[ANN] SeasideXUL

> Hi all,
>
> I started the project named SeasideXUL. This package enables to
> generate XUL (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XUL) code in Seaside 2.9 so
> now we can create applications with standard look&feel directly in
> Smalltalk with the power of Seaside.
>
> Pictures are worth more than thousand words:
> http://comtalk.eu/public/pub/SeasideXUL/screenshots/
>
> XUL can be displayed directly in FireFox or there's a project named
> XULRunner that enables to run it as a standalone application (see
> screenshots, the application then can use own shortcuts etc.) but
> still in thin-client/server architecture. Standard HTML or SVG code
> can be embedded in XUL page.
>
> I had to created ajax-based call/answer mechanism with continuations
> for SeasideXUL. The complete port of XUL Periodic Table
> (http://www.hevanet.com/acorbin/xul/top.xul) is included as the
> demonstration application. However lot of next things wait for
> implementation (e.g. some alternative to forms) or need to be made
> more robust and easily usable (whole ajax part).
>
> Seaside 2.9 is quite hard to load and SeasideXUL doesn't reflect some
> latest changes in this package (Seaside 2.9 is still under heavy
> development) so if you want to try SeasideXUL on your own in this
> stage of development, do not await a nice walk through a rosarium. It
> was developed on this set of packages:
>
> Scriptaculous-Components (Scriptaculous-Components-lr.41)
> Scriptaculous-Core (Scriptaculous-Core-lr.18)
> Scriptaculous-Squeak-Core (Scriptaculous-Squeak-Core-lr.1)
> Scriptaculous-Tests (Scriptaculous-Tests-lr.21)
> Seaside-Adapters-Core (Seaside-Adapters-Core-pmm.3)
> Seaside-Core (Seaside-Core-lr.120)
> Seaside-Development-Core (Seaside-Development-Core-lr.20)
> Seaside-Examples (Seaside-Examples-pmm.1)
> Seaside-Squeak-Adapters (Seaside-Squeak-Adapters-mu.7)
> Seaside-Squeak-Core (Seaside-Squeak-Core-dkh.38)
> Seaside-Squeak-Development (Seaside-Squeak-Development-pmm.10)
> Seaside-Squeak-Kom (Seaside-Squeak-Kom-pmm.13)
> Seaside-Tests (Seaside-Tests-dkh.102)
> Seaside-Utils-Core (Seaside-Utils-Core-lr.7)
>
> Scriptaculous dependency should be removed in next versions.
>
> Mozilla seems to be pretty strong platform provider and future
> versions of FireFox should be based directly on the XULRunner. I hope
> that we did the important step to gain multi-platform and
> multi-implementation user interface framework for Smalltalk.
>
> Cheers,
> -- Pavel
> _______________________________________________
> seaside mailing list
> [hidden email]
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>
>  I have just a few weeks ago started to consider XULRunner for my next
>  application, so this is really exciting. I was wondering if it would be
>  possible to make your image available to play with the XUL user interface
>  demo port...
>
>  Thanks Milan
>
>
>
>  On 2008 April 13, Pavel Krivanek wrote:
>  > Hi all,
>  >
>  > I started the project named SeasideXUL. This package enables to
>  > generate XUL (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XUL) code in Seaside 2.9 so
>  > now we can create applications with standard look&feel directly in
>  > Smalltalk with the power of Seaside.
>  >
>  > Pictures are worth more than thousand words:
>  > http://comtalk.eu/public/pub/SeasideXUL/screenshots/
>  >
>  > XUL can be displayed directly in FireFox or there's a project named
>  > XULRunner that enables to run it as a standalone application (see
>  > screenshots, the application then can use own shortcuts etc.) but
>  > still in thin-client/server architecture. Standard HTML or SVG code
>  > can be embedded in XUL page.
>  >
>  > I had to created ajax-based call/answer mechanism with continuations
>  > for SeasideXUL. The complete port of XUL Periodic Table
>  > (http://www.hevanet.com/acorbin/xul/top.xul) is included as the
>  > demonstration application. However lot of next things wait for
>  > implementation (e.g. some alternative to forms) or need to be made
>  > more robust and easily usable (whole ajax part).
>  >
>  > Seaside 2.9 is quite hard to load and SeasideXUL doesn't reflect some
>  > latest changes in this package (Seaside 2.9 is still under heavy
>  > development) so if you want to try SeasideXUL on your own in this
>  > stage of development, do not await a nice walk through a rosarium. It
>  > was developed on this set of packages:
>  >
>  > Scriptaculous-Components (Scriptaculous-Components-lr.41)
>  > Scriptaculous-Core (Scriptaculous-Core-lr.18)
>  > Scriptaculous-Squeak-Core (Scriptaculous-Squeak-Core-lr.1)
>  > Scriptaculous-Tests (Scriptaculous-Tests-lr.21)
>  > Seaside-Adapters-Core (Seaside-Adapters-Core-pmm.3)
>  > Seaside-Core (Seaside-Core-lr.120)
>  > Seaside-Development-Core (Seaside-Development-Core-lr.20)
>  > Seaside-Examples (Seaside-Examples-pmm.1)
>  > Seaside-Squeak-Adapters (Seaside-Squeak-Adapters-mu.7)
>  > Seaside-Squeak-Core (Seaside-Squeak-Core-dkh.38)
>  > Seaside-Squeak-Development (Seaside-Squeak-Development-pmm.10)
>  > Seaside-Squeak-Kom (Seaside-Squeak-Kom-pmm.13)
>  > Seaside-Tests (Seaside-Tests-dkh.102)
>  > Seaside-Utils-Core (Seaside-Utils-Core-lr.7)
>  >
>  > Scriptaculous dependency should be removed in next versions.
>  >
>  > Mozilla seems to be pretty strong platform provider and future
>  > versions of FireFox should be based directly on the XULRunner. I hope
>  > that we did the important step to gain multi-platform and
>  > multi-implementation user interface framework for Smalltalk.
>  >
>  > Cheers,
>  > -- Pavel
>  > _______________________________________________
>  > seaside mailing list
>  > [hidden email]
>  > http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside
>
>  _______________________________________________
>  seaside mailing list
>  [hidden email]
>  http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside
>

