[ANN] Example MacOS X Development

> Hi all,
>
> Mac developers might be interested to have a look and give some feedback.
>
> We recently released a native Aqua application. If anyone is curious
> how it looks, feels, performs and sounds: A free demo is available for
> download. It runs on Tiger (10.4) and Leopard (10.5) as a universal
> binary. The product might be an example of what can be done with VW in
> the realms of desktop software on native MacOS X, if one goes through
> the effort of extending the current level of platform integration.
>
> I couldn't resist and begun resembling Apple's Aqua design inside the
> portable Chimera L&F framework. Especially regarding dialog layout,
> menu behavior and fonts. The look is slightly different on Leopard,
> BTW. UIPainter can not yet distinguish between action buttons and
> dialog buttons, hence I needed to sacrifice the blue Aqua drops in
> favor of slick small action buttons for now. Perhaps someone knows of
> a simple way to extend the UIPainter palette?
>
> Although the gain of graphics performance (800%) is best noticed when
> working with the IDE (lots of text and nested tabs), a graphical
> benchmark might still give an impression: Thumb-scrolling 40,000
> polygons on a MacBook was not a problem ;-)
>
> The product implements Mac-faithful menus and keyboard behavior. The
> native Mac menu bar dynamically mirrors plain Smalltalk menus, for
> instance, which is very easy to maintain (i.e. enablement, dynamic
> labels, submenus and keyboard shortcuts "just work" as expected on a
> Mac). There are more add-ons like native print dialogs, floating tool
> panels, double-click to open documents, etc, that add to the overall
> user experience.
>
> Overview page:
> http://tinyurl.com/2lszck
>
> To get an impression without exploring the demo, there's also a video.
> Although it shows a different, more complex application, the general
> look and user experience is the same:
> http://tinyurl.com/2s3knp
>
> Should anyone try the demo and encounter technical issues, please
> notify me off list. Any feedback is appreciated. AFAIK, it does not
> randomly quit on Leopard, BTW, but I've changed so many things with
> the VM, this is likely not representative.
>
> Andre
>
>
>
>

> Hi all,
>
> Mac developers might be interested to have a look and give some  
> feedback.
>
> We recently released a native Aqua application. If anyone is  
> curious how it looks, feels, performs and sounds: A free demo is  
> available for download. It runs on Tiger (10.4) and Leopard (10.5)  
> as a universal binary. The product might be an example of what can  
> be done with VW in the realms of desktop software on native MacOS  
> X, if one goes through the effort of extending the current level of  
> platform integration.
>
> I couldn't resist and begun resembling Apple's Aqua design inside  
> the portable Chimera L&F framework. Especially regarding dialog  
> layout, menu behavior and fonts. The look is slightly different on  
> Leopard, BTW. UIPainter can not yet distinguish between action  
> buttons and dialog buttons, hence I needed to sacrifice the blue  
> Aqua drops in favor of slick small action buttons for now. Perhaps  
> someone knows of a simple way to extend the UIPainter palette?
>
> Although the gain of graphics performance (800%) is best noticed  
> when working with the IDE (lots of text and nested tabs), a  
> graphical benchmark might still give an impression: Thumb-scrolling  
> 40,000 polygons on a MacBook was not a problem ;-)
>
> The product implements Mac-faithful menus and keyboard behavior.  
> The native Mac menu bar dynamically mirrors plain Smalltalk menus,  
> for instance, which is very easy to maintain (i.e. enablement,  
> dynamic labels, submenus and keyboard shortcuts "just work" as  
> expected on a Mac). There are more add-ons like native print  
> dialogs, floating tool panels, double-click to open documents, etc,  
> that add to the overall user experience.
>
> Overview page:
> http://tinyurl.com/2lszck
>
> To get an impression without exploring the demo, there's also a  
> video. Although it shows a different, more complex application, the  
> general look and user experience is the same:
> http://tinyurl.com/2s3knp
>
> Should anyone try the demo and encounter technical issues, please  
> notify me off list. Any feedback is appreciated. AFAIK, it does not  
> randomly quit on Leopard, BTW, but I've changed so many things with  
> the VM, this is likely not representative.
>
> Andre
>
>

