7.9 - Cannot tenure object. Out of memory.
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7.9 - Cannot tenure object. Out of memory.
 
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Hello Group,
Migrating from 7.6 to 7.9.
Hitting this fairly often -- "Cannot tenure object. Out of memory." when loading our bigger root bundle(s). Just wondering if there is anything (general) in
7.9 in regard to memory configuration/gotchas?
Windows XP. This may well be just code issues we need to
resolve for migration, but just checking if anyone might have experience or
insight on it...
Thank you,
Gary P
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Re: 7.9 - Cannot tenure object. Out of memory.
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That will happen if you're truly running out of memory, so it could be
that you should increase the memory policy's upper memory bound. Look at doc/TechNotes/vwMemoryMgmt.pdf for more details. On 3/7/13 5:25 AM, Gary Peterson wrote: > Hello Group, > Migrating from 7.6 to 7.9. > Hitting this fairly often -- "Cannot tenure object. Out of memory." when > loading our bigger root bundle(s). > Just wondering if there is anything (general) in 7.9 in regard to memory > configuration/gotchas? > Windows XP. > This may well be just code issues we need to resolve for migration, but > just checking if anyone might have experience or insight on it... > Thank you, > Gary P vwnc mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.cs.uiuc.edu/mailman/listinfo/vwnc |
Re: 7.9 - Cannot tenure object. Out of memory.
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I doubt you could really hit the upper memory bound just loading code.
This is probably some infinite recursion caused by something in code in your bundle. We hit things like this when using Store shadow loading / atomic loading, which IIRC came somewhere in the 7.6-7.9 timeframe. Try turning off shadow/atomic loading: in 7.7.1 that's System | Settings | Store | Loading Policies, or Store.Pundle useShadowLoader: false. You can also force a particular package in the bundle to be installed immediately when loaded partway through the atomic load by giving it a package property with key #installBeforeContinuing. HTH, Steve > -----Original Message----- > From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On > Behalf Of Andres Valloud > Sent: Thursday, March 7, 2013 5:54 PM > To: [hidden email] > Subject: Re: [vwnc] 7.9 - Cannot tenure object. Out of memory. > > That will happen if you're truly running out of memory, so it could be > that you should increase the memory policy's upper memory bound. Look > at doc/TechNotes/vwMemoryMgmt.pdf for more details. > > On 3/7/13 5:25 AM, Gary Peterson wrote: > > Hello Group, > > Migrating from 7.6 to 7.9. > > Hitting this fairly often -- "Cannot tenure object. Out of memory." > when > > loading our bigger root bundle(s). > > Just wondering if there is anything (general) in 7.9 in regard to > memory > > configuration/gotchas? > > Windows XP. > > This may well be just code issues we need to resolve for migration, > but > > just checking if anyone might have experience or insight on it... > > Thank you, > > Gary P > _______________________________________________ > vwnc mailing list > [hidden email] > http://lists.cs.uiuc.edu/mailman/listinfo/vwnc _______________________________________________ vwnc mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.cs.uiuc.edu/mailman/listinfo/vwnc |
Re: 7.9 - Cannot tenure object. Out of memory.
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In reply to this post by Andres Valloud-6
I would also try turning off analysis loader, that caused us a lot of grief in the past with similar symptoms.
