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[ANN] Regular tech hangouts every month

EstebanLM
Hi,

Last board meeting we decided to take some actions to improve communication and one of the ideas we had is to start some regular meetings each month, to talk about current release development issues.

Since I’m the one who will do it, I decided:

- I will handle those meetings every last Tuesday of every month at 16h UTC (So people from America-The-Continent can join… Yes, is a continent, not a country)
- I will send main topic one week earlier (but it will be an open QA/brainstorm session).
- You can send me topics you want to discuss anytime
- I will *invite* (I mean: force) relevant people for topics to talk (for example, Denis to talk about remote debugging, Pavel/Guille/Christophe about bootstrap)

I still do not know the medium:
- terf? problem is that a) everybody needs to install a client (is not heavy, but I think there is no linux client) and b) I still don’t know how the thing works ;) (but it would be cool to use a smalltalk app).
- hangouts? I’m fed up with the 10 limit… we (the consortium) are willing to pay some (not *much*, but some) to have better sessions (we need them also for consortium meetings who always runs out of slots).
- other?

Well, I will sort out this  before the meeting :)

Anyway… next tech meeting will be… (suspense…)…

Tuesday 27 September 16h UTC

cheers,
Esteban
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Re: [ANN] Regular tech hangouts every month

Max Leske
Cool! Thanks Esteban.


> On 14 Sep 2016, at 14:50, Esteban Lorenzano <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> Last board meeting we decided to take some actions to improve communication and one of the ideas we had is to start some regular meetings each month, to talk about current release development issues.
>
> Since I’m the one who will do it, I decided:
>
> - I will handle those meetings every last Tuesday of every month at 16h UTC (So people from America-The-Continent can join… Yes, is a continent, not a country)
> - I will send main topic one week earlier (but it will be an open QA/brainstorm session).
> - You can send me topics you want to discuss anytime
> - I will *invite* (I mean: force) relevant people for topics to talk (for example, Denis to talk about remote debugging, Pavel/Guille/Christophe about bootstrap)
>
> I still do not know the medium:
> - terf? problem is that a) everybody needs to install a client (is not heavy, but I think there is no linux client) and b) I still don’t know how the thing works ;) (but it would be cool to use a smalltalk app).
> - hangouts? I’m fed up with the 10 limit… we (the consortium) are willing to pay some (not *much*, but some) to have better sessions (we need them also for consortium meetings who always runs out of slots).
> - other?
>
> Well, I will sort out this  before the meeting :)
>
> Anyway… next tech meeting will be… (suspense…)…
>
> Tuesday 27 September 16h UTC
>
> cheers,
> Esteban


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Re: [ANN] Regular tech hangouts every month

Guillermo Polito
Should I take this email as the invitation? :P

Thanks! I'm putting it into my calendar.

-------- Original Message --------

> Cool! Thanks Esteban.
>
>
>> On 14 Sep 2016, at 14:50, Esteban Lorenzano <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> Last board meeting we decided to take some actions to improve communication and one of the ideas we had is to start some regular meetings each month, to talk about current release development issues.
>>
>> Since I’m the one who will do it, I decided:
>>
>> - I will handle those meetings every last Tuesday of every month at 16h UTC (So people from America-The-Continent can join… Yes, is a continent, not a country)
>> - I will send main topic one week earlier (but it will be an open QA/brainstorm session).
>> - You can send me topics you want to discuss anytime
>> - I will *invite* (I mean: force) relevant people for topics to talk (for example, Denis to talk about remote debugging, Pavel/Guille/Christophe about bootstrap)
>>
>> I still do not know the medium:
>> - terf? problem is that a) everybody needs to install a client (is not heavy, but I think there is no linux client) and b) I still don’t know how the thing works ;) (but it would be cool to use a smalltalk app).
>> - hangouts? I’m fed up with the 10 limit… we (the consortium) are willing to pay some (not *much*, but some) to have better sessions (we need them also for consortium meetings who always runs out of slots).
>> - other?
>>
>> Well, I will sort out this  before the meeting :)
>>
>> Anyway… next tech meeting will be… (suspense…)…
>>
>> Tuesday 27 September 16h UTC
>>
>> cheers,
>> Esteban
>


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Re: [ANN] Regular tech hangouts every month

Peter Uhnak
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On Wed, Sep 14, 2016 at 02:50:47PM +0200, Esteban Lorenzano wrote:

> - I will handle those meetings every last Tuesday of every month at 16h UTC (So people from America-The-Continent can join… Yes, is a continent, not a country)

Also known as "Americas". :)

> I still do not know the medium:
> - terf? problem is that a) everybody needs to install a client (is not heavy, but I think there is no linux client) and b) I still don’t know how the thing works ;) (but it would be cool to use a smalltalk app).
> - hangouts? I’m fed up with the 10 limit… we (the consortium) are willing to pay some (not *much*, but some) to have better sessions (we need them also for consortium meetings who always runs out of slots).
> - other?

is video a requirement? iirc during the last call most people didn't have camera (and the rest turned it off throughout the call).
Because otherwise additional opportunities open up (maybe TeamSpeak or Discord? (Discord raised $20 million lol... maybe we should get some of that sweet VC funding for Pharo ;))
Also skype group calls are better than hangouts (doesn't work on linux though).

