A keyboard controlled code editor, how difficult would that be?

On Mon, Sep 21, 2015 at 9:32 PM, Peter Uhnák <[hidden email]> wrote:

On Mon, Sep 21, 2015 at 9:05 PM, Andrew Glynn <[hidden email]> wrote:
> I'm not sure that those developers will ever be happy with Smallltalk.
> Unless you can do everything in VI and compile on the command line, they
> feel there's something wrong.

Perhaps you need to widen your perspective.
Just because there are fundamentalists on one side doesn't mean that
you have to became fundamentalist on the other side to balance it
out...

Pharo is full of shortcuts, because they are very useful. (And if you
are not using them you are only hurting yourself.)
The point is not to take everything to extreme, but to see what's
valuable and explore.

The main issue is that the shortcuts aren't consistent across platforms (or sometimes just conflict or do not work).

Like in Pharo 5/Windows, some things are okay with Ctl-key, and not Alt-key (they were in the past). And some Alt-key works in specific contexts.

Or in Linux, some things are giving problems.

I like the new $r command | $r control | ... scheme. Much cleaner. What is not nice is that GTInspector isn't picking up the new combos as it displays the KM class and not the shortcut.

Back to keyboard, the TilingWindowManager (working back on that atm) has potential.

I am a vim and tmux user, and Ctl-W hjkl is really useful, as is Ctl-PgUp/PgDown, Or Ctl-z etc.

One of the features I am going to add is that Ctl-W hjkl window selection as it is too good to pass.

I am mousing a lot in Pharo (even if I know about the shortcuts). It is nice to be able to search around by point and click.

Now, we need to rationalize some wordings, especially "Users of X", "References to X". Confuses people.

With such keyboard movements, the desktop manager, a good TWM, and spotter, that's a great thing. Playground needs to be integrated closer with spotter. I want to launch a playground from there, using what I typed as a command (yes, I know there were discussions for/against that one. Still, I find myself retyping into Playground what  typed into Spotter. Frustrating.)

There is a lot of power in Pharo keybindings, we need to streamline this. What an awesome tool we have here!

Excited by Pharo more than ever.

Phil

 

Peter

This is great, I'm really enjoying it!

Understanding behavior spread across several methods can now be done trivially at a glance instead of remembering everything, making paper notes, and slouching through billion browsers.

Also I can finally see long methods at once. :p

Couple notes:

1. The theme is not respected. (Also it's 2:15 AM here ;)

2. When method is reformatted, or code added the height doesn't change -- I would expect it to adapt automatically

And as I've mentioned originally, it would be great to further encourage exploration.

Currently when I want to add a new card from method I do "select code" -> "browse senders/implementors" -> "select what I want" -> "browse" -> "drag".

It would be great if I could drag directly from the Message Browser (or even add it via shortcut from Message Browser).

Thanks!!

Peter

On Mon, Sep 21, 2015 at 11:52 PM, Stephan Eggermont <[hidden email]> wrote:

On 21-09-15 21:25, Peter Uhnák wrote:

This is really cool. Because even on my 24" screen I can comfortably
have only couple (4) of system browser opened at once (and I am
interested only in the method).

The code card trick with expanded and compact view could easily be integrated in Nautilus.

It would be interesting to integrate it with MessageBrowser and
Spotter, so I could (with shift+enter or something) open your card
instead of Nautilus.
For example I have scoped view of my package and I ctrl+b+n on a
selector and it opens cards with the senders.

I'll need to think through the navigation one might want,i.e.
>From the navigation point of a card (esc  out of editing),
- create a new card
- replace the current card
- delete the current card

When creating or replacing
- use spotter
- new package, class, or method
- senders or implementers
- playground

etc.

Stephan

On Mon, Sep 28, 2015 at 4:25 PM, Offray Vladimir Luna Cárdenas <[hidden email]> wrote:

Peter, Could you share a link to a bigger screenshot of your workflow with code cards? Just curious about this feature.

Hmm, what email client are you using? Because the image was not resized.

world.st shows the image downscaled http://forum.world.st/A-keyboard-controlled-code-editor-how-difficult-would-that-be-td4851368.html

but if you right-click and "open image in new tab" it is in original size,

the same for the actual record in the mailing list http://lists.pharo.org/pipermail/pharo-users_lists.pharo.org/2015-September/021775.html

at the end of the email there are links to attachments http://lists.pharo.org/pipermail/pharo-users_lists.pharo.org/attachments/20150922/96271b9b/attachment-0001.png

And finally gmail shows the image also downscaled, but I can simply click on it to show it enlarged.

So if you see the image small, blame your mail client. :) (and click the link above)

Peter