[ANN] Seaside One-Click Experience

Hi

There has been a lot of talk recently about improving the Smalltalk,
Squeak and Seaside experience for new users. Especially to make it
easier and faster to get started. The two vendors that support Seaside
are working in this area. That does not mean Squeak can not lead the
way. Today we present you the Seaside One-Click Experience [1]  for OS
X, Windows and Linux based on the work done by the Sophie Project [2].
Just download the zip-archive, extract it and double click on the
executable for your platform and you have Seaside 2.8 final running.

Cheers
The Squeak Seaside Team

[1] http://www.seaside.st/download/squeak#167943699
[2] http://www.sophieproject.org/
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Very nice. Easiest installation of an application server I ever did :)
I just don't understand what it has to do with Sophie.


Norbert

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> Very nice. Easiest installation of an application server I ever did :)
> I just don't understand what it has to do with Sophie.

It is packaged the same way as Sophie is. The image, the icons and
some other settings are different though. We mention this to give the
original authors credit.

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Great job! Some of my PHP friends are a bit lost when they try
Squeak/Seaside by themselves. Now they got no reason to start learning
seaside. Except the lack of database, this bundle is even easier to use
than preinstalled php/mysql/apache/joomla-or-else system.  

Will there be a native 64-bit linux version?

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Philippe Marschall a écrit :
| Hi
|
| There has been a lot of talk recently about improving the Smalltalk,
| Squeak and Seaside experience for new users. Especially to make it
| easier and faster to get started. The two vendors that support Seaside
| are working in this area. That does not mean Squeak can not lead the
| way. Today we present you the Seaside One-Click Experience [1]  for OS
| X, Windows and Linux based on the work done by the Sophie Project [2].
| Just download the zip-archive, extract it and double click on the
| executable for your platform and you have Seaside 2.8 final running.
|
| Cheers
| The Squeak Seaside Team
|
| [1] http://www.seaside.st/download/squeak#167943699
| [2] http://www.sophieproject.org/
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Philippe Marschall a écrit :

Cool !
What you think about the idea to package Squeak the same way ?

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2007/11/10, Martial Boniou <[hidden email]>:
> Great job! Some of my PHP friends are a bit lost when they try
> Squeak/Seaside by themselves. Now they got no reason to start learning
> seaside. Except the lack of database, this bundle is even easier to use
> than preinstalled php/mysql/apache/joomla-or-else system.
>
> Will there be a native 64-bit linux version?

I'm not sure 64-bit Linux users are the ones looking for a one-click
experience ;)

Now seriously it will run under 64-bit Linux (or Windows) in emulation
mode. If there is a strong enough demand from users we could include a
64-bit Linux VM.

Cheers
Philippe

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excellent initiative.

Stef

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On Nov 10, 2007, at 13:04 , Philippe Marschall wrote:

It should be noted that the work done by the Sophie Project is based  
on the original work of impara [3] for Plopp [4]. I know, because I  
developed that packaging structure while working at impara (though it  
did not occur to us to call it “one-click”). Anyway, great to see it  
put to good use in other projects!

- Bert -

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Philippe Marschall a écrit :
| 2007/11/10, Martial Boniou <[hidden email]>:
| > Great job! Some of my PHP friends are a bit lost when they try
| > Squeak/Seaside by themselves. Now they got no reason to start learning
| > seaside. Except the lack of database, this bundle is even easier to use
| > than preinstalled php/mysql/apache/joomla-or-else system.
| >
| > Will there be a native 64-bit linux version?
|
| I'm not sure 64-bit Linux users are the ones looking for a one-click
| experience ;)
I agree. Generally not.
 
| Now seriously it will run under 64-bit Linux (or Windows) in emulation
| mode. If there is a strong enough demand from users we could include a
| 64-bit Linux VM.
But I know lazy people on Linux 64bit who develop with C++/PHP and we
want to give Seaside a try if it's plug 'n play but I cannot build/test
a 64 bit vm because I haven't got any 64 bit machine.
However, if nobody asks for a 64bit version, just forget this idea.
 