> Pavel Krivanek schrieb:
>
>
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I started the project named SeasideXUL. This package enables to
> > generate XUL (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XUL) code in Seaside 2.9 so
> > now we can create applications with standard look&feel directly in
> > Smalltalk with the power of Seaside.
> >
>
>  Very cool!
>
>  Would a 2.8 port be technically possible, or is Seaside 2.9 required?

> -----Mensaje original-----
> De: [hidden email]
> [mailto:[hidden email]] En nombre
> de Pavel Krivanek
> Enviado el: Lunes, 14 de Abril de 2008 09:12
> Para: Seaside - general discussion
> Asunto: Re: [Seaside] [ANN] SeasideXUL
>
> On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 11:21 AM, Holger Kleinsorgen
> <[hidden email]> wrote:
> > Pavel Krivanek schrieb:
> >
> >
> > > Hi all,
> > >
> > > I started the project named SeasideXUL. This package enables to
> > > generate XUL (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XUL) code in
> Seaside 2.9 so
> > > now we can create applications with standard look&feel directly in
> > > Smalltalk with the power of Seaside.
> > >
> >
> >  Very cool!
> >
> >  Would a 2.8 port be technically possible, or is Seaside
> 2.9 required?
>
> I tried to back-port  it (version SeasideXUL-pk.48.mcz) and SeasideXUL
> seems to work - even the call/answer mechanism. I've chosen the
> version 2.9 in the beginning because I didn't know how deep changes
> will I have to do in Seaside and the development version seemed to be
> better starting point. Fortunately it was easier than I expected and
> no changes directly in the Seaside core were necessary. Funny, because
> initially I expected that the most reasonable way will be the start
> with a new framework ;-). Btw. this project started on the 3th of
> April 2008 so it's real newborn.
>
> So now the development will continue on Seaside 2.8.
>
> enjoy...
>
> -- Pavel
>
> >
> >
> >  _______________________________________________
> >  seaside mailing list
> >  [hidden email]
> >  http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside
> >
> _______________________________________________
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>         thanks,
>
>  Sebastian Sastre
>
>
>
>  > -----Mensaje original-----
>  > De: [hidden email]
>  > [mailto:[hidden email]] En nombre
>  > de Pavel Krivanek
>  > Enviado el: Lunes, 14 de Abril de 2008 09:12
>  > Para: Seaside - general discussion
>  > Asunto: Re: [Seaside] [ANN] SeasideXUL
>
>
> >
>  > On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 11:21 AM, Holger Kleinsorgen
>  > <[hidden email]> wrote:
>  > > Pavel Krivanek schrieb:
>  > >
>  > >
>  > > > Hi all,
>  > > >
>  > > > I started the project named SeasideXUL. This package enables to
>  > > > generate XUL (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XUL) code in
>  > Seaside 2.9 so
>  > > > now we can create applications with standard look&feel directly in
>  > > > Smalltalk with the power of Seaside.
>  > > >
>  > >
>  > >  Very cool!
>  > >
>  > >  Would a 2.8 port be technically possible, or is Seaside
>  > 2.9 required?
>  >
>  > I tried to back-port  it (version SeasideXUL-pk.48.mcz) and SeasideXUL
>  > seems to work - even the call/answer mechanism. I've chosen the
>  > version 2.9 in the beginning because I didn't know how deep changes
>  > will I have to do in Seaside and the development version seemed to be
>  > better starting point. Fortunately it was easier than I expected and
>  > no changes directly in the Seaside core were necessary. Funny, because
>  > initially I expected that the most reasonable way will be the start
>  > with a new framework ;-). Btw. this project started on the 3th of
>  > April 2008 so it's real newborn.
>  >
>  > So now the development will continue on Seaside 2.8.
>  >
>  > enjoy...
>  >
>  > -- Pavel
>  >
>  > >
>  > >
>  > >  _______________________________________________
>  > >  seaside mailing list
>  > >  [hidden email]
>  > >  http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside
>  > >
>  > _______________________________________________
>  > seaside mailing list
>  > [hidden email]
>  > http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside
>
>  _______________________________________________
>  seaside mailing list
>  [hidden email]
>  http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside
>

