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AWS SDK for Pharo

Stefan Krecher-3
Hi,
I'm aware that there is already an AWS SDK implementation for Smalltalk ( https://github.com/newapplesho/aws-sdk-smalltalk )
This implementation doesn't seem to be a complete implementation to access all AWS services.
Using a live-programming environment like Pharo would be so cool, flexible, productive and intuitive to control/ manage AWS resources - but implementing the SDK by hand is probably not a good idea, since it would be so hard to keep it up-to-date, because AWS adds new features weekly ...
I contacted the AWS enterprise support and they gave me some great hints.
There are many 3rd party SDK's available that utilizes the json files provided in botocore to automatically generate SDKs: Botocore: https://github.com/boto/botocore
They can then automatically generate an SDK based off of these json definitions. One example of this is Rusoto, the AWS SDK for Rust:

Would anyone interested in supporting this kind of project?
What would be a good starting-point?
Although I am (to be honest: I was) a Smalltalk-Programmer, I have too little experience with Pharo - but maybe others might find this useful. It would also be useful to "spread the word" - AWS scripting/ automation is so popular, there would be so many occasions to showcase Pharo + AWS or to create Products that are based on AWS services.

Regards
Stefan
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Re: AWS SDK for Pharo

ducasse
It would be cool to have some bindings. 

I remember that 
It would be nice to make it work in Pharo 70. 

Now are you sure that this is complex to take json description and generate SDKs
Did you run a controlled experiment?


Stef

On 27 Feb 2019, at 12:37, Stefan Krecher <[hidden email]> wrote:

Hi,
I'm aware that there is already an AWS SDK implementation for Smalltalk ( https://github.com/newapplesho/aws-sdk-smalltalk )
This implementation doesn't seem to be a complete implementation to access all AWS services.
Using a live-programming environment like Pharo would be so cool, flexible, productive and intuitive to control/ manage AWS resources - but implementing the SDK by hand is probably not a good idea, since it would be so hard to keep it up-to-date, because AWS adds new features weekly ...
I contacted the AWS enterprise support and they gave me some great hints.
There are many 3rd party SDK's available that utilizes the json files provided in botocore to automatically generate SDKs: Botocore: https://github.com/boto/botocore
They can then automatically generate an SDK based off of these json definitions. One example of this is Rusoto, the AWS SDK for Rust:

Would anyone interested in supporting this kind of project?
What would be a good starting-point?
Although I am (to be honest: I was) a Smalltalk-Programmer, I have too little experience with Pharo - but maybe others might find this useful. It would also be useful to "spread the word" - AWS scripting/ automation is so popular, there would be so many occasions to showcase Pharo + AWS or to create Products that are based on AWS services.

Regards
Stefan
Sven Van Caekenberghe-2
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Re: AWS SDK for Pharo

Sven Van Caekenberghe-2
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Hi,

This is interesting indeed.
The meta descriptions in JSON are cool and most probably usable.
It would be a huge project, though, given how many APIs/products there are, even with auto generation.

A long time ago I did a AWS S3 client that is still part of Zinc HTTP Components (https://github.com/svenvc/zinc), although I believe the authentication/signing model is old now.

Sven

> On 27 Feb 2019, at 12:37, Stefan Krecher <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> Hi,
> I'm aware that there is already an AWS SDK implementation for Smalltalk ( https://github.com/newapplesho/aws-sdk-smalltalk )
> This implementation doesn't seem to be a complete implementation to access all AWS services.
> Using a live-programming environment like Pharo would be so cool, flexible, productive and intuitive to control/ manage AWS resources - but implementing the SDK by hand is probably not a good idea, since it would be so hard to keep it up-to-date, because AWS adds new features weekly ...
> I contacted the AWS enterprise support and they gave me some great hints.
> There are many 3rd party SDK's available that utilizes the json files provided in botocore to automatically generate SDKs:
> Botocore:
> https://github.com/boto/botocore
> Example service.json:https://github.com/boto/botocore/blob/develop/botocore/data/ecs/2014-11-13/service-2.json
> They can then  automatically generate an SDK based off of these json definitions. One example of this is Rusoto, the AWS SDK for Rust:
> Rusoto: https://github.com/rusoto/rusoto
>
> Automatic generation portion:
> https://github.com/rusoto/rusoto/tree/master/service_crategen
>
> Would anyone interested in supporting this kind of project?
> What would be a good starting-point?
> Although I am (to be honest: I was) a Smalltalk-Programmer, I have too little experience with Pharo - but maybe others might find this useful. It would also be useful to "spread the word" - AWS scripting/ automation is so popular, there would be so many occasions to showcase Pharo + AWS or to create Products that are based on AWS services.
>
> Regards
> Stefan


