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A Client's VW taking up to 2 minutes to start each morning ...

Dennis smith-4
I have a client who's VW normally takes about 3 seconds to start and show
its first small window.

Running from Windows-XP SP2, VW 7.4

However, after being logged off for a time it takes about 2 minutes.
My first thoughts were
    - disks turned off
    - lots of other non-VW things running occupying memory
but this does not appear to be the case.

Here are some details
    - the saved image has a single minimized window
    - on startup the window shows in the task bar after a couple of seconds
    - I cannot interrupt during the 2 minutes of nothing happening,
cannot use
          ctrl/y, shift+ctrl/y or ctrl/\
    - I have an optional halt at the start of any of our code that
rungs, triggerred
          by holding SHIFT -- it kicks in AFTER the 2minutes

I cannot determine what is occurring if anything during that 2min period
-- anyone
have any thoughts on this??
   

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Dennis Smith                         +1 416.798.7948
Cherniak Software Development Corporation   Fax: +1 416.798.0948
509-2001 Sheppard Avenue East        [hidden email]
Toronto, ON M2J 4Z8              sip:[hidden email]
Canada         http://www.CherniakSoftware.com
Entrance off Yorkland Blvd south of Sheppard Ave east of the DVP

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RE: A Client's VW taking up to 2 minutes to start each morning ...

Steven Kelly
Use a debug VM and the -o10s VM parameter, or attach a debugger when starting?

One possibility is that the app has something which tries to initialize something network-related at startup, and that has problems with name resolution. We had a similar problem with VW SOAP earlier (although I didn't notice if the startup was quicker later in the day), but that was fixed in 7.3.1 (AR 48892: [core] consider lazy initialization of GenericProtocol class>>hostAddress).

HTH,
Steve

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dennis Smith [mailto:[hidden email]]
> Sent: 11. kesäkuuta 2007 14:04
> To: VWNC,
> Subject: A Client's VW taking up to 2 minutes to start each
> morning ...
>
>
> I have a client who's VW normally takes about 3 seconds to
> start and show its first small window.
>
> Running from Windows-XP SP2, VW 7.4
>
> However, after being logged off for a time it takes about 2
> minutes. My first thoughts were
>     - disks turned off
>     - lots of other non-VW things running occupying memory
> but this does not appear to be the case.
>
> Here are some details
>     - the saved image has a single minimized window
>     - on startup the window shows in the task bar after a
> couple of seconds
>     - I cannot interrupt during the 2 minutes of nothing happening,
> cannot use
>           ctrl/y, shift+ctrl/y or ctrl/\
>     - I have an optional halt at the start of any of our code that
> rungs, triggerred
>           by holding SHIFT -- it kicks in AFTER the 2minutes
>
> I cannot determine what is occurring if anything during that
> 2min period
> -- anyone
> have any thoughts on this??
>    
>
> --
> Dennis Smith                         +1 416.798.7948
> Cherniak Software Development Corporation   Fax: +1 416.798.0948
> 509-2001 Sheppard Avenue East        [hidden email]
> Toronto, ON M2J 4Z8              sip:[hidden email]
> Canada         http://www.CherniakSoftware.com
> Entrance off Yorkland Blvd south of Sheppard Ave east of the DVP
>
>

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Re: A Client's VW taking up to 2 minutes to start each morning ...

Ralf Propach
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Dennis Smith wrote:

> I have a client who's VW normally takes about 3 seconds to start and show
> its first small window.
>
> Running from Windows-XP SP2, VW 7.4
>
> However, after being logged off for a time it takes about 2 minutes.
> My first thoughts were
>    - disks turned off
>    - lots of other non-VW things running occupying memory
> but this does not appear to be the case.
>
> Here are some details
>    - the saved image has a single minimized window
>    - on startup the window shows in the task bar after a couple of seconds
>    - I cannot interrupt during the 2 minutes of nothing happening,
> cannot use
>          ctrl/y, shift+ctrl/y or ctrl/\
>    - I have an optional halt at the start of any of our code that rungs,
> triggerred
>          by holding SHIFT -- it kicks in AFTER the 2minutes
>
> I cannot determine what is occurring if anything during that 2min period
> -- anyone
> have any thoughts on this??
>  
If you start it with a debug VM with the -o10s option like this
bin\win\debug\vwnt -o10s image\visual.im
you get a list of all methods in the order they are processed by the JIT-compiler.
This way you can see when the two minutes of nothing happen.

HTH

Ralf Propach

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Re: A Client's VW taking up to 2 minutes to start each morning ...

Dennis smith-4
That worked nicely -- but there was so much happening that it all scrolled off the little window.
Is there a way to capture the text in a file???

Ralf Propach wrote:
Dennis Smith wrote:
  
I have a client who's VW normally takes about 3 seconds to start and show
its first small window.

Running from Windows-XP SP2, VW 7.4

However, after being logged off for a time it takes about 2 minutes.
My first thoughts were
   - disks turned off
   - lots of other non-VW things running occupying memory
but this does not appear to be the case.

