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mmimica

64 bit

Hello list!

I was wondering, are you going to provide a 64-bit OneClick package
any time soon? When and what does that depend on?
If not, how do I go about building my own 64-bit image on linux?

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Damien Cassou

Re: 64 bit

On Wed, Sep 7, 2011 at 2:39 PM, Milan Mimica <[hidden email]> wrote:
> how do I go about building my own 64-bit image on linux?

you can try to follow Mariano's blog posts:
http://marianopeck.wordpress.com/2011/03/31/journey-through-the-vm/.

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Mariano Martinez Peck

Re: 64 bit

In reply to this post by mmimica

On Wed, Sep 7, 2011 at 2:39 PM, Milan Mimica <[hidden email]> wrote:

Hello list!

I was wondering, are you going to provide a 64-bit OneClick package
any time soon? When and what does that depend on?

mmm not sure. Compile the VM in 64 bits is not that complicated. Problem is that some plugins do not work with 64 bits VM, like FFI.

If not, how do I go about building my own 64-bit image on linux?

I think we already tried. Maybe it was using SystemTracer. For example, here is a 64 bits image: https://gforge.inria.fr/frs/download.php/26274/PharoCore64-1.1-11196-UNSTABLE.zip

Notice that when using VM + image in 64 bits right now, we are NOT taking advantage of all its 64 bits. I mean, you may be able to make it work out of the box in a 64 bits machine/OS but that doesn't mean that the VM + image is using really using the 64. Maybe 32 bits of them are zero ;)
Anyway, at some point in the future, we will have real 64 bits vm, a new object format/header, etc. But not sure it will be "soon".

Cheers

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Mariano Martinez Peck

Re: 64 bit

Sorry, maybe I was not clear enough. You DO NOT need to have a 64 bits image + VM to make it work in a 64 bits OS/Processor.
All you need is the 32 bits libraries of the OS.
Why do you want a 64 bits image?

On Thu, Sep 8, 2011 at 9:52 AM, Mariano Martinez Peck <[hidden email]> wrote:

On Wed, Sep 7, 2011 at 2:39 PM, Milan Mimica <[hidden email]> wrote:

Hello list!

I was wondering, are you going to provide a 64-bit OneClick package
any time soon? When and what does that depend on?

mmm not sure. Compile the VM in 64 bits is not that complicated. Problem is that some plugins do not work with 64 bits VM, like FFI.

If not, how do I go about building my own 64-bit image on linux?

I think we already tried. Maybe it was using SystemTracer. For example, here is a 64 bits image: https://gforge.inria.fr/frs/download.php/26274/PharoCore64-1.1-11196-UNSTABLE.zip

Notice that when using VM + image in 64 bits right now, we are NOT taking advantage of all its 64 bits. I mean, you may be able to make it work out of the box in a 64 bits machine/OS but that doesn't mean that the VM + image is using really using the 64. Maybe 32 bits of them are zero ;)
Anyway, at some point in the future, we will have real 64 bits vm, a new object format/header, etc. But not sure it will be "soon".

Cheers

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Mariano
http://marianopeck.wordpress.com

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mmimica

Re: 64 bit

On 8 September 2011 09:59, Mariano Martinez Peck <[hidden email]> wrote:
> All you need is the 32 bits libraries of the OS.
> Why do you want a 64 bits image?

Because I don't want to have 500MB of libs installed just for squeak.
My religion forbids me, so no point discussing that :P

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Mariano Martinez Peck

Re: 64 bit

On Thu, Sep 8, 2011 at 10:43 AM, Milan Mimica <[hidden email]> wrote:

On 8 September 2011 09:59, Mariano Martinez Peck <[hidden email]> wrote:
> All you need is the 32 bits libraries of the OS.
> Why do you want a 64 bits image?

Because I don't want to have 500MB of libs installed just for squeak.
My religion forbids me, so no point discussing that :P

What a bad religion. My two years old machine has 500GB HDD. I still don't know what to do with so much space.

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Igor Stasenko

Re: 64 bit

In reply to this post by mmimica

On 8 September 2011 11:43, Milan Mimica <[hidden email]> wrote:
> On 8 September 2011 09:59, Mariano Martinez Peck <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> All you need is the 32 bits libraries of the OS.
>> Why do you want a 64 bits image?
>
> Because I don't want to have 500MB of libs installed just for squeak.
> My religion forbids me, so no point discussing that :P
>
and my religion forbids me to use 64bit OS.
because i don't see what i cannot do with 32bit one :)

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> Milan Mimica
> http://sparklet.sf.net
>
>

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Toon Verwaest-2

Re: 64 bit

On 09/08/2011 11:15 AM, Igor Stasenko wrote:
> On 8 September 2011 11:43, Milan Mimica<[hidden email]> wrote:
>> On 8 September 2011 09:59, Mariano Martinez Peck<[hidden email]> wrote:
>>> All you need is the 32 bits libraries of the OS.
>>> Why do you want a 64 bits image?
>> Because I don't want to have 500MB of libs installed just for squeak.
>> My religion forbids me, so no point discussing that :P
>>
> and my religion forbids me to use 64bit OS.
> because i don't see what i cannot do with 32bit one :)
I guess if you were an OSX or Windows user you'd see quickly why you
need 64bit.

Oh and ... position independent code doesn't work in x86, just x86-64 ;)