About GSoC name (Fwd: for those not in the smalltalk-gsoc-mentors mailing-list nor in esug)

> I’m sorry to have to forward you this kind of mail but I do it.
> I will not send other emails on the topics.
>
> Stef
>
>
> Dear community
>
> On the [hidden email]
> <mailto:[hidden email]> janko is kind of
> declaring that ESUG was not doing a good job managing
> GSOC. We feel insulted and we are quite concerned by that fact.
> Personally if students would not be involved I would vote that ESUG does
> not have anything to do with GSOC. Because it costs us money, time and
> stress. Note in addition that we never interferred with the choice or
> anything.
>
> I will ask the ESUG board to decide because we cannot do the job, spend
> time, money and be treated like that.
> Sorry! We are sad but this is like that.
>
> Then we do not like the kind of mails that Janko is sending us about the
> fact that ESUG is biased towards Pharo.
> Where are the research teams and teachers?  Of course: the mails of
> janko are just so nice. I let you judge.
>
> It is particularly fun since this year we (the pharo board) decided not
> to organise a Pharo conference to avoid competing with ESUG.
>
>> About motivations for my proposal:
>>
>> 1. 'Smalltalk' is more recognizable name on first spot that 'ESUG' .
>> And this matters when a student looks at around 150 GSoC organizations
>> to choose, which one to check and try. See last year list of orgs
>> <http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/org/list/public/google/gsoc2013>.
>>
>> 2. ESUG is currently regarded by many as too biased towards Pharo. Let
>> we avoid starting debating is this is true or not. Making our org more
>> independent will I hope remove any remaining doubt about that.
>
>
> I feel shocked and insulted but I take it easy, having success make you
> as easy target for jaleous people. This is strange that
> some people would prefer to have a non existing/moving open-source
> smalltalk. May be the losers theory.
>
> I added the answer of marcus below (because marcus usually is much
> calmer than me) so that Janko succeeded to get marcus reacting like that
> is a nice proof in itself.
>
> Seriously Smalltalk is in a so good shape in presence of lua,
> Javascript, ruby and python, clojure that we should fight.
>
> Excellent idea thank for this nice initiative.
>
> Stef
>
>
>
>
> Begin forwarded message:
>
>> *From: *Janko Mivšek <[hidden email]
>> <mailto:[hidden email]>>
>> *Subject: **[gsoc-mentors] Running under 'Smalltalk' org. name*
>> *Date: *8 Feb 2014 08:46:18 GMT+1
>> *To: *[hidden email]
>> <mailto:[hidden email]>
>> *Reply-To: *[hidden email]
>> <mailto:[hidden email]>
>>
>> Dear mentors,
>>
>> I propose that we run this year GSoC simply under 'Smalltalk' name.
>> Mentoring organization will be us mentors of past and current GSoCs,
>> as the name 'mentoring organization' implies anyway. Such organization
>> therefore doesn't need to be some kind of legal entity.
>>
>> Because I need to open a new website and we have only one week to
>> deadline, decision needs to be done soon.
>>
>> Best regards
>> Janko
>>
>> ---
>> Janko Mivšek
>> Smalltalk GSoC Admin Team
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>
>
> Of course you need it: I filled out quite some paperwork for Google.
> ESUG is an official Google supplier, for that I filled american tax
> forms and so on.
>
> Without an organisation that will be very difficult. How do yu receive
> money for the flight if someone goes to the meeting in the fall?
>
> One of the reasons why the Smalltalk GSOC was accepted was I think that
> it was the same organisation that is already in the books of google.
>
> And I do not see why to change that: ESUG did a good job, we even lost
> money (that is, we spend more money on additional Summer of Code slots
> than got in with the money from google).
> We payed all additional expenses of the people going to the Summit:
> Google only pays the flight and hotel. Everyhting else not (e.g. going
> from the airpot
> to the hotel).
>
>
> What we need to discuss this year is if additional slots make sense: We
> had last year the fast that
> a) it was very expensive for ESUG
> b) even then, we got complaints that it was unfair that we did not pay
> the same as google
> c) that it was very extremely unfair that the student could not put
> “Google Summer of Code” on the CV.
>
> The last is the Killer: money from ESUG is just money. GSoC is more. So
> we ask if it is really worth to spend the money
> if even the students are not happy about it.
>
> And if your motivation behind is that this way you think it will be
> easier to enable “Quotas” for different Smalltalks:  I think this is a
> dumb idea.
>
> Yes, Pharo is very active. So could every other Smalltalk be, too. They
> just need to do it. If they do not, it is not my duty to limit
> my activity for “Fairness”. Limiting the activity level of those who do
> to be more “in line” with what those do who do nothing is just
> *insane*. It’s a description of death itself.
>
> Marcus
>