-Boris -----Original Message----- From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Steven Kelly Sent: Thursday, March 07, 2013 11:23 AM To: [hidden email] Subject: Re: [vwnc] 7.9 - Cannot tenure object. Out of memory. I doubt you could really hit the upper memory bound just loading code. This is probably some infinite recursion caused by something in code in your bundle. We hit things like this when using Store shadow loading / atomic loading, which IIRC came somewhere in the 7.6-7.9 timeframe. Try turning off shadow/atomic loading: in 7.7.1 that's System | Settings | Store | Loading Policies, or Store.Pundle useShadowLoader: false. You can also force a particular package in the bundle to be installed immediately when loaded partway through the atomic load by giving it a package property with key #installBeforeContinuing. HTH, Steve > -----Original Message----- > From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On > Behalf Of Andres Valloud > Sent: Thursday, March 7, 2013 5:54 PM > To: [hidden email] > Subject: Re: [vwnc] 7.9 - Cannot tenure object. Out of memory. > > That will happen if you're truly running out of memory, so it could be > that you should increase the memory policy's upper memory bound. Look > at doc/TechNotes/vwMemoryMgmt.pdf for more details. > > On 3/7/13 5:25 AM, Gary Peterson wrote: > > Hello Group, > > Migrating from 7.6 to 7.9. > > Hitting this fairly often -- "Cannot tenure object. Out of memory." > when > > loading our bigger root bundle(s). > > Just wondering if there is anything (general) in 7.9 in regard to > memory > > configuration/gotchas? > > Windows XP. > > This may well be just code issues we need to resolve for migration, > but > > just checking if anyone might have experience or insight on it... > > Thank you, > > Gary P > _______________________________________________ > vwnc mailing list > [hidden email] > http://lists.cs.uiuc.edu/mailman/listinfo/vwnc _______________________________________________ vwnc mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.cs.uiuc.edu/mailman/listinfo/vwnc _______________________________________________ vwnc mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.cs.uiuc.edu/mailman/listinfo/vwnc |
Re: 7.9 - Cannot tenure object. Out of memory.
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In reply to this post by Steven Kelly
Here's another option... run the assert VM with the -xq switch and, when
the VM exits, look at the file stack.txt and see if that has clues about what's going on. On 3/7/13 8:22 AM, Steven Kelly wrote: > I doubt you could really hit the upper memory bound just loading code. > This is probably some infinite recursion caused by something in code in > your bundle. We hit things like this when using Store shadow loading / > atomic loading, which IIRC came somewhere in the 7.6-7.9 timeframe. Try > turning off shadow/atomic loading: in 7.7.1 that's System | Settings | > Store | Loading Policies, or Store.Pundle useShadowLoader: false. You > can also force a particular package in the bundle to be installed > immediately when loaded partway through the atomic load by giving it a > package property with key #installBeforeContinuing. > > HTH, > Steve >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On >> Behalf Of Andres Valloud >> Sent: Thursday, March 7, 2013 5:54 PM >> To: [hidden email] >> Subject: Re: [vwnc] 7.9 - Cannot tenure object. Out of memory. >> >> That will happen if you're truly running out of memory, so it could be >> that you should increase the memory policy's upper memory bound. Look >> at doc/TechNotes/vwMemoryMgmt.pdf for more details. >> >> On 3/7/13 5:25 AM, Gary Peterson wrote: >>> Hello Group, >>> Migrating from 7.6 to 7.9. >>> Hitting this fairly often -- "Cannot tenure object. Out of memory." >> when >>> loading our bigger root bundle(s). >>> Just wondering if there is anything (general) in 7.9 in regard to >> memory >>> configuration/gotchas? >>> Windows XP. >>> This may well be just code issues we need to resolve for migration, >> but >>> just checking if anyone might have experience or insight on it... >>> Thank you, >>> Gary P >> _______________________________________________ >> vwnc mailing list >> [hidden email] >> http://lists.cs.uiuc.edu/mailman/listinfo/vwnc > > _______________________________________________ > vwnc mailing list > [hidden email] > http://lists.cs.uiuc.edu/mailman/listinfo/vwnc > vwnc mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.cs.uiuc.edu/mailman/listinfo/vwnc |
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In reply to this post by Boris Popov, DeepCove Labs (SNN)
In tests I ran on my last contract, using the analysis loader <doubled> the load time. If you have a large bundle, that could make things look like they have stalled out.
