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Hi Sport contributors
Today while browsing the seaside repository I saw that there is a Seaside30LGPL and I was puzzled. I looked and I saw that this is because it uses Sport and Sport is licensed under LGPL (probably the only packages in mainstream Smalltalk). I asked Bruce if Sport could be relicensed or have a dual license MIT/LGPL here is his answer:
So if you participated to Sport can you reply to this mail so that we can get a dual license LGPL/MIT. And yes I'm nervous about mixing licenses in an image-based system that a infinite minority of programmers understand or even know. Stef _______________________________________________ Esug-list mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.esug.org/mailman/listinfo/esug-list_lists.esug.org |
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Hi Stef,
I as a porter od Sport to Squeak/Pharo am all for Sport to be MIT licensed. As I understand past conversations with Bruce the dialect porter/maintainer approval is then a satisfying condition for Sport on Squeak/Pharo to be MIT licensed. Best regards Janko Dne 18. 07. 2013 12:19, piše Stéphane Ducasse: > Hi Sport contributors > > Today while browsing the seaside repository I saw that there is a > Seaside30LGPL and I was puzzled. I looked and I saw that this is because > it uses Sport and Sport is licensed under > LGPL (probably the only packages in mainstream Smalltalk). I asked Bruce > if Sport could be relicensed or have a dual license MIT/LGPL here is his > answer: > >> Steph, >> >> We've had this discussion before, and as before I'm fine with this in >> principle but it's not me alone to say. Sport for different dialects >> was written by different people. >> >> Sent from my phone. Please forgive brevity. >> > So if you participated to Sport can you reply to this mail so that we > can get a dual license LGPL/MIT. > > And yes I'm nervous about mixing licenses in an image-based system that > a infinite minority > of programmers understand or even know. > > Stef > > > _______________________________________________ > Esug-list mailing list > [hidden email] > http://lists.esug.org/mailman/listinfo/esug-list_lists.esug.org > -- Janko Mivšek Aida/Web Smalltalk Web Application Server http://www.aidaweb.si _______________________________________________ Esug-list mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.esug.org/mailman/listinfo/esug-list_lists.esug.org |
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thanks Janko :)
On Jul 18, 2013, at 12:44 PM, Janko Mivšek <[hidden email]> wrote: > Hi Stef, > > I as a porter od Sport to Squeak/Pharo am all for Sport to be MIT > licensed. As I understand past conversations with Bruce the dialect > porter/maintainer approval is then a satisfying condition for Sport on > Squeak/Pharo to be MIT licensed. > > Best regards > Janko > > Dne 18. 07. 2013 12:19, piše Stéphane Ducasse: >> Hi Sport contributors >> >> Today while browsing the seaside repository I saw that there is a >> Seaside30LGPL and I was puzzled. I looked and I saw that this is because >> it uses Sport and Sport is licensed under >> LGPL (probably the only packages in mainstream Smalltalk). I asked Bruce >> if Sport could be relicensed or have a dual license MIT/LGPL here is his >> answer: >> >>> Steph, >>> >>> We've had this discussion before, and as before I'm fine with this in >>> principle but it's not me alone to say. Sport for different dialects >>> was written by different people. >>> >>> Sent from my phone. Please forgive brevity. >>> >> So if you participated to Sport can you reply to this mail so that we >> can get a dual license LGPL/MIT. >> >> And yes I'm nervous about mixing licenses in an image-based system that >> a infinite minority >> of programmers understand or even know. >> >> Stef >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Esug-list mailing list >> [hidden email] >> http://lists.esug.org/mailman/listinfo/esug-list_lists.esug.org >> > > -- > Janko Mivšek > Aida/Web > Smalltalk Web Application Server > http://www.aidaweb.si > > _______________________________________________ > Esug-list mailing list > [hidden email] > http://lists.esug.org/mailman/listinfo/esug-list_lists.esug.org _______________________________________________ Esug-list mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.esug.org/mailman/listinfo/esug-list_lists.esug.org |
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I've made some small contributions to SPort in the past, so please have my authorization to change the license if needed.
