[ANN] Seaside 2.8 beta
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As of today Seaside 2.8 is going beta and entering code freeze. Anything that did not make it so far into 2.8 (like configuration inheritance refactoring) will not be in the 2.8 release. New features will have to wait for 2.9. Seaside 2.8 has been in production use for quite some time now so we are quite confident about its stability despite some minor known bugs (see bugtracker). When exactly the final release will be depends on how many bug reports come in and obviously how fast they will be fixed but we don't expect it to be too far away. A new version of Scriptaculous and Comet will be released at the same date. To get Seaside 2.8 for Squeak load it from SqueakMap or directly load Seaside2.8a1-lr.462.mcz from the Seaside repository [4]. And update for universes should follow soon. We hope that there will be an updated version for VisualWorks soon. Check out the Seaside homepage for new features [1] and a migration guide [2]. If you use Squeak, do not load Seaise 2.8 into an image that has 2.7 or an earlier version loaded. It will break your image. If you are looking for a way to get involved into the Seaside project without contributing code we are looking for a maintainer for the homepage. You can an also buy official Seaise T-shirts at our webshop [3]. The presentation Lukas did at ESUG today is available at [5]. Cheers The Seaside Team [1] http://www.seaside.st/community/development/seaside28a1 [2] http://www.seaside.st/documentation/migration [3] http://seaside.spreadshirt.net/ [4] http://www.squeaksource.com/Seaside.html [5] http://www.lukas-renggli.ch/smalltalk/seaside/seaside-past-present-future.pdf _______________________________________________ Seaside mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside |
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Thanks for your GREAT job!
Lukas presentation was really cool and showing that you really did an excellent job. stef On 30 août 07, at 15:39, Philippe Marschall wrote: > Hi > > As of today Seaside 2.8 is going beta and entering code freeze. > Anything that did not make it so far into 2.8 (like configuration > inheritance refactoring) will not be in the 2.8 release. New features > will have to wait for 2.9. Seaside 2.8 has been in production use for > quite some time now so we are quite confident about its stability > despite some minor known bugs (see bugtracker). When exactly the final > release will be depends on how many bug reports come in and obviously > how fast they will be fixed but we don't expect it to be too far away. > A new version of Scriptaculous and Comet will be released at the same > date. > > To get Seaside 2.8 for Squeak load it from SqueakMap or directly load > Seaside2.8a1-lr.462.mcz from the Seaside repository [4]. And update > for universes should follow soon. > We hope that there will be an updated version for VisualWorks soon. > > Check out the Seaside homepage for new features [1] and a migration > guide [2]. > > If you use Squeak, do not load Seaise 2.8 into an image that has 2.7 > or an earlier version loaded. It will break your image. > > If you are looking for a way to get involved into the Seaside project > without contributing code we are looking for a maintainer for the > homepage. You can an also buy official Seaise T-shirts at our webshop > [3]. The presentation Lukas did at ESUG today is available at [5]. > > Cheers > The Seaside Team > > [1] http://www.seaside.st/community/development/seaside28a1 > [2] http://www.seaside.st/documentation/migration > [3] http://seaside.spreadshirt.net/ > [4] http://www.squeaksource.com/Seaside.html > [5] http://www.lukas-renggli.ch/smalltalk/seaside/seaside-past- > present-future.pdf > _______________________________________________ > Seaside mailing list > [hidden email] > http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside > _______________________________________________ Seaside mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside |
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> Check out the Seaside homepage for new features [1] and a migration guide [2]. There's - removed WAModLisp, use fast_cgi instead -> we do not depend on KomServices anymore How can I set up fast_cgi with Seaside? _______________________________________________ Seaside mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside |
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> Check out the Seaside homepage for new features [1] and a migration guide [2]. There's - removed WAModLisp, use fast_cgi instead -> we do not depend on KomServices anymore How can I set up fast_cgi with Seaside? _______________________________________________ Seaside mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside |
Re: [ANN] Seaside 2.8 beta
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2007/8/31, "S.J.Chun" <[hidden email]>:
> > > Check out the Seaside homepage for new features [1] and a migration guide [2]. > > There's > - removed WAModLisp, use fast_cgi instead -> we do not depend on KomServices anymore > > How can I set up fast_cgi with Seaside? In Squeak (check Wiki too): http://www.squeaksource.com/FCGI.html You can of course continue to use Kom which is still supported. It's just that we do a any subclasses of Kom-Services anymore in the code. Cheers Philippe > _______________________________________________ > Seaside mailing list > [hidden email] > http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside > > _______________________________________________ Seaside mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside |
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2007/8/30, Philippe Marschall <[hidden email]>:
> To get Seaside 2.8 for Squeak load it from SqueakMap or directly load > Seaside2.8a1-lr.462.mcz from the Seaside repository [4]. And update > for universes should follow soon. The development universe has been updated. A squeak-web beta image will soon be released too. -- Damien Cassou _______________________________________________ Seaside mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside |
Re: [ANN] Seaside 2.8 beta
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2007/9/3, Damien Cassou <[hidden email]>:
> 2007/8/30, Philippe Marschall <[hidden email]>: > > To get Seaside 2.8 for Squeak load it from SqueakMap or directly load > > Seaside2.8a1-lr.462.mcz from the Seaside repository [4]. And update > > for universes should follow soon. > > The development universe has been updated. A squeak-web beta image > will soon be released too. Thanks for all the work. Cheers Philippe > -- > Damien Cassou > _______________________________________________ > Seaside mailing list > [hidden email] > http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside > _______________________________________________ Seaside mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside |
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> We hope that there will be an updated version for VisualWorks soon.
Seaside for VisualWorks is now updated. See on the public repository - SeasideForWebToolkit(2.8a1.466.0,mbany) - SeasideForSwazoo(2.8a1.466.0,mbany) - SeasideScriptaculous(2.8a1.216.0,mbany) - SeasideTestingBundle(R1.5.5.0,mbany) Enjoy, Michel. _______________________________________________ Seaside mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside |
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Hi Michel, I have a couple of questions in regards to Seaside on VW:
1) How does one port a Seaside application to Gemstone/S VM in terms of namespaces? I would
like to use GLASS as my deployment platform but use VW as the development platform. 2) When upgrading to SeasideForWebToolkit(2.8a1.466.0,mbany), does the system load the other
packages (i.e. easideScriptaculous(2.8a1.216.0,mbany) and SeasideTestingBundle(R1.5.5.0,mbany)? 3) Does the SeasideForSwazoo(2.8a1.466.0
,mbany) use Swazoo 2.0? 4) Is there any advantage to using SeasideForSwazoo(2.8a1.466.0,mbany) over SeasideForWebToolkit(2.8a1.466.0,mbany) in regards to performance?
Thanks in advance, -Conrad On 9/3/07,
Bany, Michel <[hidden email]> wrote: > We hope that there will be an updated version for VisualWorks soon. _______________________________________________ Seaside mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside |
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Hi Conrad,
Hi Michel, I have a couple of questions in regards to Seaside on VW: I'm certainly not the best person to answer your
question, since I have no experience with Gemstone.
No
It is intended to work with Swazoo as shipped on the VW
distribution, i.e. Swazoo 1.0.
I just tried it myself with Swazoo 2.0 and could
see that SeasideForSwazoo does not work on top of Swazoo
2.0.
While trying it, I could see that supporting Swazoo 2.0
is nothing trivial, so it
will take its little time before it is
supported.
So far my target for Seaside was WebToolkit, because it is
the Cincom supported web environment in VW.
I created the Swazoo bindings just to convince myself that
there is no WebToolkit dependency in the port.
However, I never compared the performance of the two. I
guess they must be somehow more or less kind of equal.
On the other hand, it appears that Swazoo is the server of
choice for some Seaside users, so there must be some advantage in
Swazoo but I do not remember what the motivations were.