On the memory issue, I agree with Steve On Mar 7, 2013, at 11:25 AM, Boris Popov, DeepCove Labs wrote: > I would also try turning off analysis loader, that caused us a lot of grief in the past with similar symptoms. > > -Boris > > -----Original Message----- > From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Steven Kelly > Sent: Thursday, March 07, 2013 11:23 AM > To: [hidden email] > Subject: Re: [vwnc] 7.9 - Cannot tenure object. Out of memory. > > I doubt you could really hit the upper memory bound just loading code. > This is probably some infinite recursion caused by something in code in your bundle. We hit things like this when using Store shadow loading / atomic loading, which IIRC came somewhere in the 7.6-7.9 timeframe. Try turning off shadow/atomic loading: in 7.7.1 that's System | Settings | Store | Loading Policies, or Store.Pundle useShadowLoader: false. You can also force a particular package in the bundle to be installed immediately when loaded partway through the atomic load by giving it a package property with key #installBeforeContinuing. > > HTH, > Steve >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On >> Behalf Of Andres Valloud >> Sent: Thursday, March 7, 2013 5:54 PM >> To: [hidden email] >> Subject: Re: [vwnc] 7.9 - Cannot tenure object. Out of memory. >> >> That will happen if you're truly running out of memory, so it could be >> that you should increase the memory policy's upper memory bound. Look >> at doc/TechNotes/vwMemoryMgmt.pdf for more details. >> >> On 3/7/13 5:25 AM, Gary Peterson wrote: >>> Hello Group, >>> Migrating from 7.6 to 7.9. >>> Hitting this fairly often -- "Cannot tenure object. Out of memory." >> when >>> loading our bigger root bundle(s). >>> Just wondering if there is anything (general) in 7.9 in regard to >> memory >>> configuration/gotchas? >>> Windows XP. >>> This may well be just code issues we need to resolve for migration, >> but >>> just checking if anyone might have experience or insight on it... >>> Thank you, >>> Gary P >> _______________________________________________ >> vwnc mailing list >> [hidden email] >> http://lists.cs.uiuc.edu/mailman/listinfo/vwnc > > _______________________________________________ > vwnc mailing list > [hidden email] > http://lists.cs.uiuc.edu/mailman/listinfo/vwnc > > _______________________________________________ > vwnc mailing list > [hidden email] > http://lists.cs.uiuc.edu/mailman/listinfo/vwnc James Robertson http://www.jarober.com [hidden email] _______________________________________________ vwnc mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.cs.uiuc.edu/mailman/listinfo/vwnc |
Re: 7.9 - Cannot tenure object. Out of memory.
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That's much for all the sugs everyone....
These will help. Down to just a few remaining migration issues, we think. ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Robertson" <[hidden email]> To: "VWNC NC" <[hidden email]> Sent: Thursday, March 07, 2013 12:06 PM Subject: Re: [vwnc] 7.9 - Cannot tenure object. Out of memory. > In tests I ran on my last contract, using the analysis loader <doubled> > the load time. If you have a large bundle, that could make things look > like they have stalled out. > > On the memory issue, I agree with Steve > > On Mar 7, 2013, at 11:25 AM, Boris Popov, DeepCove Labs wrote: > >> I would also try turning off analysis loader, that caused us a lot of >> grief in the past with similar symptoms. >> >> -Boris >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On >> Behalf Of Steven Kelly >> Sent: Thursday, March 07, 2013 11:23 AM >> To: [hidden email] >> Subject: Re: [vwnc] 7.9 - Cannot tenure object. Out of memory. >> >> I doubt you could really hit the upper memory bound just loading code. >> This is probably some infinite recursion caused by something in code in >> your bundle. We hit things like this when using Store shadow loading / >> atomic loading, which IIRC came somewhere in the 7.6-7.9 timeframe. Try >> turning off shadow/atomic loading: in 7.7.1 that's System | Settings | >> Store | Loading Policies, or Store.Pundle useShadowLoader: false. You can >> also force a particular package in the bundle to be installed immediately >> when loaded partway through the atomic load by giving it a package >> property with key #installBeforeContinuing. >> >> HTH, >> Steve >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On >>> Behalf Of Andres Valloud >>> Sent: Thursday, March 7, 2013 5:54 PM >>> To: [hidden email] >>> Subject: Re: [vwnc] 7.9 - Cannot tenure object. Out of memory. >>> >>> That