Stefan Krecher-3
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Re: AWS SDK for Pharo

Stefan Krecher-3
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How would a controlled experiment look like?

Am Mi., 27. Feb. 2019 um 13:18 Uhr schrieb ducasse <[hidden email]>:
It would be cool to have some bindings. 

I remember that 
It would be nice to make it work in Pharo 70. 

Now are you sure that this is complex to take json description and generate SDKs
Did you run a controlled experiment?


Stef

On 27 Feb 2019, at 12:37, Stefan Krecher <[hidden email]> wrote:

Hi,
I'm aware that there is already an AWS SDK implementation for Smalltalk ( https://github.com/newapplesho/aws-sdk-smalltalk )
This implementation doesn't seem to be a complete implementation to access all AWS services.
Using a live-programming environment like Pharo would be so cool, flexible, productive and intuitive to control/ manage AWS resources - but implementing the SDK by hand is probably not a good idea, since it would be so hard to keep it up-to-date, because AWS adds new features weekly ...
I contacted the AWS enterprise support and they gave me some great hints.
There are many 3rd party SDK's available that utilizes the json files provided in botocore to automatically generate SDKs: Botocore: https://github.com/boto/botocore
They can then automatically generate an SDK based off of these json definitions. One example of this is Rusoto, the AWS SDK for Rust:

Would anyone interested in supporting this kind of project?
What would be a good starting-point?
Although I am (to be honest: I was) a Smalltalk-Programmer, I have too little experience with Pharo - but maybe others might find this useful. It would also be useful to "spread the word" - AWS scripting/ automation is so popular, there would be so many occasions to showcase Pharo + AWS or to create Products that are based on AWS services.

Regards
Stefan



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ducasse
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ducasse
Take one feature and see how difficult it is to build it. 

Stef

On 27 Feb 2019, at 15:34, Stefan Krecher <[hidden email]> wrote:

How would a controlled experiment look like?

Am Mi., 27. Feb. 2019 um 13:18 Uhr schrieb ducasse <[hidden email]>:
It would be cool to have some bindings. 

I remember that 
It would be nice to make it work in Pharo 70. 

Now are you sure that this is complex to take json description and generate SDKs
Did you run a controlled experiment?


Stef

On 27 Feb 2019, at 12:37, Stefan Krecher <[hidden email]> wrote:

Hi,
I'm aware that there is already an AWS SDK implementation for Smalltalk ( https://github.com/newapplesho/aws-sdk-smalltalk )
This implementation doesn't seem to be a complete implementation to access all AWS services.
Using a live-programming environment like Pharo would be so cool, flexible, productive and intuitive to control/ manage AWS resources - but implementing the SDK by hand is probably not a good idea, since it would be so hard to keep it up-to-date, because AWS adds new features weekly ...
I contacted the AWS enterprise support and they gave me some great hints.
There are many 3rd party SDK's available that utilizes the json files provided in botocore to automatically generate SDKs: Botocore: https://github.com/boto/botocore
They can then automatically generate an SDK based off of these json definitions. One example of this is Rusoto, the AWS SDK for Rust:

Would anyone interested in supporting this kind of project?
What would be a good starting-point?
Although I am (to be honest: I was) a Smalltalk-Programmer, I have too little experience with Pharo - but maybe others might find this useful. It would also be useful to "spread the word" - AWS scripting/ automation is so popular, there would be so many occasions to showcase Pharo + AWS or to create Products that are based on AWS services.

Regards
Stefan



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Jan van de Sandt
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Re: AWS SDK for Pharo

Jan van de Sandt
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Hi,

Here is yet another (very) partial implementation of an AWS SDK for Pharo: https://github.com/jvdsandt/pharo-aws-toolbox

But it does have the latest (V4) signing algoritm! 

