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Am 20.02.2012 23:21 schrieb "Frank Shearar" <[hidden email]>: > > Thank you, indirectly admitting, that there must be such a tool. ;-) Any Entscheidungsproblem *is* a permutation problem, of course! Again, ensure quality! I don't want no more errors! Especially when i simply click menus, and also when a image is simply stripped and obviously a package missing! Don't argue, develop the development process!!! Again! Don't type in nothing, that *is* not tested. If you remove code, write a tool, that ensures, that it can be removed without running into troubles!!! Tnx 4 understanding, Guido Stepken |
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Le 20 février 2012 23:06, Guido Stepken <[hidden email]> a écrit :
> Am 20.02.2012 21:30, schrieb Nicolas Cellier: > >> What, what, the right development process wouldn't solve such a >> trivial problem ? >> Guido, try to inspect yourself with all your introspection tools and >> development process know how, because I have the feeling that despite >> the many answers you got, you still face a message not understood >> problem ;) >> >> Nicolas > > > Nicolas, i *know*, there must be a solution! Cannot be, that i klick into a > menu and *directly* run into error messages. > > Think! > > Develop the development process! Don't argue! > > tnx, Guido Stepken > Guido, you take a bug in a hacked Cuis image to demonstrate that Pharo development process is wrong... So how could I possibly argue if you don't use logic. That's a pity, because for once we had something pretty close to a true bug report... but the bug doesn't even show in a Cuis image, I just took my not so precious time to check. That doesn't matter because I have no doubt that you are not interested at all in bug reporting/fixing. When I unwind your long stack of message sends, I see the same good political slogan, develop the development process. Well very nice, you found yourself initiated with higher level functions, but beware, in Haskell like in Guido, there is no way to detect an infinite recursion, even if we seriously suspect one. Nicolas |
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Nicolas, i *only* complain *systematic* bugs, that *can* be avoided! See the difference to *occationally occurring* bugs!!!! tnx 4 understanding, Guido Stepken |
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On 20 February 2012 23:55, Nicolas Cellier
<[hidden email]> wrote: > Le 20 février 2012 23:06, Guido Stepken <[hidden email]> a écrit : >> Am 20.02.2012 21:30, schrieb Nicolas Cellier: >> >>> What, what, the right development process wouldn't solve such a >>> trivial problem ? >>> Guido, try to inspect yourself with all your introspection tools and >>> development process know how, because I have the feeling that despite >>> the many answers you got, you still face a message not understood >>> problem ;) >>> >>> Nicolas >> >> >> Nicolas, i *know*, there must be a solution! Cannot be, that i klick into a >> menu and *directly* run into error messages. >> >> Think! >> >> Develop the development process! Don't argue! >> >> tnx, Guido Stepken >> > > Guido, you take a bug in a hacked Cuis image to demonstrate that Pharo > development process is wrong... > So how could I possibly argue if you don't use logic. Because it is much easier to keep saying "you're wrong/you doing it wrong" than do anything towards fixing it by yourself. > > That's a pity, because for once we had something pretty close to a > true bug report... > but the bug doesn't even show in a Cuis image, I just took my not so > precious time to check. > > That doesn't matter because I have no doubt that you are not > interested at all in bug reporting/fixing. > When I unwind your long stack of message sends, I see the same good > political slogan, develop the development process. > Well very nice, you found yourself initiated with higher level > functions, but beware, in Haskell like in Guido, there is no way to > detect an infinite recursion, even if we seriously suspect one. > Can't wait till Guido will start learning quantum mechanics. I can hear his "you doing it wrong" echoing from future :) > Nicolas > -- Best regards, Igor Stasenko. |
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I predicted it! You want me as experienced software architect and project manager predict more about Pharo's future (or doom), or are you willing to listen and learn? You will debug Pharo/Squeak until your 90 years old, because you (the Pharo team) is not able to address bugs systematically. This is fact! Look e.g. at LUAJit. Stable, used by estimated 10 mio users of WORLD OF WARCRAFT, Wikipedia, portable, rockstable. Pharo???? Unstable, nobody uses it, academic brainfuck. And Dr. Geo will soon be implemented in JavaScript, i think, the better solution, other apps will disappear soon, like CMSBOX, ... doom! My prediction, if you don't develop the development process any further!!! tnx 4 understanding, Guido Stepken Am 21.02.2012 01:10 schrieb "Igor Stasenko" <[hidden email]>:
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Am 20.02.2012 11:21 schrieb "Edgar J. De Cleene" <[hidden email]>: For the inperienced: Could you please explain, howto activate the wiki on Port 8086 and explain, what it maybe useful for? tnx in advance, Guido Stepken |