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I have ported SPORT to GemStone and I am in favor of an MIT license... Dale From: "Stéphane Ducasse" <[hidden email]> _______________________________________________ Esug-list mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.esug.org/mailman/listinfo/esug-list_lists.esug.org |
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On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 12:19 PM, Stéphane Ducasse
<[hidden email]> wrote: > And yes I'm nervous about mixing licenses in an image-based system that a > infinite minority > of programmers understand or even know. I think that, in theory, mixing LGPL (which is much less strict than GPL) and MIT is authorized. Still, it is simpler if everything is of the same license, I agree. -- Damien Cassou http://damiencassou.seasidehosting.st "Success is the ability to go from one failure to another without losing enthusiasm." Winston Churchill _______________________________________________ Esug-list mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.esug.org/mailman/listinfo/esug-list_lists.esug.org |
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Il 18/07/2013 12:19, Stéphane Ducasse ha scritto:
> Hi Sport contributors > > Today while browsing the seaside repository I saw that there is a > Seaside30LGPL and I was puzzled. I looked and I saw that this is because > it uses Sport and Sport is licensed under > LGPL (probably the only packages in mainstream Smalltalk). I asked Bruce > if Sport could be relicensed or have a dual license MIT/LGPL here is his > answer: > >> Steph, >> >> We've had this discussion before, and as before I'm fine with this in >> principle but it's not me alone to say. Sport for different dialects >> was written by different people. >> >> Sent from my phone. Please forgive brevity. >> > So if you participated to Sport can you reply to this mail so that we > can get a dual license LGPL/MIT. I agree to MIT relicensing of all LGPL Smalltalk code I've ever written (_not_ GPL, that's another story). Paolo > And yes I'm nervous about mixing licenses in an image-based system that > a infinite minority > of programmers understand or even know. > > Stef > > > _______________________________________________ > Esug-list mailing list > [hidden email] > http://lists.esug.org/mailman/listinfo/esug-list_lists.esug.org > _______________________________________________ Esug-list mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.esug.org/mailman/listinfo/esug-list_lists.esug.org |
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On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 12:19 PM, Stéphane Ducasse
<[hidden email]> wrote: > Hi Sport contributors > > Today while browsing the seaside repository I saw that there is a > Seaside30LGPL and I was puzzled. I looked and I saw that this is because it > uses Sport and Sport is licensed under > LGPL (probably the only packages in mainstream Smalltalk). I asked Bruce if > Sport could be relicensed or have a dual license MIT/LGPL here is his > answer: > > Steph, > > We've had this discussion before, and as before I'm fine with this in > principle but it's not me alone to say. Sport for different dialects was > written by different people. > > Sent from my phone. Please forgive brevity. > > So if you participated to Sport can you reply to this mail so that we can > get a dual license LGPL/MIT. Should I ever have contributed I agree to dual- or relicensing. Cheers Philippe _______________________________________________ Esug-list mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.esug.org/mailman/listinfo/esug-list_lists.esug.org |
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Thanks you all.
This is excellent so I think that Sport can be relicensed and this is a good news. Stef On Jul 18, 2013, at 6:04 PM, Philippe Marschall <[hidden email]> wrote: > On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 12:19 PM, Stéphane Ducasse > <[hidden email]> wrote: >> Hi Sport contributors >> >> Today while browsing the seaside repository I saw that there is a >> Seaside30LGPL and I was puzzled. I looked and I saw that this is because it >> uses Sport and Sport is licensed under >> LGPL (probably the only packages in mainstream Smalltalk). I asked Bruce if >> Sport could be relicensed or have a dual license MIT/LGPL here is his >> answer: >> >> Steph, >> >> We've had this discussion before, and as before I'm fine with this in >> principle but it's not me alone to say. Sport for different dialects was >> written by different people. >> >> Sent from my phone. Please forgive brevity. >> >> So if you participated to Sport can you reply to this mail so that we can >> get a dual license LGPL/MIT. > > Should I ever have contributed I agree to dual- or relicensing. > > Cheers > Philippe > > _______________________________________________ > Esug-list mailing list > [hidden email] > http://lists.esug.org/mailman/listinfo/esug-list_lists.esug.org _______________________________________________ Esug-list mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.esug.org/mailman/listinfo/esug-list_lists.esug.org |
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Yes indeed. Looking at the thread I think everyone is happy with MIT so I would suggest going with just that for the Pharo implementation of Sport rather than using a dual license. Bruce
On 20 July 2013 08:13, Stéphane Ducasse <[hidden email]> wrote: Thanks you all. Make the most of your skills - with OpenSkills http://www.openskills.org/ _______________________________________________ Esug-list mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.esug.org/mailman/listinfo/esug-list_lists.esug.org |
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You write: “everyone is happy with MIT so I would suggest going with just that for the Pharo implementation of Sport”. This is the ESUG mailing list where Smalltalk Users of all dialects are participating. Thus I ask why is there the sub-phrase “just that for the Pharo implementation”? What is with all the other implementations? E.g. VisualWorks where the copyright says: “©Bruce Badger 2004, 2005, 2006. Licensed under the LGPL.” Georg Georg Heeg eK, Dortmund und Köthen, HR Dortmund A 12812 Wallstraße 22, 06366 Köthen Tel. +49-3496-214328, Fax +49-3496-214712 Von: Esug-list [mailto:[hidden email]] Im Auftrag von Bruce Badger Yes indeed. Looking at the thread I think everyone is happy with MIT so I would suggest going with just that for the Pharo implementation of Sport rather than using a dual license. Bruce On 20 July 2013 08:13, Stéphane Ducasse <[hidden email]> wrote: Thanks you all.