I see some contradictions in your questions : you care
about the performance of two VW solutions while your deployment target is
Gemstone. I would better understand if you were querying about the performance
advantage of using Gemstone over VW.
HTH
Michel.
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Re: [ANN] Seaside 2.8 for VW
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2007/9/3, Bany, Michel <[hidden email]>:
> > > Hi Conrad, > > Hi Michel, I have a couple of questions in regards to Seaside on VW: > > > 1) How does one port a Seaside application to Gemstone/S VM in terms of > namespaces? I would > like to use GLASS as my deployment platform but use VW as the > development platform. > I'm certainly not the best person to answer your question, since I have no > experience with Gemstone. > > 2) When upgrading to SeasideForWebToolkit(2.8a1.466.0,mbany), does the > system load the other > packages (i.e. SeasideScriptaculous(2.8a1.216.0,mbany) > and SeasideTestingBundle(R1.5.5.0,mbany)? > No > > > > > 3) Does the SeasideForSwazoo(2.8a1.466.0 ,mbany) use Swazoo 2.0? > > It is intended to work with Swazoo as shipped on the VW distribution, i.e. > Swazoo 1.0. > I just tried it myself with Swazoo 2.0 and could see that SeasideForSwazoo > does not work on top of Swazoo 2.0. > While trying it, I could see that supporting Swazoo 2.0 is nothing trivial, > so it will take its little time before it is supported. I have a very basic server adpater for Swazoo 2 running. I'll post it later today. Cheers Philippe > > 4) Is there any advantage to using SeasideForSwazoo(2.8a1.466.0,mbany) over > > SeasideForWebToolkit(2.8a1.466.0,mbany) in regards to performance? > So far my target for Seaside was WebToolkit, because it is the Cincom > supported web environment in VW. > I created the Swazoo bindings just to convince myself that there is no > WebToolkit dependency in the port. > However, I never compared the performance of the two. I guess they must be > somehow more or less kind of equal. > On the other hand, it appears that Swazoo is the server of choice for some > Seaside users, so there must be some advantage in Swazoo but I do not > remember what the motivations were. > > I see some contradictions in your questions : you care about the performance > of two VW solutions while your deployment target is Gemstone. I would better > understand if you were querying about the performance advantage of using > Gemstone over VW. > > HTH > Michel. > > _______________________________________________ > Seaside mailing list > [hidden email] > http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside > > Seaside mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside |
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Hi Michel, I didn't ask the question in regards to Gemstone/S VM or the underlying server because I don't have access to that environment. The only HTTP server environments that I have access to in regards to are the following:
Swazoo 1.0 (Squeak/VW) WebToolkit (VW) Komache (Squeak) -Conrad
On 9/3/07, Philippe Marschall <[hidden email]> wrote: 2007/9/3, Bany, Michel <[hidden email]>: _______________________________________________ Seaside mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside |
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Hi, is it necessary to install this dev-image just because of the update in Seaside? If so, is it possible to simply do the update both of these packages without getting rid of my current image? I received so many errors messages last time that I ended up doing this.
