[ANN] SeasideTesting recovered from oblivion
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Hi,
I spend some days last week woking with the guys of AFI (http://afi-sa.fr, yes they also use Pharo in some of their projects) and together we recovered SeasideTesting from Davis Shaffer to be used for their TDD experience. you can check it out here: https://github.com/Afibre/SeasideTesting What’s SeasideTesting? A package to test Seaside components. Why we do not use Parasol? Because it is based on selenium and that makes the process slow. Where can I know more? - there is some documentation here (for VW, I think): http://www.shaffer-consulting.com/david/Seaside/TestingComponents/TestingComponents.html - some slides here (on squeak): http://esug.org/data/ESUG2005/Wednesday/2005-ESUG-Shaffer.pdf but all that is old. Best way is to just install and see the tests, as always, cheers! Esteban _______________________________________________ seaside mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside |
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Great to hear! I use this on some older projects, and found the documentation helpful, but also sketchy. Hopefully you can update things. Will your resurected version work with Visualworks? On Mon, Oct 23, 2017 at 3:04 AM, Esteban Lorenzano <[hidden email]> wrote:
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I don’t know... we maintained SeasideTesting at http://smalltalkhub.com/#!/~Seaside/SeasideTesting/ until we developed Parasol because it just covers some bare-bones html page testing. Forget about JavaScript and css influence on your tests in seaside testing.
I think we prefer a slower but accurate testing proces, using Parasol. Johan
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Cool. Need to think where it is useful. On the one hand testing without external components is good. On the other hand you can only test very simple stuff with it. But there might be a place. Btw. you don‘t need selenium with parasol. You can use chrome-standalone which implements the same protocol. Norbert
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NorbertHartl wrote
> Cool. Need to think where it is useful. On the one hand testing without > external components is good. On the other hand you can only test very > simple stuff with it. In the Ruby RSpec/Cucumber world, testing is though of as two concentric circles. First are the unit tests which are blazing fast because you mock/stub out everything, then your acceptance tests which test the application as a whole. So you only run the real (slow) tests after the fast tests have all passed. Even in the Cucumber acceptance test cycle, there are three options: 1. Direct Model Access - similar to unit tests and is useful for setup code or for code that is cumbersome to simulate 2. Simulated browser - uses a framework to simulate the actual get/put/post(s). When I was programming in Ruby, one big limitation was that you could not test JS this way. 3. Automated browser - e.g. Selenium It was a bit of an art form to figure out which technique to apply in each situation, balancing ease with testing value. For anyone interested in TDD, I would highly recommend investigating the rspec/Cucumber process which IMHO took Smalltalk's original invention and strapped rocket boosters to it! The RSpec and Cucumber books are great places to start. Also, check out Dan North's BDD (Behavioral…) philosophy on which the frameworks are based. One of my dream projects is to take what they did, and turn it from dead text files into a real model in a live Smalltalk image. That would be truly special, but in my experience hits a double blue plane wall - Smalltalkers think "We can't learn anything from Ruby. We invented TDD! BDD is just a trendy acronym for what we've been doing for decades" (spoiler alert - it's not) and Rubyers have the all-to-familiar "OMG, an image?! Where are my beloved files?! I can't use emacs?!?! Nooo!!!"* * yes, it seems someone made it so that you can use emacs with Pharo, but you get the idea ----- Cheers, Sean -- Sent from: http://forum.world.st/Seaside-General-f86180.html _______________________________________________ seaside mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside
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