Peter

cbc
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Re: [ANN] Regular tech hangouts every month

cbc


On Wed, Sep 14, 2016 at 7:43 AM, Peter Uhnak <[hidden email]> wrote:
On Wed, Sep 14, 2016 at 02:50:47PM +0200, Esteban Lorenzano wrote:

> - I will handle those meetings every last Tuesday of every month at 16h UTC (So people from America-The-Continent can join… Yes, is a continent, not a country)

Also known as "Americas". :)

Right.  We are actually two continents that share a common name.

-cbc
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Re: [ANN] Regular tech hangouts every month

Gastón Dall' Oglio
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Hello all.

In my work we begin to use www.zoom.us, it works really well.
Looking at the characteristic for basic plan (free) seem to be enough: 50 participants, unlimited number of meetings, 40 minutes per meeting.
It have clients for all platforms https://zoom.us/download

My 2 cents
Cheers from America... the-continent :)

2016-09-14 9:50 GMT-03:00 Esteban Lorenzano <[hidden email]>:
Hi,

Last board meeting we decided to take some actions to improve communication and one of the ideas we had is to start some regular meetings each month, to talk about current release development issues.

Since I’m the one who will do it, I decided:

- I will handle those meetings every last Tuesday of every month at 16h UTC (So people from America-The-Continent can join… Yes, is a continent, not a country)
- I will send main topic one week earlier (but it will be an open QA/brainstorm session).
- You can send me topics you want to discuss anytime
- I will *invite* (I mean: force) relevant people for topics to talk (for example, Denis to talk about remote debugging, Pavel/Guille/Christophe about bootstrap)

I still do not know the medium:
- terf? problem is that a) everybody needs to install a client (is not heavy, but I think there is no linux client) and b) I still don’t know how the thing works ;) (but it would be cool to use a smalltalk app).
- hangouts? I’m fed up with the 10 limit… we (the consortium) are willing to pay some (not *much*, but some) to have better sessions (we need them also for consortium meetings who always runs out of slots).
- other?

Well, I will sort out this  before the meeting :)

Anyway… next tech meeting will be… (suspense…)…

Tuesday 27 September 16h UTC

cheers,
Esteban

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Re: [ANN] Regular tech hangouts every month

stepharo
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Hi esteban

to get started we should use something that does not require videos and
see how it works.

My teenagers at home use discord.... :(

and they told me it works well.


Stef

Le 14/9/16 à 14:50, Esteban Lorenzano a écrit :

> Hi,
>
> Last board meeting we decided to take some actions to improve communication and one of the ideas we had is to start some regular meetings each month, to talk about current release development issues.
>
> Since I’m the one who will do it, I decided:
>
> - I will handle those meetings every last Tuesday of every month at 16h UTC (So people from America-The-Continent can join… Yes, is a continent, not a country)
> - I will send main topic one week earlier (but it will be an open QA/brainstorm session).
> - You can send me topics you want to discuss anytime
> - I will *invite* (I mean: force) relevant people for topics to talk (for example, Denis to talk about remote debugging, Pavel/Guille/Christophe about bootstrap)
>
> I still do not know the medium:
> - terf? problem is that a) everybody needs to install a client (is not heavy, but I think there is no linux client) and b) I still don’t know how the thing works ;) (but it would be cool to use a smalltalk app).
> - hangouts? I’m fed up with the 10 limit… we (the consortium) are willing to pay some (not *much*, but some) to have better sessions (we need them also for consortium meetings who always runs out of slots).
> - other?
>
> Well, I will sort out this  before the meeting :)
>
> Anyway… next tech meeting will be… (suspense…)…
>
> Tuesday 27 September 16h UTC
>
> cheers,
> Esteban
>


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Re: [ANN] Regular tech hangouts every month

kilon.alios
My recommendation is that you use a live text chat whatever else you use. Generally speaking most video chat clients also include a text chat.  A live text chat would allow for more people to participate especially people on slow connections. Of course the more people join on a video chat the bigger the latency. Voice chat is also tricky for long conversations because you have no indication when someone wants to talk or when someone is about to talk so people tend to talk one over the other which happens also on video chat too.

So by starting with a live text you allow a lot of people to participate to the coversation, also in a live text chat you can have several conversations going on at the same time which makes things also a lot easier and faster.

I have done Google Hangouts in the past, it was ok, the advantage of the hangouts and video chat is that it is dead easy to share a screen so its easy to show people what you talking about. I would not try Google Hangouts or any other video chat with more than 10 people, it would be crazy 20 people trying to find an opportunity to speak and the latency making things harder.



On Wed, Sep 14, 2016 at 10:14 PM stepharo <[hidden email]> wrote:
Hi esteban

to get started we should use something that does not require videos and
see how it works.

My teenagers at home use discord.... :(

and they told me it works well.


