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hernanmd

[ANN] Phantasia: A CSS Framework

Dear anyone interested in working with Smalltalk objects:

Now you can write in Smalltalk to style pages with CSS. Instead of styling with ugly, boring and long Strings (where you must perform a continuous visual sweeping of the code to make the most trivial modification), you can create high-level super sexy CSS constructs, track and review your styles with the standard Smalltalk tools (XReferences), and share constructs and configurations easily. The framework includes a set of 40 fixed layout templates ready for use, and let you compose the basic CSS elements as objects.

A note: If your department, office, ark, whatever, have graphical designers, they rarely would love to learn this new strange prolific ninja environment called Smalltalk just for writing CSS - besides, a lot of them are already in love with anything after the word "Adobe" -, but, for smalltalkers, by far we believe that's easier to work inside Smalltalk with objects than in a file-based way.

Sincerely,

Hernán

PD: The I-almost-forget-it part of this mail: Juan Burella and me wrote Phantasia. Download it from http://www.squeaksource.com/Phantasia.html

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David Zmick

Re: [ANN] Phantasia: A CSS Framework

Good project, I like the idea. This is kind of like what i tried to bring up in the "Seaside 3.0" thread, but, my idea was not very popular :(

On Sun, Aug 3, 2008 at 8:40 PM, Hernán Morales <[hidden email]> wrote:

Dear anyone interested in working with Smalltalk objects:

Now you can write in Smalltalk to style pages with CSS. Instead of styling with ugly, boring and long Strings (where you must perform a continuous visual sweeping of the code to make the most trivial modification), you can create high-level super sexy CSS constructs, track and review your styles with the standard Smalltalk tools (XReferences), and share constructs and configurations easily. The framework includes a set of 40 fixed layout templates ready for use, and let you compose the basic CSS elements as objects.

A note: If your department, office, ark, whatever, have graphical designers, they rarely would love to learn this new strange prolific ninja environment called Smalltalk just for writing CSS - besides, a lot of them are already in love with anything after the word "Adobe" -, but, for smalltalkers, by far we believe that's easier to work inside Smalltalk with objects than in a file-based way.

Sincerely,

Hernán

PD: The I-almost-forget-it part of this mail: Juan Burella and me wrote Phantasia. Download it from http://www.squeaksource.com/Phantasia.html

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Janko Mivšek

Re: [ANN] Phantasia: A CSS Framework

In reply to this post by hernanmd

Hi Hernán,

It seems quite interesting work!. Can you put together also a quick
tutorial how to use it? Or, do you have an on-line example of current
templates somewhere on the web?

Best regards
JAnko

Hernán Morales wrote:

> Dear anyone interested in working with Smalltalk objects:
>
> Now you can write in Smalltalk to style pages with CSS. Instead of
> styling with ugly, boring and long Strings (where you must perform a
> continuous visual sweeping of the code to make the most trivial
> modification), you can create high-level super sexy CSS constructs,
> track and review your styles with the standard Smalltalk tools
> (XReferences), and share constructs and configurations easily. The
> framework includes a set of 40 fixed layout templates ready for use, and
> let you compose the basic CSS elements as objects.
>
> A note: If your department, office, ark, whatever, have graphical
> designers, they rarely would love to learn this new strange prolific
> ninja environment called Smalltalk just for writing CSS - besides, a lot
> of them are already in love with anything after the word "Adobe" -, but,
> for smalltalkers, by far we believe that's easier to work inside
> Smalltalk with objects than in a file-based way.

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AIDA/Web
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Burella Juan M.

Re: [ANN] Phantasia: A CSS Framework

Hi Janko,

We are preparing a tutorial which we'll publish as soon as we can. About the on-line example, our application here (an implementation of FRBRoo) is behind an intranet so it´s a little difficult for us to offer that. Anyway, maybe we can fix for an on-line demo and upload to a seaside (or Aida) hosting?

Regards

Juan M

On 8/5/08, Janko Mivšek <[hidden email]> wrote:

Hi Hernán,

It seems quite interesting work!. Can you put together also a quick tutorial how to use it? Or, do you have an on-line example of current templates somewhere on the web?

Best regards
JAnko

Hernán Morales wrote:

Dear anyone interested in working with Smalltalk objects:

Now you can write in Smalltalk to style pages with CSS. Instead of styling with ugly, boring and long Strings (where you must perform a continuous visual sweeping of the code to make the most trivial modification), you can create high-level super sexy CSS constructs, track and review your styles with the standard Smalltalk tools (XReferences), and share constructs and configurations easily. The framework includes a set of 40 fixed layout templates ready for use, and let you compose the basic CSS elements as objects.

