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A Seaside beginner stumbling along

Jens Pall
Hi

I've been trying to follow the tutorials I have found (David Shaffer,
Ramon Leon, Lukas Renggli, etc) on the net about how to use Seaside. The
problem is I kind of stumble along and then just give up since the
version of Seaside I have (the most recent one downloaded through
SqueakMap) doesn't seem to match the ones used in any of the tutorials.
Is there a current tutorial available or more up-to-date documentation
or do I have to dig into the source and try to figure out how things
work from there?

Thanks,
JP
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Re: A Seaside beginner stumbling along

Chris Cunnington-5
On 1/11/07 2:22 PM, "Jens Pall" <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Hi
>
> I've been trying to follow the tutorials I have found (David Shaffer,
> Ramon Leon, Lukas Renggli, etc) on the net about how to use Seaside. The
> problem is I kind of stumble along and then just give up since the
> version of Seaside I have (the most recent one downloaded through
> SqueakMap) doesn't seem to match the ones used in any of the tutorials.
> Is there a current tutorial available or more up-to-date documentation
> or do I have to dig into the source and try to figure out how things
> work from there?
>
> Thanks,
> JP
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Try two things. Go to YouTube or Google Video and try a movie called "Web
Pages With Smalltalk Language 1". It's only the very beginning, but hey,
it's a start. Then try the blog in the documentation section of Seaside
Parasol. http://www.seasideparasol.com It has screen shots and can take you
through Hello World.

Chris Cunnington
Toronto

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Re: A Seaside beginner stumbling along

Lukas Renggli
> > I've been trying to follow the tutorials I have found (David Shaffer,
> > Ramon Leon, Lukas Renggli, etc) on the net about how to use Seaside. The
> > problem is I kind of stumble along and then just give up since the
> > version of Seaside I have (the most recent one downloaded through
> > SqueakMap) doesn't seem to match the ones used in any of the tutorials.

My tutorial works nicely with the latest version of Seaside-2.7a from
SqueakSource. You can also get this version of Seaside by loading
'Seaside Installer' on SqueakMap (I don't know if you did this or if
you did it manually).

Of course my tutorial is sub-optimal, as it is designed as a 2 days
workshop with lectures and exercises. However I do know of a couple of
people that managed to manage it all alone. Of course the mailing-list
is open to answer questions ... ;-)

Cheers,
Lukas

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Re: A Seaside beginner stumbling along

Jens Pall
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Chris Cunnington wrote:

> On 1/11/07 2:22 PM, "Jens Pall" <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>  
>> Hi
>>
>> I've been trying to follow the tutorials I have found (David Shaffer,
>> Ramon Leon, Lukas Renggli, etc) on the net about how to use Seaside. The
>> problem is I kind of stumble along and then just give up since the
>> version of Seaside I have (the most recent one downloaded through
>> SqueakMap) doesn't seem to match the ones used in any of the tutorials.
>> Is there a current tutorial available or more up-to-date documentation
>> or do I have to dig into the source and try to figure out how things
>> work from there?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> JP
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>> http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside
>>
>>    
>
> Try two things. Go to YouTube or Google Video and try a movie called "Web
> Pages With Smalltalk Language 1". It's only the very beginning, but hey,
> it's a start. Then try the blog in the documentation section of Seaside
> Parasol. http://www.seasideparasol.com It has screen shots and can take you
> through Hello World.
>
> Chris Cunnington
> Toronto
>
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>
>  
The blog looks interesting. Thanks Chris.

JP
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Re: A Seaside beginner stumbling along

Jens Pall
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Lukas Renggli wrote:

>> > I've been trying to follow the tutorials I have found (David Shaffer,
>> > Ramon Leon, Lukas Renggli, etc) on the net about how to use
>> Seaside. The
>> > problem is I kind of stumble along and then just give up since the
>> > version of Seaside I have (the most recent one downloaded through
>> > SqueakMap) doesn't seem to match the ones used in any of the
>> tutorials.
>
> My tutorial works nicely with the latest version of Seaside-2.7a from
> SqueakSource. You can also get this version of Seaside by loading
> 'Seaside Installer' on SqueakMap (I don't know if you did this or if
> you did it manually).
>
> Of course my tutorial is sub-optimal, as it is designed as a 2 days
> workshop with lectures and exercises. However I do know of a couple of
> people that managed to manage it all alone. Of course the mailing-list
> is open to answer questions ... ;-)
>
> Cheers,
> Lukas
>
I took another look at your tutorial and please accept my sincere
apologies for stating that it did not work. It's working fine (mostly)
and it makes much more sense to me now than when I first read it. I am
unable, though, to get the isolate: message to work in the guessing
game. Using Firefox on windows I can happily use the back button when I
have guessed the number correctly. Shouldn't isolate: prevent this?

JP
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Re: A Seaside beginner stumbling along

Lukas Renggli
> I took another look at your tutorial and please accept my sincere
> apologies for stating that it did not work. It's working fine (mostly)
> and it makes much more sense to me now than when I first read it. I am
> unable, though, to get the isolate: message to work in the guessing
> game. Using Firefox on windows I can happily use the back button when I
> have guessed the number correctly. Shouldn't isolate: prevent this?

Yes, sure this is coming from the cache, Seaside cannot do anything
about this. But can you go back in time (with the back button) and
guess the number right from the first place? Seaside can only
intervent if you send a new request ...

Cheers,
Lukas

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Re: A Seaside beginner stumbling along

Jens Pall
Lukas Renggli wrote:

>> I took another look at your tutorial and please accept my sincere
>> apologies for stating that it did not work. It's working fine (mostly)
>> and it makes much more sense to me now than when I first read it. I am
>> unable, though, to get the isolate: message to work in the guessing
>> game. Using Firefox on windows I can happily use the back button when I
>> have guessed the number correctly. Shouldn't isolate: prevent this?
>
> Yes, sure this is coming from the cache, Seaside cannot do anything
> about this. But can you go back in time (with the back button) and
> guess the number right from the first place? Seaside can only
> intervent if you send a new request ...
>
> Cheers,
> Lukas
>

Ah, I see. I tried entering the correct number after backtracking and I
got the first 'I'm thinking...' response. Nice.

JP
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