will happen if you're truly running out of memory, so it could be >>> that you should increase the memory policy's upper memory bound. Look >>> at doc/TechNotes/vwMemoryMgmt.pdf for more details. >>> >>> On 3/7/13 5:25 AM, Gary Peterson wrote: >>>> Hello Group, >>>> Migrating from 7.6 to 7.9. >>>> Hitting this fairly often -- "Cannot tenure object. Out of memory." >>> when >>>> loading our bigger root bundle(s). >>>> Just wondering if there is anything (general) in 7.9 in regard to >>> memory >>>> configuration/gotchas? >>>> Windows XP. >>>> This may well be just code issues we need to resolve for migration, >>> but >>>> just checking if anyone might have experience or insight on it... >>>> Thank you, >>>> Gary P >>> _______________________________________________ >>> vwnc mailing list >>> [hidden email] >>> http://lists.cs.uiuc.edu/mailman/listinfo/vwnc >> >> _______________________________________________ >> vwnc mailing list >> [hidden email] >> http://lists.cs.uiuc.edu/mailman/listinfo/vwnc >> >> _______________________________________________ >> vwnc mailing list >> [hidden email] >> http://lists.cs.uiuc.edu/mailman/listinfo/vwnc > > James Robertson > http://www.jarober.com > [hidden email] > > > > > _______________________________________________ > vwnc mailing list > [hidden email] > http://lists.cs.uiuc.edu/mailman/listinfo/vwnc _______________________________________________ vwnc mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.cs.uiuc.edu/mailman/listinfo/vwnc |
Re: 7.9 - Cannot tenure object. Out of memory.
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In reply to this post by Steven Kelly
Dear Steve,
>I doubt you could really hit the upper memory bound just loading code. > > Just FYI, the combination of atomic loading, Store's use of Glorp and suchlike changes to the loading process since 7.6, can change the memory usage behaviour during load of certain distributions of code. So, as regards your remark ... >This is probably some infinite recursion caused by something in code in > > ... I would not immediately confirm your 'probably'. If doubling or tripling the memory during load of a very large bundle, relative to what was sufficient for it in 7.6 or before, still shows OOM, then yes, it is indeed probable you have recursion. However if it loads in that case then it might be that switching off the AnalysisLoader, or non-atomically loading some packages that hold e.g. huge PDF documents in the form of enormous methods, or some other tweak, or just accepting a higher memory limit for your images during load, is the answer. HTH Niall Ross >your bundle. We hit things like this when using Store shadow loading / >atomic loading, which IIRC came somewhere in the 7.6-7.9 timeframe. Try >turning off shadow/atomic loading: in 7.7.1 that's System | Settings | >Store | Loading Policies, or Store.Pundle useShadowLoader: false. You >can also force a particular package in the bundle to be installed >immediately when loaded partway through the atomic load by giving it a >package property with key #installBeforeContinuing. > >HTH, >Steve > > >>-----Original Message----- >>From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On >>Behalf Of Andres Valloud >>Sent: Thursday, March 7, 2013 5:54 PM >>To: [hidden email] >>Subject: Re: [vwnc] 7.9 - Cannot tenure object. Out of memory. >> >>That will happen if you're truly running out of memory, so it could be >>that you should increase the memory policy's upper memory bound. Look >>at doc/TechNotes/vwMemoryMgmt.pdf for more details. >> >>On 3/7/13 5:25 AM, Gary Peterson wrote: >> >> >>>Hello Group, >>>Migrating from 7.6 to 7.9. >>>Hitting this fairly often -- "Cannot tenure object. Out of memory." >>> >>> >>when >> >> >>>loading our bigger root bundle(s). >>>Just wondering if there is anything (general) in 7.9 in regard to >>> >>> >>memory >> >> >>>configuration/gotchas? >>>Windows XP. >>>This may well be just code issues we need to resolve for migration, >>> >>> >>but >> >> >>>just checking if anyone might have experience or insight on it... >>>Thank you, >>>Gary P >>> >>> >>_______________________________________________ >>vwnc mailing list >>[hidden email] >>http://lists.cs.uiuc.edu/mailman/listinfo/vwnc >> >> > >_______________________________________________ >vwnc mailing list >[hidden email] >http://lists.cs.uiuc.edu/mailman/listinfo/vwnc > > > > _______________________________________________ vwnc mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.cs.uiuc.edu/mailman/listinfo/vwnc |
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