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Boris Popov, DeepCove Labs (SNN)

[7.7] Loading Aragon-Widgets causes dialog prompt

1. Start clean visual.im

2. Load StoreForPostgreSQL

3. Load Aragon-Widgets

4. Attached dialog pops up (Do you want to add Root.Smalltalk.EnhancedGroupBoxSpec to the previously unchanged package, System-Name Spaces? OK to continue?)

Note, this does not happen in clean visual.im without Store loaded.

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Samuel S. Shuster-2

Re: [7.7] Loading Aragon-Widgets causes dialog prompt

Boris:

> 1. Start clean visual.im
> 2. Load StoreForPostgreSQL
> 3. Load Aragon-Widgets
> 4. Attached dialog pops up (Do you want to add Root.Smalltalk.EnhancedGroupBoxSpec to the previously unchanged package, System-Name Spaces? OK to continue?)
>
> Note, this does not happen in clean visual.im without Store loaded.

This is expected behavior.

When Store is loaded, there is a setting on the "Default Package" setting page: "Warn before updating an unchanged package"

By default this is turned on. Turning this setting off will avoid this notice.

And So It Goes
Sames
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Boris Popov, DeepCove Labs (SNN)

Re: [7.7] Loading Aragon-Widgets causes dialog prompt

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Re: [vwnc] [7.7] Loading Aragon-Widgets causes dialog prompt

Is this a normal behaviour for a package like this though? I hadn't looked in depth at what it was trying to do the System-Namespaces, but it seemed to me like it shouldn't have been attempting to modify an existing package to start with?

-Boris (via BlackBerry)

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To: Boris Popov, DeepCove Labs (YVR)
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Subject: Re: [vwnc] [7.7] Loading Aragon-Widgets causes dialog prompt

Boris:

> 1. Start clean visual.im
> 2. Load StoreForPostgreSQL
> 3. Load Aragon-Widgets
> 4. Attached dialog pops up (Do you want to add Root.Smalltalk.EnhancedGroupBoxSpec to the previously unchanged package, System-Name Spaces? OK to continue?)
>
> Note, this does not happen in clean visual.im without Store loaded.

This is expected behavior.

When Store is loaded, there is a setting on the "Default Package" setting page: "Warn before updating an unchanged package"

By default this is turned on. Turning this setting off will avoid this notice.

And So It Goes
Sames
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VisualWorks Engineering, Store Project
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kobetic

Re: [7.7] Loading Aragon-Widgets causes dialog prompt

In reply to this post by Boris Popov, DeepCove Labs (SNN)

I suspect the package has an Undeclared. When something loads with an Undeclared the package where the Undeclared lands is the one that owns the Undeclared namespace, i.e. System-Namespaces. Arguably Undeclareds should be put into the package which caused it, but fixing that might require messing with the Compiler API. A less complicated solution might be to throw Undeclareds into (none).

"Boris Popov, DeepCove Labs (YVR)"<[hidden email]> wrote:

> Date: February 13, 2010 6:12:10 PM
> From: "Boris Popov, DeepCove Labs (YVR)"<[hidden email]>
> To: <[hidden email]>
> Cc: [hidden email]
> Subject: Re: [vwnc] [7.7] Loading Aragon-Widgets causes dialog prompt
>
> Is this a normal behaviour for a package like this though? I hadn't looked in depth at what it was trying to do the System-Namespaces, but it seemed to me like it shouldn't have been attempting to modify an existing package to start with?
>
> -Boris (via BlackBerry)
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Samuel S. Shuster <[hidden email]>
> To: Boris Popov, DeepCove Labs (YVR)
> Cc: [hidden email] <[hidden email]>
> Sent: Sat Feb 13 15:10:05 2010
> Subject: Re: [vwnc] [7.7] Loading Aragon-Widgets causes dialog prompt
>
> Boris:
>
> > 1. Start clean visual.im
> > 2. Load StoreForPostgreSQL
> > 3. Load Aragon-Widgets
> > 4. Attached dialog pops up (Do you want to add Root.Smalltalk.EnhancedGroupBoxSpec to the previously unchanged package, System-Name Spaces? OK to continue?)
> >
> > Note, this does not happen in clean visual.im without Store loaded.
>
> This is expected behavior.
>
> When Store is loaded, there is a setting on the "Default Package" setting page: "Warn before updating an unchanged package"
>
> By default this is turned on. Turning this setting off will avoid this notice.
>
> And So It Goes
> Sames
> ______________________________________________________________________
>
> Samuel S. Shuster [|]
> VisualWorks Engineering, Store Project
> Smalltalk Enables Success -- What Are YOU Using?
>
>
>
>
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Boris Popov, DeepCove Labs (SNN)

Re: [7.7] Loading Aragon-Widgets causes dialog prompt

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Re: [vwnc] [7.7] Loading Aragon-Widgets causes dialog prompt

Ah, that might be it. So any global undeclareds will end up in system-namespaces marking it dirty? I'll double check on Monday, but it'd be nice if they went elsewhere, like (none) or same package...