> We are making progress on the Mac VM, but at present we still have  
> one hard problem to solve.  On the GUI, there are some widget  
> improvements (updated Grid) coming in the January release, but in  
> preview.  The reason for preview is that the main developer working  
> on that has been pulled in multiple directions over the last couple  
> of months.  We intend to take a major look at at UI tools and  
> widgets in the next release.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: giorgio ferraris
> To: vwnc-list
> Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 3:56 AM
> Subject: Re: [ANN] Example MacOS X Development
>
> Hi,
> After  all of the talks done regarding the two hot topics: Pollock  
> being killed, and the problems on the Mac VM (and now there is also  
> a living demonstration that a nice mac could be possible (!)),I  
> think  it would be absolutely nice to have someone at Cincom  
> clearly say what are the things going on on the Mac VM and on Wrapper.
> If I'm not wrong, there was a bunch of people quite skeptical about  
> the general announcement (non in the Vassili meaning..) of a  
> general review of the framework. I don'twant to trust them:-(.
> I think silence in this case is not the best thing (or will you  
> surprise us next January?).
>
> BTW, as a personal feeling, I'm really well impressed by the work  
> going on on VW as a DLL, and the work for having a faster /easier  
> integration with C and Assembler (work done both by Cincomers and  
> by supporters...) thanks for that!
> To be more honest: thanks for all of the work you are doing, I can  
> see the result, but, as you know, we want more...
>
> Ciao
>
> On Dec 4, 2007 8:09 AM, stéphane ducasse < [hidden email]>  
> wrote:
> sadly there was not even a remark by somebody of cincom. :(
> Andre do you think that it would be possible that we (poor mac users)
> can get access to your modified VM?
>
> Stef
>
> On 26 nov. 07, at 15:11, Andre Schnoor wrote:
>
> > Hi all,
> >
> > Mac developers might be interested to have a look and give some
> > feedback.
> >
> > We recently released a native Aqua application. If anyone is
> > curious how it looks, feels, performs and sounds: A free demo is
> > available for download. It runs on Tiger (10.4) and Leopard (10.5)
> > as a universal binary. The product might be an example of what can
> > be done with VW in the realms of desktop software on native MacOS
> > X, if one goes through the effort of extending the current level of
> > platform integration.
> >
> > I couldn't resist and begun resembling Apple's Aqua design inside
> > the portable Chimera L&F framework. Especially regarding dialog
> > layout, menu behavior and fonts. The look is slightly different on
> > Leopard, BTW. UIPainter can not yet distinguish between action
> > buttons and dialog buttons, hence I needed to sacrifice the blue
> > Aqua drops in favor of slick small action buttons for now. Perhaps
> > someone knows of a simple way to extend the UIPainter palette?
> >
> > Although the gain of graphics performance (800%) is best noticed
> > when working with the IDE (lots of text and nested tabs), a
> > graphical benchmark might still give an impression: Thumb-scrolling
> > 40,000 polygons on a MacBook was not a problem ;-)
> >
> > The product implements Mac-faithful menus and keyboard behavior.
> > The native Mac menu bar dynamically mirrors plain Smalltalk menus,
> > for instance, which is very easy to maintain (i.e. enablement,
> > dynamic labels, submenus and keyboard shortcuts "just work" as
> > expected on a Mac). There are more add-ons like native print
> > dialogs, floating tool panels, double-click to open documents, etc,
> > that add to the overall user experience.
> >
> > Overview page:
> > http://tinyurl.com/2lszck
> >
> > To get an impression without exploring the demo, there's also a
> > video. Although it shows a different, more complex application, the
> > general look and user experience is the same:
> > http://tinyurl.com/2s3knp
> >
> > Should anyone try the demo and encounter technical issues, please
> > notify me off list. Any feedback is appreciated. AFAIK, it does not
> > randomly quit on Leopard, BTW, but I've changed so many things with
> > the VM, this is likely not representative.
> >
> > Andre
> >
> >
>
>
>

> James,
>
> James Robertson wrote:
>>
>> We are making progress on the Mac VM, but at present we still have one
>> hard problem to solve.  On the GUI, there are some widget improvements
>> (updated Grid) coming in the January release, but in preview.  The reason
>> for preview is that the main developer working on that has been pulled in
>> multiple directions over the last couple of months.  We intend to take a
>> major look at at UI tools and widgets in the next release.
>>
>
> Can you define "the next release" please, is it 7.6 or it is 7.7 which is
> more than a year away ?
>
>

> The next release of Cincom Smalltalk - VW 7.6 and ObjectStudio 8.1 - is
> scheduled for January of 2008
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mark Pirogovsky" <[hidden email]>
> To: "James Robertson" <[hidden email]>
> Cc: <[hidden email]>
> Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 11:26 PM
> Subject: Re: [ANN] Example MacOS X Development
>
>
>> James,
>>
>> James Robertson wrote:
>>>
>>> We are making progress on the Mac VM, but at present we still have one
>>> hard problem to solve.  On the GUI, there are some widget improvements
>>> (updated Grid) coming in the January release, but in preview.  The
>>> reason for preview is that the main developer working on that has been
>>> pulled in multiple directions over the last couple of months.  We intend
>>> to take a major look at at UI tools and widgets in the next release.
>>>
>>
>> Can you define "the next release" please, is it 7.6 or it is 7.7 which is
>> more than a year away ?
>>
>>
>
>