[ANN] (gem)Stone Soup

I have started a blog (<http://gemstonesoup.wordpress.com/>) over on
WordPress to help folks with using GemStone for their Seaside
applications. Considering that noone is using GemStone on Seaside (yet)
I have a little head start for providing some, hopefully, useful
information.

If you have any GemStone/Seaside questions, feel free to drop me a line
and maybe your question will be the basis for a future blog post.

Dale
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Hi Dale,

        that's good, if you allow me, a referece to a well performed
friendly glossary of Gemstone jargon would certainly be a basis of the
access to information. To break the barriers of knowledge of that
information I suggest that beside the allways present glossary, you can use
any reasonable excuse to write at least one post per valuable concept that
Gemstone has, so it rithmically, didactically and friendly you will educate
about the value of that solution.

        Cheers,

Sebastian

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Thanks by the initiative. I will follow your blog, I'm really interested.

Cheers.

gsa.






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I actually had gemstone working quite nicely with my VW based seaside app -- over a year ago.  It was nice and fast with very little hassle.
But the 'sunset license'  provided with VW kept expiring, so I stopped work on that.

resuming development would be great with a "free beer" version!

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Subject: [Seaside] [ANN] (gem)Stone Soup

I have started a blog (<http://gemstonesoup.wordpress.com/>) over on 
WordPress to help folks with using GemStone for their Seaside 
applications. Considering that noone is using GemStone on Seaside (yet) 
I have a little head start for providing some, hopefully, useful 
information.

If you have any GemStone/Seaside questions, feel free to drop me a line 
and maybe your question will be the basis for a future blog post.

Dale
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On 5/8/07, Jon Paynter <[hidden email]> wrote:
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> I actually had gemstone working quite nicely with my VW based seaside app --
> over a year ago.  It was nice and fast with very little hassle.
> But the 'sunset license'  provided with VW kept expiring, so I stopped work
> on that.

Note though that this doesn't involve VW at all - this is running
Seaside right on the Gem, which is much cooler (IMO) than using a
different client Smalltalk.

Cheers,
Avi
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That, plus the fact that free version will not support VisualWorks or
VisualAge connectivity, Squeak only and that's just for tools, i.e. no
transparent replication.

Cheers!

-Boris

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> > I actually had gemstone working quite nicely with my VW based seaside app --
> > over a year ago.  It was nice and fast with very little hassle.
> > But the 'sunset license'  provided with VW kept expiring, so I stopped work
> > on that.
>
> Note though that this doesn't involve VW at all - this is running
> Seaside right on the Gem, which is much cooler (IMO) than using a
> different client Smalltalk.

What if you want to use all the cool Squeak libraries? What if you
can't port your application to run in GemStone?

Cheers,
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Lukas,

In the long run I would hope that the cool Squeak libraries that are
needed by your application will be ported to GemStone.

When I ported SqueakSource to GemStone, I had to also port SmaCC,
TinyWiki, Mewa, VB-Regex, and XML-Parser (I'm not sure that VB-Regex and
XML-Parser are directly used by SqueakSource - I haven't hit any
problems with them in running SqueakSource:). The changes that were
needed to get them to run were relatively minor. Frankly, the majority
of work in porting SqueakSource to GemStone, involved porting it to a
newer version of Seaside with very little work porting it to GemStone.

With that said, I assume that some of the cool libraries will be harder
to port than others. For example, if you rely on functionality in Form
or BitBlt, you'll not find support for them in the current port. But
that's where I think we at GemStone will step in and help provide more
fundamental support. It just happens that I could work around the
absence of Form and BitBlt (for now).

Dale

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On 5/8/07, Lukas Renggli <[hidden email]> wrote:

> What if you want to use all the cool Squeak libraries? What if you
> can't port your application to run in GemStone?

Well, sure, then you can't use it.  But I'd much rather have
transparent persistence baked into the VM, and able to directly access
the disk, then to use proxies and a network protocol.  And I'd hope
that most of the Squeak libs would be portable to GemStone if there
was one you really needed.

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Could we have a few comments on the 64 bit hardware?  I'm sure that  
some folks understand the nuances but a few minutes on Wikipedia has  
made my head hurt.

I assume that the processor needs to be 64 bit and this means either  
AMD64 or Intel's Core 2 (Duo?)?

If I was going to setup a linux box using either RedHat/Suse  
Enterprise x versions what would be an example hardware spec?

Thanks!

Mike


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On 07/05/07, Dale Henrichs <[hidden email]> wrote:
> If you have any GemStone/Seaside questions, feel free to drop me a line
> and maybe your question will be the basis for a future blog post.

Hi Dale,

My question is rather simple and basic:

Where do I get the magic Gemstone+Seaside server and some documentation?

Thanks,
Steve
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Stephan,

Current 2.x Gemstone customers are the only folks with access to
GemStone/Seaside at the moment. It is part of the 2.2 release that we
shipped on 4/27.

We will be starting a Beta program for the Web Edition within the next
month or so ... we need to have functioning tools
(Browser/Debugger/Inspector, etc.) for Squeak and we are still working
on those.

As for documentation, GemStone-specific documentation will be part of
the Web Edition release. GemStone/Seaside documentation will be largely
published on my blog and on http://seaside.gemstone.com, as it becomes
available.

If you're interested in joining the beta program, visit
http://seaside.gemstone.com for info on signing up.

Dale

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> If you're interested in joining the beta program, visit
> http://seaside.gemstone.com for info on signing up.

This doesn't seem to be responding right now.

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Hmm, works from here.

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Works for me now too.

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Avi Bryant wrote:
> Works for me now too.

We had a UPS for one of the network switches in our data center go bad,
we had a few minutes of downtime while they switched it out.

Regards,

-Martin
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