[ANN] FunSqueakCog-10423-alpha ready for improve with a little help of friends and complain by foes

>> nice to have muO (musical Objects I think) preloaded in an image.
>> No need to figure out this for myself. A real time saver.
>
> If you want to have a better feel of muO, a recent version is also
> available as a ready-for-use image at:
> http://www.zogotounga.net/comp/squeak/sqgeo.htm (direct link:
> http://www.zogotounga.net/comp/squeak/muo/muO%20243%20image.zip)
>
> Stef
>

> On 8/30/10, Stéphane Rollandin <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>> nice to have muO (musical Objects I think) preloaded in an image.
>>> No need to figure out this for myself. A real time saver.
>>
>> If you want to have a better feel of muO, a recent version is also
>> available as a ready-for-use image at:
>> http://www.zogotounga.net/comp/squeak/sqgeo.htm (direct link:
>> http://www.zogotounga.net/comp/squeak/muo/muO%20243%20image.zip)
>>
>> Stef
>>
>
> Stef
> Thank you for this link and the reminder. On which image is it based?
> Probably not Squeak 4.1 trunk latest as Edgar's?  The thing is that I
> perceive the FunSqueak like a kind of show case for various things. A
> one-stop thing to explore different projects so that I do not have to
> download various images from various places.
>
> So for exploring just muO as such your image is fine but if I want to
> show people some things which are available in Squeak 'FunSqueak' is
> the image to go for.
>
> So my suggestion is that you help Edgar to resolve problems installing muO.
>
> Regards
> Hannes
>

> Mandatory screenshot
>
> http://img801.imageshack.us/img801/5135/cmcapture1b.png
>
> And this was build and test with John Squeak 5.8b3, so I do not sure work in
> others OS.
> We could have Pier, Games , MathMorphs, Connectors, etc. FASTER
>
> http://ftp.squeak.org/Experiments/FunSqueakCog-10423-alpha.tgz
>
> If some do not work, some of you send fixes and next time we have some
> better.
>
> Pharopatas code is welcomed, I like work with our distant cousins.
>
> Edgar
>
>
> P.S. And for those who want Big Size....
> 23Mb Tar gzip

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> On 8/30/10 7:56 AM, "Stéphane Rollandin" <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>> The solution would be to break muO into core components (compatible,
>> without side-effects, suitable for FunSqueak) on one side, and
>> dispensable look&feel components on the other side. I'll do so in the
>> future, but I don't know when...
>>
>> Stef
> I take a look to last you have .
> Other way could take the complete muO and update it.

> Edgar
>
> I managed to download and unzip it on MSWindows (just a plain zip file
> would be more user friendly) and get the Cog VM (thank you Levente)
> and opened it.
>
> I like the selection of projects.
>
> Things to look at for the next version
>
> 1) When the image opens I see the HelpBrowser open. I click in the
> Help browser in 'Help on Help' I get a walk back. This was the first
> thing I actually did. I wonder which version of the HelpBrowser you
> are using as it comes with Squeak 4.1 trunk.
>
> 2) There is no menu (docking bar)
>
> 3) If I want to read the instructions in muO (musical objects) and
> click on the next page link in the BookMorph I get a walkback.  I
> assume the BookMorph must be an issue of Squeak 4.1 trunk
>
>
> --Hannes

>> I just asked
>> http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/pipermail/squeak-dev/2010-August/152996.html
>> and Levente gave the answer
>> http://www.mirandabanda.org/files/Cog/VM/
>>
>> There is a Linux and a Windows version as well as a Mac version.
>>
>> I tried out the Windows version and it starts with your image.
>
> This is good news , could unload all and test in Mac/Windows/Linux (ubuntu)
> Send mail here about progress
> Edgar
>
>
>
>

> Fine. I'll be happy to read the documentation.
>
> I have a suggestion. Maybe you put images of the steps between as well
> in the 'experimental' folder, e.g. you load muO (musical Objects) into
> the latest Squeak 4.1 trunk image, publish it, then you add another
> project, publish it and so on.
> This will allow us to more easily find out where the trouble are.
>
> Sources of problems may be
> 1) The application/project has not been fully ported to the latest
> Squeak 4.1 trunk
> 2) The Squeak 4.1 trunk does not support a feature properly anymore
> which was there in an earlier version.
> 3) Problems induces by the Cog VM.
>
> In any case these tests will reveal a lot.
>
> Thank you for your work of your group, Edgar.

>
>
>
> On 8/31/10 8:39 AM, "Hannes Hirzel" <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>> Fine. I'll be happy to read the documentation.
>>
>> I have a suggestion. Maybe you put images of the steps between as well
>> in the 'experimental' folder, e.g. you load muO (musical Objects) into
>> the latest Squeak 4.1 trunk image, publish it, then you add another
>> project, publish it and so on.
>> This will allow us to more easily find out where the trouble are.
>>
>> Sources of problems may be
>> 1) The application/project has not been fully ported to the latest
>> Squeak 4.1 trunk
>> 2) The Squeak 4.1 trunk does not support a feature properly anymore
>> which was there in an earlier version.
>> 3) Problems induces by the Cog VM.
>>
>> In any case these tests will reveal a lot.
>>
>> Thank you for your work of your group, Edgar.
>
>
> Ok.
> I just working on it before my student come in a hour
>
> Take this as informal report
>
> Building FunSqueak with Cog Squeak 5.8b4 John VM from fresh
> Squeak4.2-10423-alpha
>
> First, you need do SMSqueakMap bootStrap if like to download any of SM
> This steps works, I got some from Goran in the process.
> Trying to load the last Games for trunk I made some time ago shows:
>
> You need
> ComponentLikeModel.st
>
> This was ripped by Andreas for good , but still most older needs it until we
> refactor projects/class who refers to it.
>
> Project loads ans shows, but screen freezes.
>
> Starting again and trying drag and drop from Squeaklets and .pr just created
> shows a known old bug with Mac, drag and drop of .pr just do not work.
>
> Another issue is I locate VM on Elliot place but no luck to have working on
> Windows 7 or Ubuntu.
>
> I see was packed inside part of Mac VM like All in One , this technique
> start on Sophie IMHO, so for other OS you need navigate and locate the
> apropiate .exe or .app , etc.
>
> I know all this but still can't have Cog in Windows or Ubuntu.
> I read you have success so sure I miss some...
>
>
> Edgar
>
>
>
>

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> On 8/31/10 9:31 AM, "Hannes Hirzel" <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>> Thank you for this informal report. An answer to just one point before
>> I go to lunch.
>> I just did run a reduced image with a MSWindows Cog VM, see
>> http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/pipermail/squeak-dev/2010-August/153026.html
>
> As "reduced image" your have SqueakLight3 which do not load again downloaded
> packages and can load MultiMediaMonticello (old ProcustesEnd).
> You could forget some other differences by now.
> Maybe I should put again a older one into Experiments and you see the
> updated steps.
> I wish have not only Monticello , but also .cs via Utilities
> applyUpdatesFromDisk.
> Here you could test image with your own different code and send later to
> some place...
>
>
> The real challenge is not build a big image (Etoys, Croquet, Seaside) or
> Fun, MuO, BabyIDe starting from rgular trunk.
>
> It's if we could do using smaller/modular like Pavel, Juan, mines , others
> (SqueakCore PharoCore iPhone.image of John is a nicer one for start)
>
> We should have the goal of unload one or more packages of 4.2...
>
> Edgar
>
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