-Conrad
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Re: [ANN] Seaside 2.8 beta
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2007/9/3, Conrad Taylor <[hidden email]>:
> Hi, is it necessary to install this dev-image just because of the update in > Seaside? No. You can load the new version either via Universes, SqeakMap or Monticello. > If so, is it possible to simply do the update both of these > packages without getting rid of my current image? You can not upgrade a Squeak image from Seaside 2.7 or an earlier version. It will break your image. Cheers Philippe > I received so many errors > messages last time that I ended up doing this. > > -Conrad > > > On 9/3/07, Damien Cassou <[hidden email] > wrote: > > 2007/8/30, Philippe Marschall <[hidden email] >: > > > To get Seaside 2.8 for Squeak load it from SqueakMap or directly load > > > Seaside2.8a1-lr.462.mcz from the Seaside repository [4]. And update > > > for universes should follow soon. > > > > The development universe has been updated. A squeak-web beta image > > will soon be released too. > > > > -- > > Damien Cassou > > _______________________________________________ > > Seaside mailing list > > [hidden email] > > > http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Seaside mailing list > [hidden email] > http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside > > Seaside mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside |
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2007/9/3, Conrad Taylor <[hidden email]>:
> Hi, is it necessary to install this dev-image just because of the update in > Seaside? If so, is it possible to simply do the update both of these > packages without getting rid of my current image? I received so many errors > messages last time that I ended up doing this. Take care that updating an image often does not work. You may want to save before. Moreover, I would advise you to change your image often and reinstall your code in it. You will then be sure that your packages can be loaded. Different projects have been lost because developers gave images instead of just packages. -- Damien Cassou _______________________________________________ Seaside mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside |
Re: [ANN] Seaside 2.8 beta
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2007/9/4, Damien Cassou <[hidden email]>:
> 2007/9/3, Conrad Taylor <[hidden email]>: > > Hi, is it necessary to install this dev-image just because of the update in > > Seaside? If so, is it possible to simply do the update both of these > > packages without getting rid of my current image? I received so many errors > > messages last time that I ended up doing this. > > Take care that updating an image often does not work. You may want to > save before. Moreover, I would advise you to change your image often > and reinstall your code in it. You will then be sure that your > packages can be loaded. Different projects have been lost because > developers gave images instead of just packages. If we had working continuous integration that would build images ..... Cheers Phlippe > -- > Damien Cassou > _______________________________________________ > Seaside mailing list > [hidden email] > http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside > _______________________________________________ Seaside mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside |
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Yes, I'm looking for a continuous type integration because it's a chore reinstall all the packages that I installed in the previous dev-image. For example, I need to reinstall GLORP and it's associated prerequisites and dependencies. Then I need to reconfigure all the preferences that were set in the previous image again. In short, anything that I saved in the previous image needs to be done again.
-Conrad
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2007/9/4, Conrad Taylor <[hidden email]>:
> Yes, I'm looking for a continuous type integration because it's a chore > reinstall all the packages that I installed in the previous dev-image. For > example, I need to reinstall GLORP and it's associated prerequisites and > dependencies. Why don't you add GLORP to the universe? It's easy and will really ease future installations for everyone. http://wiki.squeak.org/squeak/5899 > Then I need to reconfigure all the preferences that were set > in the previous image again. In short, anything that I saved in the > previous image needs to be done again. Creates a script and file it in on all new images :-). In fact, that's exactly how the squeak-dev images has been created. -- Damien Cassou _______________________________________________ Seaside mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside |
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On Tue, 2007-09-04 at 17:14 +0200, Damien Cassou wrote: > 2007/9/4, Conrad Taylor <[hidden email]>: > > Yes, I'm looking for a continuous type integration because it's a chore > > reinstall all the packages that I installed in the previous dev-image. For > > example, I need to reinstall GLORP and it's associated prerequisites and > > dependencies. > > > Why don't you add GLORP to the universe? It's easy and will really > ease future installations for everyone. > http://wiki.squeak.org/squeak/5899 > > It is under category Persistence and is called Glorp 0.4.129 Norbert _______________________________________________ Seaside mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside |
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> On Tue, 2007-09-04 at 17:14 +0200, Damien Cassou wrote: > > 2007/9/4, Conrad Taylor <[hidden email]>: > > > Yes, I'm looking for a continuous type integration because it's a > > > chore reinstall all the packages that I installed in the previous > > > dev-image. For example, I need to reinstall GLORP and it's > > > associated prerequisites and dependencies. > > > > > > Why don't you add GLORP to the universe? It's easy and will really > > ease future installations for everyone. > > http://wiki.squeak.org/squeak/5899 > > > > > I did it. It is really far from difficult :) It is under > category Persistence and is called Glorp 0.4.129 > > Norbert What version of Glorp did you put in there? Todd's latest port, or Rado's old one? Ramon Leon http://onsmalltalk.com _______________________________________________ Seaside mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside |
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