AW: Suse 10, VW 7.3.1, and German Umlauts

> Thanks Alan.
>
> I found the switch in SuSE 10. It is in the language section of the
> Systems module of yast2; the UTF-8 encoding option needs to be cleared.
>
> So this worked fine for me and my personal laptop, but this is a problem
> with students using Smalltalk in courses, as my department has migrated
> the student computers to SuSE 10 with UTF-8 encoding.
>
> Cheers,
>     Hubert
>
> Alan Knight wrote:
>> It looks to me like the difference is that SuSE 10 is using UTF-8 for
>> the information coming from the Window Manager, and this is confusing
>> VW. I'm not sure what the source of the confusion would be - it might
>> be that this isn't the encoding we're expecting based on the locale,
>> or it might be that the VW keyboard input code isn't equipped for
>> utf-8. However, if you can find an option to set it back to the same
>> encoding that SUSE 9 was using, that's probably the easiest short-term
>> answer, and very possibly the only one that's going to work for 5i.3.
>>
>> At 06:34 AM 11/28/2005, Hubert Baumeister wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> since a week now, I am running VW 7.3.1 on SuSE Linux 10 without
>>> problems. However, only yesterday I tried to write some German
>>> text(using a German keyboard) in the workspace containing German
>>> Umlauts (öäüÖÄÜß). The problem is that the Umlauts don't appear in
>>> the workspace. It seems that when I press an Umlaut key, the VM
>>> receives something which it does not understand and ignores
>>> (incidentally, using VW 5i.3, the VM crashes when typing Umlauts).
>>>
>>> I didn't have had this problem with the previous installation of SuSE
>>> Linux (some 9.x version).
>>>
>>> The following is what xev says on SuSE 10 when I press o Umlaut (ö):
>>>
>>> KeyPress event, serial 27, synthetic NO, window 0x3400001,
>>>    root 0x48, subw 0x3400002, time 945395, (62,66), root:(857,652),
>>>    state 0x0, keycode 47 (keysym 0xf6, odiaeresis), same_screen YES,
>>>    XLookupString gives 2 bytes: (c3 b6) "ö"
>>>    XmbLookupString gives 2 bytes: (c3 b6) "ö"
>>>    XFilterEvent returns: False
>>>
>>> The working SuSE 9 produces
>>>
>>> KeyPress event, serial 22, synthetic NO, window 0x2a00001,
>>>    root 0x90, subw 0x0, time 606351971, (72,84), root:(1231,277),
>>>    state 0x0, keycode 47 (keysym 0xf6, odiaeresis), same_screen YES,
>>>    XLookupString gives 1 bytes:  "ö"
>>>
>>> Any idea, how I can also use Umlauts in VW 7.3.1 and SuSE 10 (and if
>>> possible also VW 5i.3 and SuSE 10, as I still have an application
>>> running on VW 5i.3 which does not run yet on VW 7.3.1 (due to use of
>>> OldViews GUI)). Maybe there is a magic switch in Linux or Smalltalk?
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>        Hubert
>>>
>>> --
>>> Dr. Hubert Baumeister, Institut für Informatik, Universität München
>>> mailto:[hidden email]
>>> http://www.informatik.uni-muenchen.de/~baumeist
>>> phone (x49-89)2180-9375  * fax -9175
>>
>> --
>> Alan Knight [|], Cincom Smalltalk Development
>> [hidden email]
>> [hidden email]
>> http://www.cincom.com/smalltalk
>>
>> "The Static Typing Philosophy: Make it fast. Make it right. Make it
>> run." - Niall Ross
>>
>
>

>
> Georg
>
> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: Hubert Baumeister [mailto:[hidden email]]
> Gesendet: Montag, 28. November 2005 07:56
> An: [hidden email]
> Cc: Alan Knight
> Betreff: Re: Suse 10, VW 7.3.1, and German Umlauts
>
> Hi,
>
> I found an easier work around than to change a global setting. The
> environment variable LANG seems to control the character encoding
> behavior. Starting Smalltalk with LANG set to de_DE.euro instead of
> de_DE.UTF-8 solves the problem for me.
