[ANN] new Seaside homepage

> Hi
>
> After too many delays the new Seaside homepage [1] has finally gone
> online. Since we switched hosts it might take a moment until the DNS
> update propagates to you. The first thing you'll notice is the updated
> look for which we no longer have to excuse. We cleaned up the content
> and added a lot of new stuff. Among others you'll find interactive
> examples, feed aggregation Monticello commit logs and the answers to
> often asked questions like 'What is the best Swiss cheese?'. Under the
> hood we made a lot of technology upgrades. We finally run on Seaside
> (2.8) and the Pier CMS with several plug-ins, we are also hosted at
> Seaside-Hosting [2]. The only way to eat more dog food would be
> running on SqueakNOS.
>
> The page is not yet fully finished (and probably never will be) but we
> feel we're at the point where it's significantly better than the old
> one. So if you have suggestions for improvements or want to help get
> in contact with us.
>
> Cheers
> Lukas
> Philippe
>
> [1] http://www.seaside.st
> [2] http://www.seasidehosting.st/
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>

> Hi
>
> After too many delays the new Seaside homepage [1] has finally gone
> online. Since we switched hosts it might take a moment until the DNS
> update propagates to you. The first thing you'll notice is the updated
> look for which we no longer have to excuse. We cleaned up the content
> and added a lot of new stuff. Among others you'll find interactive
> examples, feed aggregation Monticello commit logs and the answers to
> often asked questions like 'What is the best Swiss cheese?'. Under the
> hood we made a lot of technology upgrades. We finally run on Seaside
> (2.8) and the Pier CMS with several plug-ins, we are also hosted at
> Seaside-Hosting [2]. The only way to eat more dog food would be
> running on SqueakNOS.
>
> The page is not yet fully finished (and probably never will be) but we
> feel we're at the point where it's significantly better than the old
> one. So if you have suggestions for improvements or want to help get
> in contact with us.
>
> Cheers
> Lukas
> Philippe
>
> [1] http://www.seaside.st
> [2] http://www.seasidehosting.st/
> _______________________________________________
> Seaside mailing list
> [hidden email]
> http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside
>

> Nice work. It's a good ad for pier cms too. It seems that the header
> should be nicer if it was textured; the white is a bit large.
>
> Is there a vector/SVG/AI/flash logo of Seaside. I'll be glad to have a
> resizeable logo (and a extra-small version like the 'get firefox'
> buttons (20px*80px)).
>
> Finally I have two remarks.
> - I don't like to much the resized image in the box (screenshot section)
> when you have small screens (as I have now). It's nothing but a generic
> issue with this box in seaside. Is there another javascript lightbox
> solution?
> - Is the 'manage' section useful to display? I use Pier too and what I
> did for my personal website is to add a special 'hidden' page for
> administration in dispatcher pointing to the same PRKernel instance but
> displaying the 'manage' section (using a configuration new variable to
> say whether the 'manage' section are displayed or not). So when the user
> access to seaside via:
>
> seaside.st = it displays the page without 'manage'
>
> And when he writes:
>
> seaside.st/secretadminpageentry = it goes with the login section and all
> the admin things.
>
> It's just suggestion. It's a very nice work. It's far better than the
> old pages. I hope squeak.org/squeakfoundation sites will benefit this
> kind of new design one day.
>
> About the demos, I'm thinking it would be nice to see an halo demo with
> a *secure* inspector and read-only wabrowser displaying the only
> concerned categories. Just a brainstorming!
>
>
> --
> Martial
>
>
> On Wed, 2007-07-11 at 09:50 +0200, Philippe Marschall wrote:
> > Hi
> >
> > After too many delays the new Seaside homepage [1] has finally gone
> > online. Since we switched hosts it might take a moment until the DNS
> > update propagates to you. The first thing you'll notice is the updated
> > look for which we no longer have to excuse. We cleaned up the content
> > and added a lot of new stuff. Among others you'll find interactive
> > examples, feed aggregation Monticello commit logs and the answers to
> > often asked questions like 'What is the best Swiss cheese?'. Under the
> > hood we made a lot of technology upgrades. We finally run on Seaside
> > (2.8) and the Pier CMS with several plug-ins, we are also hosted at
> > Seaside-Hosting [2]. The only way to eat more dog food would be
> > running on SqueakNOS.
> >
> > The page is not yet fully finished (and probably never will be) but we
> > feel we're at the point where it's significantly better than the old
> > one. So if you have suggestions for improvements or want to help get
> > in contact with us.
> >
> > Cheers
> > Lukas
> > Philippe
> >
> > [1] http://www.seaside.st
> > [2] http://www.seasidehosting.st/
> > _______________________________________________
> > Seaside mailing list
> > [hidden email]
> > http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside
> >
>
> _______________________________________________
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> [hidden email]
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>