| Cheers
| Philippe

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| > Martial
| >
| > Philippe Marschall a écrit :
| > | Hi
| > |
| > | There has been a lot of talk recently about improving the Smalltalk,
| > | Squeak and Seaside experience for new users. Especially to make it
| > | easier and faster to get started. The two vendors that support Seaside
| > | are working in this area. That does not mean Squeak can not lead the
| > | way. Today we present you the Seaside One-Click Experience [1]  for OS
| > | X, Windows and Linux based on the work done by the Sophie Project [2].
| > | Just download the zip-archive, extract it and double click on the
| > | executable for your platform and you have Seaside 2.8 final running.
| > |
| > | Cheers
| > | The Squeak Seaside Team
| > |
| > | [1] http://www.seaside.st/download/squeak#167943699
| > | [2] http://www.sophieproject.org/
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Hi,

Thanks for the one  click experience -- but are the mouse buttons
configured to meet new users expectations.  I presume that most new
users will be working on MS Windows OS.

In my experience the right mouse button normally opens a context menu.
Displaying the halos may only confuse a new user.  And they may not
even think to use the middle button, or know how to find the
preferences browser.

Just my 2c worth but thanks again for putting this together.  As an
occasional dabbler in squeak it is difficult to keep track of the
required versions of squeak and the packages to reliably install
Seaside.
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Hi

I agree that One-Click is the way to go to attract new users, congratulations.

One bug report, though. SqueakMap is not working.

Also a suggestion: the "Release date" or version could be reported
(2.8-final does not help much). Since some minor tweaks are required
now and then (maybe updates too), it is better to let the user know
when a new version is available.

Cheers

Carlos

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I've just tried the one-click - the examplebrowser doesn't work.

(using mac leopard safari if that's relevant)

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The examplebrowser doesn't work at all. Awaiting a bug correction, you
can reach the browser (even on safari leopard) by 'Toggle Halos' in the
bottom menu (which can be disactivated if you configure your application
saying 'Deployment mode' is true). Then click on the first icon and
you'll get the browser.

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| I've just tried the one-click - the examplebrowser doesn't work.
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| (using mac leopard safari if that's relevant)
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> The examplebrowser doesn't work at all. Awaiting a bug correction, you
> can reach the browser (even on safari leopard) by 'Toggle Halos' in the
> bottom menu (which can be disactivated if you configure your application
> saying 'Deployment mode' is true). Then click on the first icon and
> you'll get the browser.

Load Magritte-Seaside-lr.250 and the example browser will work.

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Hi Lukas,

That's what I was thinking about. It works.

Cheers,

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| > The examplebrowser doesn't work at all. Awaiting a bug correction, you
| > can reach the browser (even on safari leopard) by 'Toggle Halos' in the
| > bottom menu (which can be disactivated if you configure your application
| > saying 'Deployment mode' is true). Then click on the first icon and
| > you'll get the browser.
|
| Load Magritte-Seaside-lr.250 and the example browser will work.
|
| Cheers,
| Lukas
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I was talking about the version made available to the public through the
seaside website - that example does not work.

In another posting, I also drew attention to the external view of Seaside
with regard to the references to the sushi example on the web.

These look remarkably inconsistent to an outsider coming fresh to the topic
and looking up information about Seaside.

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Lukas

I'm not sure if it was clear. It was the one-click software straight off the
seaside site - and it didn't work.

Yours

Bob



> The examplebrowser doesn't work at all. Awaiting a bug correction, you
> can reach the browser (even on safari leopard) by 'Toggle Halos' in the
> bottom menu (which can be disactivated if you configure your application
> saying 'Deployment mode' is true). Then click on the first icon and
> you'll get the browser.

Load Magritte-Seaside-lr.250 and the example browser will work.

Cheers,
Lukas

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> I'm not sure if it was clear. It was the one-click software straight off the
> seaside site - and it didn't work.

Yes, you were clear. I fixed it, but I didn't had time to upload an
updated version yet. Preparing a new distribution always requires some
work, I will see if I find some today.

Cheers,
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> That's what I was thinking about. It works.

I uploaded a version that fixes the reported bugs. It also contains
the sushi store for all the sushi lovers.

Cheers,
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Thanks lukas.
I think that you are really doing a great work.
I like to see it again and again. Because I know what it is to do  
something like a release
and sometimes we only get the people complaining ... and after a  
while it slowly kills your energy.
So thanks.

Stef



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