A note: If your department, office, ark, whatever, have graphical designers, they rarely would love to learn this new strange prolific ninja environment called Smalltalk just for writing CSS - besides, a lot of them are already in love with anything after the word "Adobe" -, but, for smalltalkers, by far we believe that's easier to work inside Smalltalk with objects than in a file-based way.

--
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AIDA/Web
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John McKeon-3

Re: [ANN] Phantasia: A CSS Framework

www.seasidehosting.st would be my first guess.

Burella Juan M. wrote:

> Hi Janko,
>
> We are preparing a tutorial which we'll publish as soon as we can.
> About the on-line example, our application here (an implementation of
> FRBRoo) is behind an intranet so it´s a little difficult for us to
> offer that. Anyway, maybe we can fix for an on-line demo and upload to
> a seaside (or Aida) hosting?
>
> Regards
>
> Juan M
>
> On 8/5/08, *Janko Mivšek* <[hidden email]
> <mailto:[hidden email]>> wrote:
>
> Hi Hernán,
>
> It seems quite interesting work!. Can you put together also a
> quick tutorial how to use it? Or, do you have an on-line example
> of current templates somewhere on the web?
>
> Best regards
> JAnko
>
> Hernán Morales wrote:
>
> Dear anyone interested in working with Smalltalk objects:
>
> Now you can write in Smalltalk to style pages with CSS.
> Instead of styling with ugly, boring and long Strings (where
> you must perform a continuous visual sweeping of the code to
> make the most trivial modification), you can create high-level
> super sexy CSS constructs, track and review your styles with
> the standard Smalltalk tools (XReferences), and share
> constructs and configurations easily. The framework includes a
> set of 40 fixed layout templates ready for use, and let you
> compose the basic CSS elements as objects.
>
> A note: If your department, office, ark, whatever, have
> graphical designers, they rarely would love to learn this new
> strange prolific ninja environment called Smalltalk just for
> writing CSS - besides, a lot of them are already in love with
> anything after the word "Adobe" -, but, for smalltalkers, by
> far we believe that's easier to work inside Smalltalk with
> objects than in a file-based way.
>
>
>
> --
> Janko Mivšek
> AIDA/Web
> Smalltalk Web Application Server
> http://www.aidaweb.si <http://www.aidaweb.si/>
>
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Stan Shepherd

Re: [ANN] Phantasia: A CSS Framework

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Hi Hernán,

There seems to be some missing source in the repository, eg:

WACSSTestLayoutTemplate class>>newLayout: t1 generator: t2
^ super new initializeWith: t1 generator: t2

Similarly most of the instance side methods.

This prevents it loading in the current Seaside one click image.

Do you have a complete version you could upload please?

Thanks, ...Stan

Hernán Morales Durand wrote

Dear anyone interested in working with Smalltalk objects:

Now you can write in Smalltalk to style pages with CSS. Instead of styling
with ugly, boring and long Strings (where you must perform a continuous
visual sweeping of the code to make the most trivial modification), you can
create high-level super sexy CSS constructs, track and review your styles
with the standard Smalltalk tools (XReferences), and share constructs and
configurations easily. The framework includes a set of 40 fixed layout
templates ready for use, and let you compose the basic CSS elements as
objects.

A note: If your department, office, ark, whatever, have graphical designers,
they rarely would love to learn this new strange prolific ninja environment
called Smalltalk just for writing CSS - besides, a lot of them are already
in love with anything after the word "Adobe" -, but, for smalltalkers, by
far we believe that's easier to work inside Smalltalk with objects than in a
file-based way.

Sincerely,

Hernán

PD: The I-almost-forget-it part of this mail: Juan Burella and me wrote
Phantasia. Download it from http://www.squeaksource.com/Phantasia.html

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hernanmd

Re: [ANN] Phantasia: A CSS Framework

Hi Stan,
Phantasia currently works under Seaside 2.8 (I've never tried the
Seaside one click image). In the link below you will find a Squeak
3.10.2 image with Seaside 2.8 and Phantasia loaded ready to test, just
point your browser to http://localhost:9090/seaside and select the css
link.

http://rapidshare.com/files/296019160/Phantasia-Sq310-SS28.zip.html

Now regarding the status, I should note I've started to rewrite the
package as an adaptive object model with tool support for domain
experts and users, but is going to take a while for achieving serious
results (competitive in the market), since nobody is supporting it
financially and specially when so few people is investing in Smalltalk
(compared to Java or other traditional technologies).
Cheers,

Hernán

2009/10/21 Stan Shepherd <[hidden email]>:

