.4 version for now?
>
> We are in the process of changing it to 3.0.

Stan does make a good point, though. The book is such an excellent
resource and it would really increase its value if people could get at
a stable 2.8.4 version of the book while contributors are updating it
for 3.0. I can see that the mix of 2.8 and 3.0 content in a live,
bleeding-edge version of the book would be very confusing for beginner
Seaside users, who are the main target of the book.

Also, having only a 3.0 version of the book kind of pushes people into
using the 3.0 alpha, which is a bit unfortunate, given that the book
is targeted at beginners while alpha releases are targeted at
experienced developers. The fact that people are asking for a
one-click and we said we wouldn't provide a one-click until beta kind
of points to this.

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On Dec 19, 2009, at 7:52 PM, Lukas Renggli wrote:

>> I'm imagining someone has a 3.0 on  PharoCore1.0rc1 with working
>> refactoring, that could be zipped up and put on
>> http://www.seaside.st/download/pharo. Please? If it's hidden in plain sight,
>> my apologies.
>
> This is not your fault, we didn't have one on the website. There is so
> much to do ...

you are doing so much don't get frustrated or blame yourself :)

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