7.0.2 and the font glitch - seems far worse than 7.0.1

> On 16 Mar 2019, at 00:04, Tim Mackinnon <[hidden email]> wrote:
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> Moving this to a new thread - to avoid historic confusion as I’m seeing a much clearer pattern now.
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> In 7.0.1 (osx - high Sierra - launcher), I was seeing the odd font glitch (where characters suddenly start glyphing in code and menus - see photos) and it seemed to be fixable by saving your image the first time (e.g. after 30+ mins you would see this in a new install). Once the image was saved, this seemed to stick and never be a problem.
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> In 7.0.2 this is now happening to me very 10-60 mins. The save fix still works - the moment you save the glyphs will all just disappear until it happens again.
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> Is anyone else getting this so easily in 7.0.2 (are others using 7.0.2). Has something changed in 7.0.2 that would cause this (the change list was quite small - however its noted the welcome screen is broken in this build too , so maybe that is related)?
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> My image is actually pretty small - just load Exercism , which relies on OSProcess, now Mocketry (with StateSpecs and Ghost) and in this occurrence I have also loaded Mirage (the lack of a decent keyboard window switcher was getting me down and mirage seems to nail that MRU style behaviour to switch between a test window and code window).
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> It could be one of these things is the culprit (potentially mirage - as that is the newest edition, so I will create a new image and leave it out) - but wondering if others are seeing this? Or possibly I’ve found the right combination that reliably triggers this annoying issue.
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> Tim
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> On 16 Mar 2019, at 08:25, Sven Van Caekenberghe <[hidden email]> wrote:
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> I am on the latest macOS, my 64-bit 7.0.2 image with lots of code (Bootstrap/Seaside/...) is running fine. I did not fiddle with the fonts, just switched to Dark look.
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> I avoid loading any packages that use native code, unless it is very well proven and/or part of the standard image (IceBerg for example).
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> I have none of the issues you describe.
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>> On 16 Mar 2019, at 00:04, Tim Mackinnon <[hidden email]> wrote:
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>> Moving this to a new thread - to avoid historic confusion as I’m seeing a much clearer pattern now.
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>> In 7.0.1 (osx - high Sierra - launcher), I was seeing the odd font glitch (where characters suddenly start glyphing in code and menus - see photos) and it seemed to be fixable by saving your image the first time (e.g. after 30+ mins you would see this in a new install). Once the image was saved, this seemed to stick and never be a problem.
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>> In 7.0.2 this is now happening to me very 10-60 mins. The save fix still works - the moment you save the glyphs will all just disappear until it happens again.
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>> Is anyone else getting this so easily in 7.0.2 (are others using 7.0.2). Has something changed in 7.0.2 that would cause this (the change list was quite small - however its noted the welcome screen is broken in this build too , so maybe that is related)?
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>> My image is actually pretty small - just load Exercism , which relies on OSProcess, now Mocketry (with StateSpecs and Ghost) and in this occurrence I have also loaded Mirage (the lack of a decent keyboard window switcher was getting me down and mirage seems to nail that MRU style behaviour to switch between a test window and code window).
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>> It could be one of these things is the culprit (potentially mirage - as that is the newest edition, so I will create a new image and leave it out) - but wondering if others are seeing this? Or possibly I’ve found the right combination that reliably triggers this annoying issue.
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>> Tim
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> On 16 Mar 2019, at 10:03, Hilaire <[hidden email]> wrote:
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> This problem also randomly shows up in Dr.Geo/Linux.
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> I think I saw it recently in DrGeo build with P7.0.1 or P7.0.2.
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> Tim, did you use an alternate true type font for your Pharo GUI?
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> Until know I though the issue was related to the FreeType plugin and the
> use of true type font in the UI.
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> Hilaire
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>> Le 16/03/2019 à 09:25, Sven Van Caekenberghe a écrit :
>> I am on the latest macOS, my 64-bit 7.0.2 image with lots of code (Bootstrap/Seaside/...) is running fine. I did not fiddle with the fonts, just switched to Dark look.
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>> I avoid loading any packages that use native code, unless it is very well proven and/or part of the standard image (IceBerg for example).
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>> I have none of the issues you describe.
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>> On 17 Mar 2019, at 10:18, Pierce Ng <[hidden email]> wrote:
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>> On Fri, Mar 15, 2019 at 11:04:35PM +0000, Tim Mackinnon wrote:
>> In 7.0.1 (osx - high Sierra - launcher), I was seeing the odd font
>> glitch (where characters suddenly start glyphing in code and menus -
>> see photos) and it seemed to be fixable by saving your image the first
>> time (e.g. after 30+ mins you would see this in a new install). Once
>> the image was saved, this seemed to stick and never be a problem.
>>
>> In 7.0.2 this is now happening to me very 10-60 mins. The save fix
>> still works - the moment you save the glyphs will all just disappear
>> until it happens again.
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> Worked on my Mojave Mac with fresh 7.0.2 images today. Saw the font
> glitch after a short while. I switched to native fonts and the glitch
> went away. I don't use Launcher.
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> Pierce
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> On 17 Mar 2019, at 10:43, Tim Mackinnon <[hidden email]> wrote:
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> Ah - I didn’t know about using “native fonts” - is that in settings?  I’ll check it out.
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> That said - if the image default is not to have that setting - we really need to understand and fix this as it’s mega confusing for new users when you don’t see what you typed or code suddenly changes in front of you.
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> So I will also eat the dog food and see if I can help diagnose this .
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> Tim
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>>> On 17 Mar 2019, at 10:18, Pierce Ng <[hidden email]> wrote:
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>>> On Fri, Mar 15, 2019 at 11:04:35PM +0000, Tim Mackinnon wrote:
>>> In 7.0.1 (osx - high Sierra - launcher), I was seeing the odd font
>>> glitch (where characters suddenly start glyphing in code and menus -
>>> see photos) and it seemed to be fixable by saving your image the first
>>> time (e.g. after 30+ mins you would see this in a new install). Once
>>> the image was saved, this seemed to stick and never be a problem.
>>>
>>> In 7.0.2 this is now happening to me very 10-60 mins. The save fix
>>> still works - the moment you save the glyphs will all just disappear
>>> until it happens again.
>>
>> Worked on my Mojave Mac with fresh 7.0.2 images today. Saw the font
>> glitch after a short while. I switched to native fonts and the glitch
>> went away. I don't use Launcher.
>>
>> Pierce
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