>
> Hi Hernán,
>
> There seems to be some missing source in the repository, eg:
>
> WACSSTestLayoutTemplate class>>newLayout: t1 generator: t2
> ^ super new initializeWith: t1 generator: t2
>
> Similarly most of the instance side methods.
>
> This prevents it loading in the current Seaside one click image.
>
> Do you have a complete version you could upload please?
>
> Thanks, ...Stan
>
>
> Hernán Morales Durand wrote:
>>
>> Dear anyone interested in working with Smalltalk objects:
>>
>> Now you can write in Smalltalk to style pages with CSS. Instead of
>> styling
>> with ugly, boring and long Strings (where you must perform a continuous
>> visual sweeping of the code to make the most trivial modification), you
>> can
>> create high-level super sexy CSS constructs, track and review your styles
>> with the standard Smalltalk tools (XReferences), and share constructs and
>> configurations easily. The framework includes a set of 40 fixed layout
>> templates ready for use, and let you compose the basic CSS elements as
>> objects.
>>
>> A note: If your department, office, ark, whatever, have graphical
>> designers,
>> they rarely would love to learn this new strange prolific ninja
>> environment
>> called Smalltalk just for writing CSS - besides, a lot of them are already
>> in love with anything after the word "Adobe" -, but, for smalltalkers, by
>> far we believe that's easier to work inside Smalltalk with objects than in
>> a
>> file-based way.
>>
>> Sincerely,
>>
>> Hernán
>>
>> PD: The I-almost-forget-it part of this mail: Juan Burella and me wrote
>> Phantasia. Download it from http://www.squeaksource.com/Phantasia.html
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> seaside mailing list
>> [hidden email]
>> http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside
>>
>>
>
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Robert Sirois

RE: [ANN] Phantasia: A CSS Framework

I kinda figured it wouldn't, but the templates package won't load into a Seaside 3.0 image. Thought I'd try just for kicks :p

RS

> Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 13:43:02 -0300
> Subject: Re: [Seaside] [ANN] Phantasia: A CSS Framework
> From: [hidden email]
> To: [hidden email]
>
> Hi Stan,
> Phantasia currently works under Seaside 2.8 (I've never tried the
> Seaside one click image). In the link below you will find a Squeak
> 3.10.2 image with Seaside 2.8 and Phantasia loaded ready to test, just
> point your browser to http://localhost:9090/seaside and select the css
> link.
>
> http://rapidshare.com/files/296019160/Phantasia-Sq310-SS28.zip.html
>
> Now regarding the status, I should note I've started to rewrite the
> package as an adaptive object model with tool support for domain
> experts and users, but is going to take a while for achieving serious
> results (competitive in the market), since nobody is supporting it
> financially and specially when so few people is investing in Smalltalk
> (compared to Java or other traditional technologies).
> Cheers,
>
> Hernán
>
>
> 2009/10/21 Stan Shepherd <[hidden email]>:
> >
> > Hi Hernán,
> >
> > There seems to be some missing source in the repository, eg:
> >
> > WACSSTestLayoutTemplate class>>newLayout: t1 generator: t2
> > ^ super new initializeWith: t1 generator: t2
> >
> > Similarly most of the instance side methods.
> >
> > This prevents it loading in the current Seaside one click image.
> >
> > Do you have a complete version you could upload please?
> >
> > Thanks, ...Stan
> >
> >
> > Hernán Morales Durand wrote:
> >>
> >> Dear anyone interested in working with Smalltalk objects:
> >>
> >> Now you can write in Smalltalk to style pages with CSS. Instead of
> >> styling
> >> with ugly, boring and long Strings (where you must perform a continuous
> >> visual sweeping of the code to make the most trivial modification), you
> >> can
> >> create high-level super sexy CSS constructs, track and review your styles
> >> with the standard Smalltalk tools (XReferences), and share constructs and
> >> configurations easily. The framework includes a set of 40 fixed layout
> >> templates ready for use, and let you compose the basic CSS elements as
> >> objects.
> >>
> >> A note: If your department, office, ark, whatever, have graphical
> >> designers,
> >> they rarely would love to learn this new strange prolific ninja
> >> environment
> >> called Smalltalk just for writing CSS - besides, a lot of them are already
> >> in love with anything after the word "Adobe" -, but, for smalltalkers, by
> >> far we believe that's easier to work inside Smalltalk with objects than in
> >> a
> >> file-based way.
> >>
> >> Sincerely,
> >>
> >> Hernán
> >>
> >> PD: The I-almost-forget-it part of this mail: Juan Burella and me wrote
> >> Phantasia. Download it from http://www.squeaksource.com/Phantasia.html
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> seaside mailing list
> >> [hidden email]
> >> http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside
> >>
> >>
> >
> > --
> > View this message in context: http://n4.nabble.com/ANN-Phantasia-A-CSS-Framework-tp98229p276056.html
> > Sent from the Squeak - Seaside mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
> > _______________________________________________
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> > [hidden email]
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> >
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Stan Shepherd

Re: [ANN] Phantasia: A CSS Framework

In reply to this post by hernanmd

Thanks Hernán,

I'm mostly looking at the SmallFaces package, which appears to be working withe the one-click version (ie on Pharo). I was a bit concerned that Phantasia is a prerequisite and that could cause issues later.

