[ANN] OS Project with initial support for Ubuntu and Unix

Hi,

beside the existing "OS-Windows" support for Windows operating system
the "Pharo OS project" (http://smalltalkhub.com/#!/~OS) now also has
new subprojects for "OS-Unix" and "OS-Linux-Ubuntu" with some initial
support for these native platforms as well.

You can load it from the config browser in Pharo 4.0. I guess the
attached screenshot will explain it all...

Bye
T.

that is really great news, thank you very much. Do you plan a common
interface to manipulate OSes polymorphically? This could include:

- opening an external application
- sending a file to the trash
- ...

Thanks again!



On Fri, Jan 9, 2015 at 11:27 AM, Torsten Bergmann <[hidden email]> wrote:


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this is cool
What I would love is to have the possibility as in Ruby to invoke shell
and the rest from Pharo!

Stef
Le 9/1/15 11:27, Torsten Bergmann a écrit :

Excerpts from Torsten Bergmann's message of 2015-01-09 11:27:01 +0100:
> beside the existing "OS-Windows" support for Windows operating system
> the "Pharo OS project" (http://smalltalkhub.com/#!/~OS) now also has
> new subprojects for "OS-Unix" and "OS-Linux-Ubuntu" with some initial
> support for these native platforms as well.
>
> You can load it from the config browser in Pharo 4.0. I guess the
> attached screenshot will explain it all...

i can't get it to work.
whatever i try to load, pharo just hangs when i try to use one of the linux
menu entries.

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> i can't get it to work.
> whatever i try to load, pharo just hangs when i try to use one of the linux
> menu entries.

Are you sure you run the latest ubuntu,  the latest 4.0 image and the latest Pharo
virtual machine? Did you follow the PPA installation guide on: http://pharo.org/download?

In any other case the debugger is your friend. Step through the methods
tell us where exactly it hangs (which call with with parameters).

Thx
T.

Excerpts from Torsten Bergmann's message of 2015-01-26 05:14:38 +0100:
> > i can't get it to work.
> > whatever i try to load, pharo just hangs when i try to use one of the linux
> > menu entries.
> Are you sure you run the latest ubuntu,  the latest 4.0 image and the latest Pharo
> virtual machine? Did you follow the PPA installation guide on: http://pharo.org/download?

i am not running ubuntu at all.
pharo4 is a few weeks old, i'll update that.

i see no reason why opening a terminal should be ubuntu specific. in any case
though, it should just fail and not hang.

> In any other case the debugger is your friend. Step through the methods
> tell us where exactly it hangs (which call with with parameters).

i need a little help here, i know how to use the debugger when it gets called
on an error, but how do i start the debugger beforehand to trace what's
happening before?

do i need to set a breakpoint and then step through?
where would i set that breakpoint?

but before that, what do i need to actually install? just OSLinuxUbuntu or OSUnix as well?

greetings, martin.

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> i am not running ubuntu at all.

and you wonder why an ubuntu specific project is not working - funny ;)

> pharo4 is a few weeks old, i'll update that.
>
> i see no reason why opening a terminal should be ubuntu specific. in any case
> though, it should just fail and not hang.

Check class side methods UbuntuShell.

It only calls "gnome-terminal" which might not be available.
 
Bye
T

Excerpts from Torsten Bergmann's message of 2015-01-26 05:49:18 +0100:
> > i am not running ubuntu at all.
> and you wonder why an ubuntu specific project is not working - funny ;)

i am not wondering why it's not working, i am wondering why it is hanging.
if the code aborts and i get thrown into a debugger, i can deal with that (and
make an attempt to fix it) but if it just silently hangs the whole image, i am
stuck until i learn how to handle that.

> > pharo4 is a few weeks old, i'll update that.
> >
> > i see no reason why opening a terminal should be ubuntu specific. in any case
> > though, it should just fail and not hang.
> Check class side methods UbuntuShell.
>
> It only calls "gnome-terminal" which might not be available.

well, gnome-terminal is available, so it must be something else.
now i just need to figure out how to get the debugger started manually, and
then i'll investigate.

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Excerpts from Torsten Bergmann's message of 2015-01-26 05:49:18 +0100:
> > i see no reason why opening a terminal should be ubuntu specific. in any case
> > though, it should just fail and not hang.
> Check class side methods UbuntuShell.
> It only calls "gnome-terminal" which might not be available.

thanks, the code is less complex than i expected.
there is not much to debug even, because Ubuntu system: 'gnome-terminal &'. is what hangs.
and Ubuntu>>system: is just calling nativeboost. so the problem must be in
there. i have updated to the latest pharo4 image, but i didn't check that the
pharo-vm is up-to-date.

btw: PipeableOSProcess command: 'gnome-terminal &'. works just fine.

what is the difference between using nativeboost instead of OSProcess?

greetings, martin.

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Excerpts from Ben Coman's message of 2015-01-26 08:42:23 +0100:
> Just a random thought.  Can you see what effect installing the slice for
> the following issue has?
> https://pharo.fogbugz.com/default.asp?14669

can't access that without registration. sorry, but that's a serious impediment.
i already have to many accounts to manage.

pretty much every other Free Software project out there has this stuff
accessible without login.

greetings, martin.

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Yes, sadly fogbugz does not support that.

We will move just due to this to another issue tracker eventually, but it will be quite some effort.
I do not yet know when we will have the time and energy to do that.

        Marcus

Excerpts from Marcus Denker's message of 2015-01-26 11:26:58 +0100:
> >> https://pharo.fogbugz.com/default.asp?14669
> > pretty much every other Free Software project out there has this stuff
> > accessible without login.
> Yes, sadly fogbugz does not support that.
>
> We will move just due to this to another issue tracker eventually, but it
> will be quite some effort.  I do not yet know when we will have the time and
> energy to do that.

thanks, that's comforting to know.
has there been any consideration for which issue tracker would be preferred as a replacement?
github? some Free Software platform? something homegrown?

greetings, martin.

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