> Hi Sebastian,
>
>
>  On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 4:30 PM, Sebastian Sastre <[hidden email]> wrote:
>  > Hi Pavel,
>  >
>  >         is good to have more options. Do you want to point articles to read
>  >  about the XUL trends? which big players are behind it, etc?
>
>  I tried to find some some documents with XUL long-term vision but I
>  wasn't successful. Its development is closely bound to Firefox so it's
>  necessary to observe its development. See
>  http://developer.mozilla.org/en/docs/Firefox_3_for_developers#For_XUL_and_extension_developers.
>  No other big player than Mozilla Foundation was adopting XUL as its
>  own although some as IBM are using it. The situation should be more
>  clean when XUL will be more independent.

>
> On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 4:00 AM, Milan Zimmermann
>
> <[hidden email]> wrote:
> >  I have just a few weeks ago started to consider XULRunner for my next
> >  application, so this is really exciting. I was wondering if it would be
> >  possible to make your image available to play with the XUL user
> > interface demo port...
> >
> >  Thanks Milan
> >
> >  On 2008 April 13, Pavel Krivanek wrote:
> >  > Hi all,
> >  >
> >  > I started the project named SeasideXUL. This package enables to
> >  > generate XUL (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XUL) code in Seaside 2.9 so
> >  > now we can create applications with standard look&feel directly in
> >  > Smalltalk with the power of Seaside.
> >  >
> >  > Pictures are worth more than thousand words:
> >  > http://comtalk.eu/public/pub/SeasideXUL/screenshots/
> >  >
> >  > XUL can be displayed directly in FireFox or there's a project named
> >  > XULRunner that enables to run it as a standalone application (see
> >  > screenshots, the application then can use own shortcuts etc.) but
> >  > still in thin-client/server architecture. Standard HTML or SVG code
> >  > can be embedded in XUL page.
> >  >
> >  > I had to created ajax-based call/answer mechanism with continuations
> >  > for SeasideXUL. The complete port of XUL Periodic Table
> >  > (http://www.hevanet.com/acorbin/xul/top.xul) is included as the
> >  > demonstration application. However lot of next things wait for
> >  > implementation (e.g. some alternative to forms) or need to be made
> >  > more robust and easily usable (whole ajax part).
> >  >
> >  > Seaside 2.9 is quite hard to load and SeasideXUL doesn't reflect some
> >  > latest changes in this package (Seaside 2.9 is still under heavy
> >  > development) so if you want to try SeasideXUL on your own in this
> >  > stage of development, do not await a nice walk through a rosarium. It
> >  > was developed on this set of packages:
> >  >
> >  > Scriptaculous-Components (Scriptaculous-Components-lr.41)
> >  > Scriptaculous-Core (Scriptaculous-Core-lr.18)
> >  > Scriptaculous-Squeak-Core (Scriptaculous-Squeak-Core-lr.1)
> >  > Scriptaculous-Tests (Scriptaculous-Tests-lr.21)
> >  > Seaside-Adapters-Core (Seaside-Adapters-Core-pmm.3)
> >  > Seaside-Core (Seaside-Core-lr.120)
> >  > Seaside-Development-Core (Seaside-Development-Core-lr.20)
> >  > Seaside-Examples (Seaside-Examples-pmm.1)
> >  > Seaside-Squeak-Adapters (Seaside-Squeak-Adapters-mu.7)
> >  > Seaside-Squeak-Core (Seaside-Squeak-Core-dkh.38)
> >  > Seaside-Squeak-Development (Seaside-Squeak-Development-pmm.10)
> >  > Seaside-Squeak-Kom (Seaside-Squeak-Kom-pmm.13)
> >  > Seaside-Tests (Seaside-Tests-dkh.102)
> >  > Seaside-Utils-Core (Seaside-Utils-Core-lr.7)
> >  >
> >  > Scriptaculous dependency should be removed in next versions.
> >  >
> >  > Mozilla seems to be pretty strong platform provider and future
> >  > versions of FireFox should be based directly on the XULRunner. I hope
> >  > that we did the important step to gain multi-platform and
> >  > multi-implementation user interface framework for Smalltalk.
> >  >
> >  > Cheers,
> >  > -- Pavel
> >  > _______________________________________________
> >  > seaside mailing list
> >  > [hidden email]
> >  > http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside
> >
> >  _______________________________________________
> >  seaside mailing list
> >  [hidden email]
> >  http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside
>
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