Is the status of SmallFaces the same as Phantasia?

...Stan

Hernán Morales Durand wrote

Hi Stan,
Phantasia currently works under Seaside 2.8 (I've never tried the
Seaside one click image). In the link below you will find a Squeak
3.10.2 image with Seaside 2.8 and Phantasia loaded ready to test, just
point your browser to http://localhost:9090/seaside and select the css
link.

http://rapidshare.com/files/296019160/Phantasia-Sq310-SS28.zip.html

Now regarding the status, I should note I've started to rewrite the
package as an adaptive object model with tool support for domain
experts and users, but is going to take a while for achieving serious
results (competitive in the market), since nobody is supporting it
financially and specially when so few people is investing in Smalltalk
(compared to Java or other traditional technologies).
Cheers,

Hernán

2009/10/21 Stan Shepherd <stan.shepherd414@gmail.com>:
>
> Hi Hernán,
>
> There seems to be some missing source in the repository, eg:
>
> WACSSTestLayoutTemplate class>>newLayout: t1 generator: t2
> ^ super new initializeWith: t1 generator: t2
>
> Similarly most of the instance side methods.
>
> This prevents it loading in the current Seaside one click image.
>
> Do you have a complete version you could upload please?
>
> Thanks, ...Stan
>
>
> Hernán Morales Durand wrote:
>>
>> Dear anyone interested in working with Smalltalk objects:
>>
>> Now you can write in Smalltalk to style pages with CSS. Instead of
>> styling
>> with ugly, boring and long Strings (where you must perform a continuous
>> visual sweeping of the code to make the most trivial modification), you
>> can
>> create high-level super sexy CSS constructs, track and review your styles
>> with the standard Smalltalk tools (XReferences), and share constructs and
>> configurations easily. The framework includes a set of 40 fixed layout
>> templates ready for use, and let you compose the basic CSS elements as
>> objects.
>>
>> A note: If your department, office, ark, whatever, have graphical
>> designers,
>> they rarely would love to learn this new strange prolific ninja
>> environment
>> called Smalltalk just for writing CSS - besides, a lot of them are already
>> in love with anything after the word "Adobe" -, but, for smalltalkers, by
>> far we believe that's easier to work inside Smalltalk with objects than in
>> a
>> file-based way.
>>
>> Sincerely,
>>
>> Hernán
>>
>> PD: The I-almost-forget-it part of this mail: Juan Burella and me wrote
>> Phantasia. Download it from http://www.squeaksource.com/Phantasia.html
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> seaside mailing list
>> seaside@lists.squeakfoundation.org
>> http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside
>>
>>
>
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hernanmd

Re: [ANN] Phantasia: A CSS Framework

2009/10/21 Stan Shepherd <[hidden email]>:
>
> Thanks Hernán,
>
> I'm mostly looking at the SmallFaces package, which appears to be working
> withe the one-click version (ie on Pharo). I was a bit concerned that
> Phantasia is a prerequisite and that could cause issues later.
>
> Is the status of SmallFaces the same as Phantasia?

No, SmallFaces has evolved a lot for complex forms application
scenarios, most of these changes remain unpublished. A page with the
SmallFaces status is available : http://wiki.squeak.org/squeak/6145
If you want to know details about the not published developments
(specially about SOPE), please contact Norberto Manzanos
([hidden email]).

Cheers,

Hernán
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Stan Shepherd

Fwd: [ANN] Phantasia: A CSS Framework

Hello Norberto,

I'm just starting some development with SmallFaces, and Hernan suggested you may have a later version. Is there a useable version? Alternatively, is it mainly compatible with the version on SqueakSource?

Thanks, ...Stan Shepherd

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From: Hernán Morales Durand <[hidden email]>
Date: 2009/10/22
Subject: Re: [Seaside] [ANN] Phantasia: A CSS Framework
To: Seaside - general discussion <[hidden email]>

2009/10/21 Stan Shepherd <[hidden email]>:
>

> Thanks Hernán,
>
> I'm mostly looking at the SmallFaces package, which appears to be working
> withe the one-click version (ie on Pharo). I was a bit concerned that
> Phantasia is a prerequisite and that could cause issues later.
>
> Is the status of SmallFaces the same as Phantasia?

No, SmallFaces has evolved a lot for complex forms application
scenarios, most of these changes remain unpublished. A page with the
SmallFaces status is available : http://wiki.squeak.org/squeak/6145
If you want to know details about the not published developments
(specially about SOPE), please contact Norberto Manzanos
([hidden email]).

Cheers,

Hernán

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