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On 2/20/12 10:58 PM, "Guido Stepken" <[hidden email]> wrote: > For the inperienced: Could you please explain, howto activate the wiki on Port > 8086 and explain, what it maybe useful for? > > tnx in advance, Guido Stepken We have a group in http://ar.groups.yahoo.com/group/squeakRos/ which pretend to be a virtual Bar and Café where nobody rules and all could talk about all. We exchange war tales, recipes, complain about bad government, etc. And off course talk about Squeak , Pharo, etc. I have a modest LAN with assorted old and new computers , which use for all kind of experiments. So the entry gate is www.squeakros.org, witch redirects to here. If in www.squeakros.org you do not see the yellow and blue counter (which is a old LedMorph rendered to page) means no computer here is on. All is experimental .... The links in green should work (mostly) The :8086 port connect you with a Cuis3.1r.11.image This image runs a fake swiki where I put all related to Cuis and HVNaughtieWiki. As you know, the original swiki is Squeak 3.7 and I do not know of any more modern. So I decide make a HV2 enhanced version of it, download the real http://wiki.squeak.org/squeak files and make objects of any .html The downloaded was 103 Mb. The first .obj was 24 Mb. And now is 13 Mb. In the :8085 you could see the fake Squeak swiki which I synchronize not to often, The .image which runs is modified Squeak 4.3 So for what I use the wiki ? For lousy in house Spanish documentation about things I made. For learn how to made the swiki. For learn how the almost same code runs in Squeak, Pharo, Cuis and derivates of each For learn how the .obj could be exchanged between all I hope this explain all and you was welcomed in SqueakRos. Also I could send a user / password and you could make your own lousy docs. Cheers Edgar |
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On 21 February 2012 02:40, Guido Stepken <[hidden email]> wrote:
> I predicted it! > Predicted what? That you will repeat same things which you said half year ago? Again, Guido, why you think you are the only one who knows about issues on which you constantly pointing out? I knew about this stuff long ago (in 2007), when i first met squeak. Pharo didn't even existed at that time. Now you think that all bad things are magically disappear/get fixed once magnificient Guido will point on them? I don't want to disappoint you, but some things on the landscape tend to change slower than you expect. > http://forum.world.st/Hanging-connects-exhausted-resources-memory-leaks-bocked-everything-Unusable-td3669616.html > > You want me as experienced software architect and project manager predict > more about Pharo's future (or doom), or are you willing to listen and learn? > > You will debug Pharo/Squeak until your 90 years old, because you (the Pharo > team) is not able to address bugs systematically. This is fact! > > Look e.g. at LUAJit. Stable, used by estimated 10 mio users of WORLD OF > WARCRAFT, Wikipedia, portable, rockstable. > > Pharo???? Unstable, nobody uses it, academic brainfuck. And Dr. Geo will > soon be implemented in JavaScript, i think, the better solution, other apps > will disappear soon, like CMSBOX, ... doom! > > My prediction, if you don't develop the development process any further!!! > > tnx 4 understanding, > > Guido Stepken > > Am 21.02.2012 01:10 schrieb "Igor Stasenko" <[hidden email]>: > >> On 20 February 2012 23:55, Nicolas Cellier >> <[hidden email]> wrote: >> > Le 20 février 2012 23:06, Guido Stepken <[hidden email]> a >> > écrit : >> >> Am 20.02.2012 21:30, schrieb Nicolas Cellier: >> >> >> >>> What, what, the right development process wouldn't solve such a >> >>> trivial problem ? >> >>> Guido, try to inspect yourself with all your introspection tools and >> >>> development process know how, because I have the feeling that despite >> >>> the many answers you got, you still face a message not understood >> >>> problem ;) >> >>> >> >>> Nicolas >> >> >> >> >> >> Nicolas, i *know*, there must be a solution! Cannot be, that i klick >> >> into a >> >> menu and *directly* run into error messages. >> >> >> >> Think! >> >> >> >> Develop the development process! Don't argue! >> >> >> >> tnx, Guido Stepken >> >> >> > >> > Guido, you take a bug in a hacked Cuis image to demonstrate that Pharo >> > development process is wrong... >> > So how could I possibly argue if you don't use logic. >> >> Because it is much easier to keep saying "you're wrong/you doing it wrong" >> than do anything towards fixing it by yourself. >> >> > >> > That's a pity, because for once we had something pretty close to a >> > true bug report... >> > but the bug doesn't even show in a Cuis image, I just took my not so >> > precious time to check. >> > >> > That doesn't matter because I have no doubt that you are not >> > interested at all in bug reporting/fixing. >> > When I unwind your long stack of message sends, I see the same good >> > political slogan, develop the development process. >> > Well very nice, you found yourself initiated with higher level >> > functions, but beware, in Haskell like in Guido, there is no way to >> > detect an infinite recursion, even if we seriously suspect one. >> > >> >> Can't wait till Guido will start learning quantum mechanics. >> I can hear his "you doing it wrong" echoing from future :) >> >> > Nicolas >> > >> >> >> >> -- >> Best regards, >> Igor Stasenko. >> > -- Best regards, Igor Stasenko. |
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The 22.02.2012 00:05 schrieb "Igor Stasenko" <[hidden email][hidden email][hidden email]>: Your right, i was reporting facts, some people denied or couldn't understand my input. > That you will repeat same things which you said half year ago? I gave some input, that absolutely did not fit into the secret plans of the Pharo initiators, going business (shareholders) with Pharo (Ducasse, Denker, Wysseier, Lienhard et. al) That perfectly fits to their behaviour. > Again, Guido, why you think you are the only one who knows about No. So if everybody *knows*, why some people are calling me a Troll??? > I knew about this stuff long ago (in 2007), when i first met squeak. I am a process wizard, i am *very* interested in seeing Pharo becoming a *very successfull* product! :-) Have fun! Guido Stepken |
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