Here are some details
   - the saved image has a single minimized window
   - on startup the window shows in the task bar after a couple of seconds
   - I cannot interrupt during the 2 minutes of nothing happening,
cannot use
         ctrl/y, shift+ctrl/y or ctrl/\
   - I have an optional halt at the start of any of our code that rungs,
triggerred
         by holding SHIFT -- it kicks in AFTER the 2minutes

I cannot determine what is occurring if anything during that 2min period
-- anyone
have any thoughts on this??
 
    
If you start it with a debug VM with the -o10s option like this
bin\win\debug\vwnt -o10s image\visual.im
you get a list of all methods in the order they are processed by the JIT-compiler.
This way you can see when the two minutes of nothing happen.

HTH

Ralf Propach

  

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Dennis Smith                 		         +1 416.798.7948
Cherniak Software Development Corporation   Fax: +1 416.798.0948
509-2001 Sheppard Avenue East        [hidden email]
Toronto, ON M2J 4Z8              [hidden email]
Canada			         http://www.CherniakSoftware.com
Entrance off Yorkland Blvd south of Sheppard Ave east of the DVP
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Re: A Client's VW taking up to 2 minutes to start each morning ...

Ralf Propach
Dennis Smith wrote:
> That worked nicely -- but there was so much happening that it all
> scrolled off the little window.
> Is there a way to capture the text in a file???
>
Use the console VM:

bin\win\debug\vwntconsole -o10s image\visual.im >log.txt

But this way you cannot see where in the list your two minute delay happens.

Ralf

>
>>>  
>>>    
>> If you start it with a debug VM with the -o10s option like this
>> bin\win\debug\vwnt -o10s image\visual.im
>> you get a list of all methods in the order they are processed by the
>> JIT-compiler.
>> This way you can see when the two minutes of nothing happen.
>>
>> HTH
>>
>> Ralf Propach
>>
>>  
>


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Re: A Client's VW taking up to 2 minutes to start each morning ...

Dennis smith-4


Ralf Propach wrote:
Dennis Smith wrote:
  
That worked nicely -- but there was so much happening that it all
scrolled off the little window.
Is there a way to capture the text in a file???

    
Use the console VM:

bin\win\debug\vwntconsole -o10s image\visual.im >log.txt

But this way you cannot see where in the list your two minute delay happens.
  
Sounds good -- I can combine the two, figure out where, and then get the file to browse through later.
Thanks -- this will take me a day since the user seems to want to work during the day :)
Ralf
  
 
    
        
If you start it with a debug VM with the -o10s option like this
bin\win\debug\vwnt -o10s image\visual.im
you get a list of all methods in the order they are processed by the
JIT-compiler.
This way you can see when the two minutes of nothing happen.

HTH

Ralf Propach

  
      


  

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Dennis Smith                 		         +1 416.798.7948
Cherniak Software Development Corporation   Fax: +1 416.798.0948
509-2001 Sheppard Avenue East        [hidden email]
Toronto, ON M2J 4Z8              [hidden email]
Canada			         http://www.CherniakSoftware.com
Entrance off Yorkland Blvd south of Sheppard Ave east of the DVP
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Re: A Client's VW taking up to 2 minutes to start each morning ...

Boris Popov, DeepCove Labs (SNN)
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Re: A Client's VW taking up to 2 minutes to start each morning ...

Dennis,

I believe 7.4 was still subject to the problem with internationalization that was fixed since, where if user has more than a single language of input installed (say, English and Russian, which was the case for me) then starting VW for the first time would appear to freeze it for a minute or two. See if that's the case please, very easy to verify, as soon as you delete other languages and leave only English in there, it should start up okay. Of course this may not apply here, but worth a shot.

Cheers!

-Boris
(Sent from a BlackBerry)

----- Original Message -----
From: Dennis Smith <[hidden email]>
To: VWNC,  <[hidden email]>
Sent: Mon Jun 11 04:03:48 2007
Subject: A Client's VW taking up to 2 minutes to start each morning ...

I have a client who's VW normally takes about 3 seconds to start and show
its first small window.

Running from Windows-XP SP2, VW 7.4

However, after being logged off for a time it takes about 2 minutes.
My first thoughts were
    - disks turned off
    - lots of other non-VW things running occupying memory
but this does not appear to be the case.

Here are some details
    - the saved image has a single minimized window
    - on startup the window shows in the task bar after a couple of seconds
    - I cannot interrupt during the 2 minutes of nothing happening,
cannot use
          ctrl/y, shift+ctrl/y or ctrl/\
    - I have an optional halt at the start of any of our code that
rungs, triggerred
          by holding SHIFT -- it kicks in AFTER the 2minutes

I cannot determine what is occurring if anything during that 2min period
-- anyone
have any thoughts on this??
  

