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Re: [ANN] PharoDev-1.3-13173

CdAB63
I've noticed a funny behavior of Transcript. Sometimes it is loosing
it's "window" attributes (borders, etc). Sometimes it's "waking by
itself" (meaning, it's minimized & when something is output to it it
appears on World but without borders, etc).

I'll investigate more & inform.

CdAB

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Re: [ANN] PharoDev-1.3-13173

laurent laffont
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+1000 for the future. Backward bug and bad design compatibility is a pain.

Laurent

On Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 11:59 PM, Casimiro de Almeida Barreto <[hidden email]> wrote:
Em <a href="tel:27-04-2011%2018" value="+12704201118">27-04-2011 18:41, Jon Hancock escreveu:
> Stef,
> I'm with you!!  Keep hacking away at Pharo and make it the cleanest,
> nicest Smalltalk environment.  Backwards compat talk this early in
> Pharo's life is premature.  Besides, one of Smalltalk's best features
> is discovery and refactoring.  This makes it much easier to migrate
> and rewrite when things break.
>
> Thanks for all your work!!  I'm only "playing" with pharo these days
> but keep looking for U.S. clients where I can plug it in.
> ~Jon
+1 here.

Backwards compatibility would make sense only if there were widespread
use applications. Except for seaside I cannot mention (I'm not being
rude, neither willing to hurt feelings) other pharo/squeak artifact
that's used in a scale enough to demand back compat. Small scale
applications or stand alone solutions don't require updates/upgrades.

I agree with Stef & others: the important thing at the moment is having
a platform. Pharo isn't it yet. At current pace it will be soon. When it
happens and people see the value to deliver mass solutions, then a
requirement for back compat will appear.

It's interesting but many complaints about compatibility are done
regarding to packages that aren't even maintained anymore. And that
happens in part because of platform deficiencies pointed by Stef.

My 0,99c here...

CdAB


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Re: [ANN] PharoDev-1.3-13173

Stéphane Ducasse
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On Apr 27, 2011, at 11:41 PM, Jon Hancock wrote:

> Stef,
> I'm with you!!  Keep hacking away at Pharo and make it the cleanest, nicest Smalltalk environment.  Backwards compat talk this early in Pharo's life is premature.  Besides, one of Smalltalk's best features is discovery and refactoring.  This makes it much easier to migrate and rewrite when things break.
>
> Thanks for all your work!!  I'm only "playing" with pharo these days but keep looking for U.S. clients where I can plug it in.

Excellent
I cross my finger.

Stef

> ~Jon
>
> On 04/27/2011 01:42 PM, Stéphane Ducasse wrote:
>> Mike and other
>>
>> How many engineers are payed to deliver freeBSD?
>> How many active committers and packages responsible are actively commiting and taking
>> responsibility for packages?
>>
>> We need also stability but right now not changing is just been dead.
>> I think that lot of people do not read the code of pharo else they would see why we are
>> changing. We do not change for the fun. THIS IS NOT FUN TO write boring code
>> to fix ugly situation. We would prefer to write hyper cool sexy app and be fancy to
>> impress girls but this is not like that. Network is bad, compiler is bad, file is ugly....
>> Once this will be fixed then we will not change for the sake of it.
>>
>> Now comparing Smalltalk to cobol is silly (sorry but it is). Right we are fighting
>> with python, ruby, javascript (in fact we are not fighting since we do not even exist in the radar).
>> If we want to get a chance, we should move way faster and be really aggressive to make sure
>> that you can write hyper cool application.
>>
>> Now why would you need to upgrade all the time to new versions if your system
>> is working.
>>
>> Metacello and versioning systems are your friends: maintain difference streams
>> and versions if you want to share between different versions.
>>
>> Stef
>
>


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Re: [ANN] PharoDev-1.3-13173

Mariano Martinez Peck
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On Thu, Apr 28, 2011 at 12:08 AM, Casimiro de Almeida Barreto <[hidden email]> wrote:
I've noticed a funny behavior of Transcript. Sometimes it is loosing
it's "window" attributes (borders, etc). Sometimes it's "waking by
itself" (meaning, it's minimized & when something is output to it it
appears on World but without borders, etc).

I'll investigate more & inform.



yes please. Can you also open aticket saying that "Transcript open"  doesn't work ?


thanks


--
Mariano
http://marianopeck.wordpress.com

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