Stef

Le 14/9/16 à 14:50, Esteban Lorenzano a écrit :
> Hi,
>
> Last board meeting we decided to take some actions to improve communication and one of the ideas we had is to start some regular meetings each month, to talk about current release development issues.
>
> Since I’m the one who will do it, I decided:
>
> - I will handle those meetings every last Tuesday of every month at 16h UTC (So people from America-The-Continent can join… Yes, is a continent, not a country)
> - I will send main topic one week earlier (but it will be an open QA/brainstorm session).
> - You can send me topics you want to discuss anytime
> - I will *invite* (I mean: force) relevant people for topics to talk (for example, Denis to talk about remote debugging, Pavel/Guille/Christophe about bootstrap)
>
> I still do not know the medium:
> - terf? problem is that a) everybody needs to install a client (is not heavy, but I think there is no linux client) and b) I still don’t know how the thing works ;) (but it would be cool to use a smalltalk app).
> - hangouts? I’m fed up with the 10 limit… we (the consortium) are willing to pay some (not *much*, but some) to have better sessions (we need them also for consortium meetings who always runs out of slots).
> - other?
>
> Well, I will sort out this  before the meeting :)
>
> Anyway… next tech meeting will be… (suspense…)…
>
> Tuesday 27 September 16h UTC
>
> cheers,
> Esteban
>


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Re: [ANN] Regular tech hangouts every month

Ben Coman
An all-way video linkup is not necessarily required.  The two use
cases would be:

* Topic presentations
   - during presentation, one way voice of presenter, questions via
text or queue via text, similar to radio talkback show.
   - possibly live broadcast video.
     - maybe Discord+Twitch  [1].
     - maybe Teamspeak+OpenBroadcast [2]

* General business
   - all-way voice only. Check the tools used by gamers [3].  Discord
is not on that list but it compared favorably when I was researching
it a while ago.

[1] http://www.pcgamer.com/one-year-after-its-launch-discord-is-the-best-voip-service-available/
[2] https://obsproject.com/forum/resources/teamspeak-3-plugin.40/
[3] http://www.makeuseof.com/tag/dont-get-fragged-5-must-have-free-voice-chat-clients-for-gamers-si/

cheers -ben

On Thu, Sep 15, 2016 at 3:24 AM, Dimitris Chloupis
<[hidden email]> wrote:

> My recommendation is that you use a live text chat whatever else you use.
> Generally speaking most video chat clients also include a text chat.  A live
> text chat would allow for more people to participate especially people on
> slow connections. Of course the more people join on a video chat the bigger
> the latency. Voice chat is also tricky for long conversations because you
> have no indication when someone wants to talk or when someone is about to
> talk so people tend to talk one over the other which happens also on video
> chat too.
>
> So by starting with a live text you allow a lot of people to participate to
> the coversation, also in a live text chat you can have several conversations
> going on at the same time which makes things also a lot easier and faster.
>
> I have done Google Hangouts in the past, it was ok, the advantage of the
> hangouts and video chat is that it is dead easy to share a screen so its
> easy to show people what you talking about. I would not try Google Hangouts
> or any other video chat with more than 10 people, it would be crazy 20
> people trying to find an opportunity to speak and the latency making things
> harder.
>
>
>
> On Wed, Sep 14, 2016 at 10:14 PM stepharo <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> Hi esteban
>>
>> to get started we should use something that does not require videos and
>> see how it works.
>>
>> My teenagers at home use discord.... :(
>>
>> and they told me it works well.
>>
>>
>> Stef
>>
>> Le 14/9/16 à 14:50, Esteban Lorenzano a écrit :
>> > Hi,
>> >
>> > Last board meeting we decided to take some actions to improve
>> > communication and one of the ideas we had is to start some regular meetings
>> > each month, to talk about current release development issues.
>> >
>> > Since I’m the one who will do it, I decided:
>> >
>> > - I will handle those meetings every last Tuesday of every month at 16h
>> > UTC (So people from America-The-Continent can join… Yes, is a continent, not
>> > a country)
>> > - I will send main topic one week earlier (but it will be an open
>> > QA/brainstorm session).
>> > - You can send me topics you want to discuss anytime
>> > - I will *invite* (I mean: force) relevant people for topics to talk
>> > (for example, Denis to talk about remote debugging, Pavel/Guille/Christophe
>> > about bootstrap)
>> >
>> > I still do not know the medium:
>> > - terf? problem is that a) everybody needs to install a client (is not
>> > heavy, but I think there is no linux client) and b) I still don’t know how
>> > the thing works ;) (but it would be cool to use a smalltalk app).
>> > - hangouts? I’m fed up with the 10 limit… we (the consortium) are
>> > willing to pay some (not *much*, but some) to have better sessions (we need
>> > them also for consortium meetings who always runs out of slots).
>> > - other?
>> >
>> > Well, I will sort out this  before the meeting :)
>> >
>> > Anyway… next tech meeting will be… (suspense…)…
>> >
>> > Tuesday 27 September 16h UTC
>> >
>> > cheers,
>> > Esteban
>> >
>>
>>
>