--
Dennis Smith                                     +1 416.798.7948
Cherniak Software Development Corporation   Fax: +1 416.798.0948
509-2001 Sheppard Avenue East        [hidden email]
Toronto, ON M2J 4Z8              sip:[hidden email]
Canada                           http://www.CherniakSoftware.com
Entrance off Yorkland Blvd south of Sheppard Ave east of the DVP

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Re: A Client's VW taking up to 2 minutes to start each morning ...

Dennis smith-4


Boris Popov wrote:
Re: A Client's VW taking up to 2 minutes to start each morning ...

Dennis,

I believe 7.4 was still subject to the problem with internationalization that was fixed since, where if user has more than a single language of input installed (say, English and Russian, which was the case for me) then starting VW for the first time would appear to freeze it for a minute or two. See if that's the case please, very easy to verify, as soon as you delete other languages and leave only English in there, it should start up okay. Of course this may not apply here, but worth a shot.

Hey -- that one sounds interesting --- I will check as soon as I can get access and report back -- thanks!


Cheers!

-Boris
(Sent from a BlackBerry)

----- Original Message -----
From: Dennis Smith [hidden email]
To: VWNC,  [hidden email]
Sent: Mon Jun 11 04:03:48 2007
Subject: A Client's VW taking up to 2 minutes to start each morning ...

I have a client who's VW normally takes about 3 seconds to start and show
its first small window.

Running from Windows-XP SP2, VW 7.4

However, after being logged off for a time it takes about 2 minutes.
My first thoughts were
    - disks turned off
    - lots of other non-VW things running occupying memory
but this does not appear to be the case.

Here are some details
    - the saved image has a single minimized window
    - on startup the window shows in the task bar after a couple of seconds
    - I cannot interrupt during the 2 minutes of nothing happening,
cannot use
          ctrl/y, shift+ctrl/y or ctrl/\
    - I have an optional halt at the start of any of our code that
rungs, triggerred
          by holding SHIFT -- it kicks in AFTER the 2minutes

I cannot determine what is occurring if anything during that 2min period
-- anyone
have any thoughts on this??
  

--
Dennis Smith                                     +1 416.798.7948
Cherniak Software Development Corporation   Fax: +1 416.798.0948
509-2001 Sheppard Avenue East        [hidden email]
Toronto, ON M2J 4Z8              <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="sip:dennis@CherniakSoftware.com">sip:dennis@...
Canada                           http://www.CherniakSoftware.com
Entrance off Yorkland Blvd south of Sheppard Ave east of the DVP


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Dennis Smith                 		         +1 416.798.7948
Cherniak Software Development Corporation   Fax: +1 416.798.0948
509-2001 Sheppard Avenue East        [hidden email]
Toronto, ON M2J 4Z8              <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="sip:dennis@CherniakSoftware.com">sip:dennis@...
Canada			         http://www.CherniakSoftware.com
Entrance off Yorkland Blvd south of Sheppard Ave east of the DVP
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RE: A Client's VW taking up to 2 minutes to start each morning ...

Steven Kelly
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Click the icon at the top left of the command prompt window, and set the Properties | Layout | Screen Buffer size height to 1000. You can choose whether this change is global for all command prompts, or only for prompts running the same command - either should work. Next time you run the test, you'll be able to scroll back.
 
Steve
-----Original Message-----
From: Dennis Smith [mailto:[hidden email]]
Sent: 11. kesäkuuta 2007 15:12
To: vwnc >> "VWNC, "
Subject: Re: A Client's VW taking up to 2 minutes to start each morning ...

That worked nicely -- but there was so much happening that it all scrolled off the little window.
Is there a way to capture the text in a file???

Ralf Propach wrote:
Dennis Smith wrote:
  
I have a client who's VW normally takes about 3 seconds to start and show
its first small window.

Running from Windows-XP SP2, VW 7.4

However, after being logged off for a time it takes about 2 minutes.
My first thoughts were
   - disks turned off
   - lots of other non-VW things running occupying memory
but this does not appear to be the case.

Here are some details
   - the saved image has a single minimized window
   - on startup the window shows in the task bar after a couple of seconds
   - I cannot interrupt during the 2 minutes of nothing happening,
cannot use
         ctrl/y, shift+ctrl/y or ctrl/\
   - I have an optional halt at the start of any of our code that rungs,
triggerred
         by holding SHIFT -- it kicks in AFTER the 2minutes

I cannot determine what is occurring if anything during that 2min period
-- anyone
have any thoughts on this??
 
    
If you start it with a debug VM with the -o10s option like this
bin\win\debug\vwnt -o10s image\visual.im
you get a list of all methods in the order they are processed by the JIT-compiler.
This way you can see when the two minutes of nothing happen.

HTH

Ralf Propach

  

-- 
Dennis Smith                 		         +1 416.798.7948
Cherniak Software Development Corporation   Fax: +1 416.798.0948
509-2001 Sheppard Avenue East        [hidden email]
Toronto, ON M2J 4Z8              [hidden email]
Canada			         http://www.CherniakSoftware.com
Entrance off Yorkland Blvd south of Sheppard Ave east of the DVP