>
> Cheers,
> Hubert
>
>
> Hubert Baumeister wrote:
>> Thanks Alan.
>>
>> I found the switch in SuSE 10. It is in the language section of the
>> Systems module of yast2; the UTF-8 encoding option needs to be cleared.
>>
>> So this worked fine for me and my personal laptop, but this is a problem
>> with students using Smalltalk in courses, as my department has migrated
>> the student computers to SuSE 10 with UTF-8 encoding.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>     Hubert
>>
>> Alan Knight wrote:
>>> It looks to me like the difference is that SuSE 10 is using UTF-8 for
>>> the information coming from the Window Manager, and this is confusing
>>> VW. I'm not sure what the source of the confusion would be - it might
>>> be that this isn't the encoding we're expecting based on the locale,
>>> or it might be that the VW keyboard input code isn't equipped for
>>> utf-8. However, if you can find an option to set it back to the same
>>> encoding that SUSE 9 was using, that's probably the easiest short-term
>>> answer, and very possibly the only one that's going to work for 5i.3.
>>>
>>> At 06:34 AM 11/28/2005, Hubert Baumeister wrote:
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> since a week now, I am running VW 7.3.1 on SuSE Linux 10 without
>>>> problems. However, only yesterday I tried to write some German
>>>> text(using a German keyboard) in the workspace containing German
>>>> Umlauts (öäüÖÄÜß). The problem is that the Umlauts don't appear in
>>>> the workspace. It seems that when I press an Umlaut key, the VM
>>>> receives something which it does not understand and ignores
>>>> (incidentally, using VW 5i.3, the VM crashes when typing Umlauts).
>>>>
>>>> I didn't have had this problem with the previous installation of SuSE
>>>> Linux (some 9.x version).
>>>>
>>>> The following is what xev says on SuSE 10 when I press o Umlaut (ö):
>>>>
>>>> KeyPress event, serial 27, synthetic NO, window 0x3400001,
>>>>    root 0x48, subw 0x3400002, time 945395, (62,66), root:(857,652),
>>>>    state 0x0, keycode 47 (keysym 0xf6, odiaeresis), same_screen YES,
>>>>    XLookupString gives 2 bytes: (c3 b6) "ö"
>>>>    XmbLookupString gives 2 bytes: (c3 b6) "ö"
>>>>    XFilterEvent returns: False
>>>>
>>>> The working SuSE 9 produces
>>>>
>>>> KeyPress event, serial 22, synthetic NO, window 0x2a00001,
>>>>    root 0x90, subw 0x0, time 606351971, (72,84), root:(1231,277),
>>>>    state 0x0, keycode 47 (keysym 0xf6, odiaeresis), same_screen YES,
>>>>    XLookupString gives 1 bytes:  "ö"
>>>>
>>>> Any idea, how I can also use Umlauts in VW 7.3.1 and SuSE 10 (and if
>>>> possible also VW 5i.3 and SuSE 10, as I still have an application
>>>> running on VW 5i.3 which does not run yet on VW 7.3.1 (due to use of
>>>> OldViews GUI)). Maybe there is a magic switch in Linux or Smalltalk?
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>>        Hubert
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Dr. Hubert Baumeister, Institut für Informatik, Universität München
>>>> mailto:[hidden email]
>>>> http://www.informatik.uni-muenchen.de/~baumeist
>>>> phone (x49-89)2180-9375  * fax -9175
>>> --
>>> Alan Knight [|], Cincom Smalltalk Development
>>> [hidden email]
>>> [hidden email]
>>> http://www.cincom.com/smalltalk
>>>
>>> "The Static Typing Philosophy: Make it fast. Make it right. Make it
>>> run." - Niall Ross
>>>
>>
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