It would be very nice if you can generate a Pharo implemetation of an AWS service from a meta description!

Jan.

On Wed, Feb 27, 2019 at 2:02 PM Sven Van Caekenberghe <[hidden email]> wrote:
Hi,

This is interesting indeed.
The meta descriptions in JSON are cool and most probably usable.
It would be a huge project, though, given how many APIs/products there are, even with auto generation.

A long time ago I did a AWS S3 client that is still part of Zinc HTTP Components (https://github.com/svenvc/zinc), although I believe the authentication/signing model is old now.

Sven

> On 27 Feb 2019, at 12:37, Stefan Krecher <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> Hi,
> I'm aware that there is already an AWS SDK implementation for Smalltalk ( https://github.com/newapplesho/aws-sdk-smalltalk )
> This implementation doesn't seem to be a complete implementation to access all AWS services.
> Using a live-programming environment like Pharo would be so cool, flexible, productive and intuitive to control/ manage AWS resources - but implementing the SDK by hand is probably not a good idea, since it would be so hard to keep it up-to-date, because AWS adds new features weekly ...
> I contacted the AWS enterprise support and they gave me some great hints.
> There are many 3rd party SDK's available that utilizes the json files provided in botocore to automatically generate SDKs:
> Botocore:
> https://github.com/boto/botocore
> Example service.json:https://github.com/boto/botocore/blob/develop/botocore/data/ecs/2014-11-13/service-2.json
> They can then  automatically generate an SDK based off of these json definitions. One example of this is Rusoto, the AWS SDK for Rust:
> Rusoto: https://github.com/rusoto/rusoto
>
> Automatic generation portion:
> https://github.com/rusoto/rusoto/tree/master/service_crategen
>
> Would anyone interested in supporting this kind of project?
> What would be a good starting-point?
> Although I am (to be honest: I was) a Smalltalk-Programmer, I have too little experience with Pharo - but maybe others might find this useful. It would also be useful to "spread the word" - AWS scripting/ automation is so popular, there would be so many occasions to showcase Pharo + AWS or to create Products that are based on AWS services.
>
> Regards
> Stefan
Paul DeBruicker
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Paul DeBruicker
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Richard Prinz made one for Google's APIs

The code is here:

https://github.com/seandenigris/St-Google-API (also Sean -  maybe merge them
PRs! :) )




The blog post describing what he did is here:

https://www.min.at/prinz/?x=entry:entry150318-104537

Maybe Amazon publishes a similar resource you can use.



Stefan Krecher-3 wrote

> Hi,
> I'm aware that there is already an AWS SDK implementation for Smalltalk (
> https://github.com/newapplesho/aws-sdk-smalltalk )
> This implementation doesn't seem to be a complete implementation to access
> all AWS services.
> Using a live-programming environment like Pharo would be so cool,
> flexible,
> productive and intuitive to control/ manage AWS resources - but
> implementing the SDK by hand is probably not a good idea, since it would
> be
> so hard to keep it up-to-date, because AWS adds new features weekly ...
> I contacted the AWS enterprise support and they gave me some great hints.
> There are many 3rd party SDK's available that utilizes the json files
> provided in botocore to automatically generate SDKs: Botocore:
> https://github.com/boto/botocore
> &lt;https://github.com/boto/botocore&gt;Example service.json:
> &lt;https://github.com/boto/botocore&gt;
> https://github.com/boto/botocore/blob/develop/botocore/data/ecs/2014-11-13/service-2.json
> They can then automatically generate an SDK based off of these json
> definitions. One example of this is Rusoto, the AWS SDK for Rust:
> Rusoto: https://github.com/rusoto/rusoto Automatic generation portion:
> https://github.com/rusoto/rusoto/tree/master/service_crategen
>
> Would anyone interested in supporting this kind of project?
> What would be a good starting-point?
> Although I am (to be honest: I was) a Smalltalk-Programmer, I have too
> little experience with Pharo - but maybe others might find this useful. It
> would also be useful to "spread the word" - AWS scripting/ automation is
> so
> popular, there would be so many occasions to showcase Pharo + AWS or to
> create Products that are based on AWS services.
>
> Regards
> Stefan





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