-Boris (via BlackBerry)

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Subject: Re: [vwnc] [7.7] Loading Aragon-Widgets causes dialog prompt

I suspect the package has an Undeclared. When something loads with an Undeclared the package where the Undeclared lands is the one that owns the Undeclared namespace, i.e. System-Namespaces. Arguably Undeclareds should be put into the package which caused it, but fixing that might require messing with the Compiler API. A less complicated solution might be to throw Undeclareds into (none).

"Boris Popov, DeepCove Labs (YVR)"<[hidden email]> wrote:
> Date: February 13, 2010 6:12:10 PM
> From: "Boris Popov, DeepCove Labs (YVR)"<[hidden email]>
> To: <[hidden email]>
> Cc: [hidden email]
> Subject: Re: [vwnc] [7.7] Loading Aragon-Widgets causes dialog prompt
>
> Is this a normal behaviour for a package like this though? I hadn't looked in depth at what it was trying to do the System-Namespaces, but it seemed to me like it shouldn't have been attempting to modify an existing package to start with?
>
> -Boris (via BlackBerry)
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Samuel S. Shuster <[hidden email]>
> To: Boris Popov, DeepCove Labs (YVR)
> Cc: [hidden email] <[hidden email]>
> Sent: Sat Feb 13 15:10:05 2010
> Subject: Re: [vwnc] [7.7] Loading Aragon-Widgets causes dialog prompt
>
> Boris:
>
> > 1. Start clean visual.im
> > 2. Load StoreForPostgreSQL
> > 3. Load Aragon-Widgets
> > 4. Attached dialog pops up (Do you want to add Root.Smalltalk.EnhancedGroupBoxSpec to the previously unchanged package, System-Name Spaces? OK to continue?)
> >
> > Note, this does not happen in clean visual.im without Store loaded.
>
> This is expected behavior.
>
> When Store is loaded, there is a setting on the "Default Package" setting page: "Warn before updating an unchanged package"
>
> By default this is turned on. Turning this setting off will avoid this notice.
>
> And So It Goes
> Sames
> ______________________________________________________________________
>
> Samuel S. Shuster [|]
> VisualWorks Engineering, Store Project
> Smalltalk Enables Success -- What Are YOU Using?
>
>
>
>
>
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Georg Heeg

Re: [7.7] Loading Aragon-Widgets causes dialog prompt

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Martin,

In my humble opinion Undeclareds are undeclared. That means their
definitions should never put into any package. They should just vanish when
they are not needed anymore. Additionally they should never resolve. Under
normal circumstances Undeclareds are temporal declarations until the
definition is loaded. Under abnormal circumstances Undeclareds are bugs.

The name space Undeclared is just a helper place to identify that two
different variables with the same name refer to the same binding. This was
necessary in the times before name spaces and References were introduced.

Georg

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> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] Im
> Auftrag von [hidden email]
> Gesendet: Sonntag, 14. Februar 2010 00:45
> An: Boris Popov, DeepCove Labs (YVR)
> Cc: [hidden email]; [hidden email]
> Betreff: Re: [vwnc] [7.7] Loading Aragon-Widgets causes dialog prompt
>
> I suspect the package has an Undeclared. When something loads with an
> Undeclared the package where the Undeclared lands is the one that owns the
> Undeclared namespace, i.e. System-Namespaces. Arguably Undeclareds
> should be put into the package which caused it, but fixing that might

require
> messing with the Compiler API. A less complicated solution might be to
throw

> Undeclareds into (none).
>
> "Boris Popov, DeepCove Labs (YVR)"<[hidden email]> wrote:
> > Date: February 13, 2010 6:12:10 PM
> > From: "Boris Popov, DeepCove Labs (YVR)"<[hidden email]>
> > To: <[hidden email]>
> > Cc: [hidden email]
> > Subject: Re: [vwnc] [7.7] Loading Aragon-Widgets causes dialog prompt
> >
> > Is this a normal behaviour for a package like this though? I hadn't

looked in

> depth at what it was trying to do the System-Namespaces, but it seemed to
> me like it shouldn't have been attempting to modify an existing package to
> start with?
> >
> > -Boris (via BlackBerry)
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Samuel S. Shuster <[hidden email]>
> > To: Boris Popov, DeepCove Labs (YVR)
> > Cc: [hidden email] <[hidden email]>
> > Sent: Sat Feb 13 15:10:05 2010
> > Subject: Re: [vwnc] [7.7] Loading Aragon-Widgets causes dialog prompt
> >
> > Boris:
> >
> > > 1. Start clean visual.im
> > > 2. Load StoreForPostgreSQL
> > > 3. Load Aragon-Widgets
> > > 4. Attached dialog pops up (Do you want to add
> > > Root.Smalltalk.EnhancedGroupBoxSpec to the previously unchanged
> > > package, System-Name Spaces? OK to continue?)
> > >
> > > Note, this does not happen in clean visual.im without Store loaded.
> >
> > This is expected behavior.
> >
> > When Store is loaded, there is a setting on the "Default Package"

setting
> page: "Warn before updating an unchanged package"
> >
> > By default this is turned on. Turning this setting off will avoid this
notice.

> >
> > And So It Goes
> > Sames
> >
> _______________________________________________________________
> _______
> >
> > Samuel S. Shuster [|]
> > VisualWorks Engineering, Store Project Smalltalk Enables Success --
> > What Are YOU Using?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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