> On 7/11/07, Martial Boniou <[hidden email]> wrote:
> > Nice work. It's a good ad for pier cms too. It seems that the header
> > should be nicer if it was textured; the white is a bit large.
> >
> > Is there a vector/SVG/AI/flash logo of Seaside. I'll be glad to have a
> > resizeable logo (and a extra-small version like the 'get firefox'
> > buttons (20px*80px)).
> >
> > Finally I have two remarks.
> > - I don't like to much the resized image in the box (screenshot section)
> > when you have small screens (as I have now). It's nothing but a generic
> > issue with this box in seaside. Is there another javascript lightbox
> > solution?
> > - Is the 'manage' section useful to display? I use Pier too and what I
> > did for my personal website is to add a special 'hidden' page for
> > administration in dispatcher pointing to the same PRKernel instance but
> > displaying the 'manage' section (using a configuration new variable to
> > say whether the 'manage' section are displayed or not). So when the user
> > access to seaside via:
> >
> > seaside.st = it displays the page without 'manage'
> >
> > And when he writes:
> >
> > seaside.st/secretadminpageentry = it goes with the login section and all
> > the admin things.
> >
> > It's just suggestion. It's a very nice work. It's far better than the
> > old pages. I hope squeak.org/squeakfoundation sites will benefit this
> > kind of new design one day.
> >
> > About the demos, I'm thinking it would be nice to see an halo demo with
> > a *secure* inspector and read-only wabrowser displaying the only
> > concerned categories. Just a brainstorming!
> >
> >
> > --
> > Martial
> >
> >
> > On Wed, 2007-07-11 at 09:50 +0200, Philippe Marschall wrote:
> > > Hi
> > >
> > > After too many delays the new Seaside homepage [1] has finally gone
> > > online. Since we switched hosts it might take a moment until the DNS
> > > update propagates to you. The first thing you'll notice is the updated
> > > look for which we no longer have to excuse. We cleaned up the content
> > > and added a lot of new stuff. Among others you'll find interactive
> > > examples, feed aggregation Monticello commit logs and the answers to
> > > often asked questions like 'What is the best Swiss cheese?'. Under the
> > > hood we made a lot of technology upgrades. We finally run on Seaside
> > > (2.8) and the Pier CMS with several plug-ins, we are also hosted at
> > > Seaside-Hosting [2]. The only way to eat more dog food would be
> > > running on SqueakNOS.
> > >
> > > The page is not yet fully finished (and probably never will be) but we
> > > feel we're at the point where it's significantly better than the old
> > > one. So if you have suggestions for improvements or want to help get
> > > in contact with us.
> > >
> > > Cheers
> > > Lukas
> > > Philippe
> > >
> > > [1] http://www.seaside.st
> > > [2] http://www.seasidehosting.st/
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Seaside mailing list
> > > [hidden email]
> > > http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside
> > >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Seaside mailing list
> > [hidden email]
> > http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside
> >
> _______________________________________________
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>

> In general, it looks great! It needs major promotion, though.
>
>
> Here's a great article that illustrates what a mess the web dev community
> has become:
>  
> http://www.oreillynet.com/onjava/blog/2006/06/isnt_rails_supposed_to_change.
> html
>  
>  
> With the Java web community horribly fragmented, there is a major
> opportunity for Seaside to rise to prominence. BUT, it has to get the
> message out loud and clear. AND, it has to counter Ruby on Rail's momentum
> and popularity.
>  
> Web developers, unite! From amidst the chaos and turmoil of web development
> shall arise a saviour, one framework to rule them all.
>  
> To quote from Highlander (1986): "There can be only one."
>
> Regards,
> Richard
>
>
> On 7/11/07 7:12 AM, "Michael Gorsuch" <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>> Excellent work!  I think this'll help foster even more interest in
>> both the framework and Smalltalk.
>
>
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> -----Mensaje original-----
> De: [hidden email]
> [mailto:[hidden email]] En nombre
> de Philippe Marschall
> Enviado el: Miércoles, 11 de Julio de 2007 04:50
> Para: Seaside - general discussion
> Asunto: [Seaside] [ANN] new Seaside homepage
>
> Hi
>
> After too many delays the new Seaside homepage [1] has
> finally gone online. Since we switched hosts it might take a
> moment until the DNS update propagates to you. The first
> thing you'll notice is the updated look for which we no
> longer have to excuse. We cleaned up the content and added a
> lot of new stuff. Among others you'll find interactive
> examples, feed aggregation Monticello commit logs and the
> answers to often asked questions like 'What is the best Swiss
> cheese?'. Under the hood we made a lot of technology
> upgrades. We finally run on Seaside
> (2.8) and the Pier CMS with several plug-ins, we are also
> hosted at Seaside-Hosting [2]. The only way to eat more dog
> food would be running on SqueakNOS.
>
> The page is not yet fully finished (and probably never will
> be) but we feel we're at the point where it's significantly
> better than the old one. So if you have suggestions for
> improvements or want to help get in contact with us.
>
> Cheers
> Lukas
> Philippe
>
> [1] http://www.seaside.st
> [2] http://www.seasidehosting.st/
> _______________________________________________
> Seaside mailing list
> [hidden email]
> http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside

> On Wed, July 11, 2007 9:34 am, Richard Eng wrote:
>> Why is Ruby on Rails clobbering Seaside? I think the answer lies in
>> documentation--good, plentiful documentation. Newbie-friendly
>> documentation.
>> Moreover, RoR actually has published books! Seaside does not.
>>
>> A good Seaside book would go a long way toward promoting Seaside...
>
> I can't speak for others, but you could certainly give credit
> to RoR being the catalyst for me finding Seaside (care of a RoR
> blog post).. As for why it RoR may have a bigger following?
> At least for me, the biggest hurdle was learning the language
> and the environment.. If you're used to using traditional
> toolsets for C/C++/Perl/PHP/Ruby and countless others that follow
> the "file" based approach, Smalltalk can take a bit of getting
> used to.. The language works completely different than the
> others which really look similar to each other in many ways
> thereby simplifying the learning curve.  As I mentioned earlier,
> the toolset takes a bit of getting used to as well..  So, in
> summary, I don't believe the issue is with Seaside as much as
> it's an issue of wrapping your mind around Smalltalk in general
> and everything that comes with it.. IF you can take the time to
> learn ST, you'll be much better for it -- BUT it does take some
> time!
>
> Just my $0.02US worth, which ain't much these days!
>
>
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> On 7/11/07, Blake <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>> I think you guys may have reversed the causality here. As I understand  
>> it, Ruby's popularity is largely =due= to Tim O'Reilly hyping the  
>> bejeezus out of it. In other words, a publisher decided to push it  
>> first, fired up the hype machine about the "next big thing" and, well,  
>> here we are.
>
> It's a feedback loop - O'Reilly certainly helped RoR along, but they
> didn't get interested until it was already well on its way.  37signals
> are a pretty effective hype machine themselves.

> 1) The slogan is a little too technician and long for a "punch"
> effect. It's too late to explore something more synthetic? like (kind of
> result scriptaculous archieved creating it's slogan "it's about the user
> interface, baby!")
>
> Ideas to start a brainstorm for a more synthetic seaside slogan:
>
> "Interactivity like a breeze" (breeze is kind of beach thing so
> compatible with the seaside style) "Web development like a breeze"
> "Online applications like you wanted"
> "Web complexity eased"
> "Put HTML to work for you"
> "Web interactivity made simple"