> On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 12:19 PM, Stéphane Ducasse > <[hidden email]> wrote: >> Hi Sport contributors >> >> Today while browsing the seaside repository I saw that there is a >> Seaside30LGPL and I was puzzled. I looked and I saw that this is because it >> uses Sport and Sport is licensed under >> LGPL (probably the only packages in mainstream Smalltalk). I asked Bruce if >> Sport could be relicensed or have a dual license MIT/LGPL here is his >> answer: >> >> Steph, >> >> We've had this discussion before, and as before I'm fine with this in >> principle but it's not me alone to say. Sport for different dialects was >> written by different people. >> >> Sent from my phone. Please forgive brevity. >> >> So if you participated to Sport can you reply to this mail so that we can >> get a dual license LGPL/MIT. > > Should I ever have contributed I agree to dual- or relicensing. > > Cheers > Philippe > > _______________________________________________ > Esug-list mailing list > [hidden email] > http://lists.esug.org/mailman/listinfo/esug-list_lists.esug.org _______________________________________________ Esug-list mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.esug.org/mailman/listinfo/esug-list_lists.esug.org -- _______________________________________________ Esug-list mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.esug.org/mailman/listinfo/esug-list_lists.esug.org |
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> why is there the sub-phrase “just that for the Pharo implementation”? To be clearOn 20 July 2013 11:43, Georg Heeg <[hidden email]> wrote:
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Bruce, How about MIT for the GemStone implementation? Dale From: "Bruce Badger" <[hidden email]> _______________________________________________ Esug-list mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.esug.org/mailman/listinfo/esug-list_lists.esug.org |
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Dale, I think that would be fine too.On 20 July 2013 12:39, Dale K. Henrichs <[hidden email]> wrote:
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Bruce, I will scan the commit history for GemStone Sport and contact the contributors and ask them to respond. Thanks, Dale From: "Bruce Badger" <[hidden email]> _______________________________________________ Esug-list mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.esug.org/mailman/listinfo/esug-list_lists.esug.org |
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Hi guys,
I hope we all agree now for MIT so I just changed Sport license on SqueakSource to MIT, so that now on both SqueakSource and SmalltalkHub Sport is MIT licensed: http://www.squeaksource.com/SPort.html http://smalltalkhub.com/#!/~Sport/Sport Note than there is only one Sport for both Squeak and Pharo and probably Cuis as well. Best regards Janko Dne 18. 07. 2013 16:05, piše Stéphane Ducasse: > thanks Janko :) > > > On Jul 18, 2013, at 12:44 PM, Janko Mivšek <[hidden email]> wrote: > >> Hi Stef, >> >> I as a porter od Sport to Squeak/Pharo am all for Sport to be MIT >> licensed. As I understand past conversations with Bruce the dialect >> porter/maintainer approval is then a satisfying condition for Sport on >> Squeak/Pharo to be MIT licensed. >> >> Best regards >> Janko >> >> Dne 18. 07. 2013 12:19, piše Stéphane Ducasse: >>> Hi Sport contributors >>> >>> Today while browsing the seaside repository I saw that there is a >>> Seaside30LGPL and I was puzzled. I looked and I saw that this is because >>> it uses Sport and Sport is licensed under >>> LGPL (probably the only packages in mainstream Smalltalk). I asked Bruce >>> if Sport could be relicensed or have a dual license MIT/LGPL here is his >>> answer: >>> >>>> Steph, >>>> >>>> We've had this discussion before, and as before I'm fine with this in >>>> principle but it's not me alone to say. Sport for different dialects >>>> was written by different people. >>>> >>>> Sent from my phone. Please forgive brevity. >>>> >>> So if you participated to Sport can you reply to this mail so that we >>> can get a dual license LGPL/MIT. >>> >>> And yes I'm nervous about mixing licenses in an image-based system that >>> a infinite minority >>> of programmers understand or even know. >>> >>> Stef >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Esug-list mailing list >>> [hidden email] >>> http://lists.esug.org/mailman/listinfo/esug-list_lists.esug.org >>> >> >> -- >> Janko Mivšek >> Aida/Web >> Smalltalk Web Application Server >> http://www.aidaweb.si >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Esug-list mailing list >> [hidden email] >> http://lists.esug.org/mailman/listinfo/esug-list_lists.esug.org > > -- Janko Mivšek Svetovalec za informatiko Eranova d.o.o. Ljubljana, Slovenija www.eranova.si tel: 01 514 22 55 faks: 01 514 22 56 gsm: 031 674 565 _______________________________________________ Esug-list mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.esug.org/mailman/listinfo/esug-list_lists.esug.org |
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On 23 July 2013 13:14, Janko Mivšek <[hidden email]> wrote:
> Hi guys, > > I hope we all agree now for MIT so I just changed Sport license on > SqueakSource to MIT, so that now on both SqueakSource and SmalltalkHub > Sport is MIT licensed: > > http://www.squeaksource.com/SPort.html > http://smalltalkhub.com/#!/~Sport/Sport If I understand correctly, this might be a bit premature. I had to fill in a paper form declaring my agreement to the relicencing of Squeak, and I'm pretty sure Pharo had to do the same (because I had to fill in a similar form for Pharo). As I understand it, the Sport port folks need to compile a list of every contributor and get each contributor to formally agree to the relicencing. frank > Note than there is only one Sport for both Squeak and Pharo and probably > Cuis as well. > > Best regards > Janko > > Dne 18. 07. 2013 16:05, piše Stéphane Ducasse: >> thanks Janko :) >> >> >> On Jul 18, 2013, at 12:44 PM, Janko Mivšek <[hidden email]> wrote: >> >>> Hi Stef, >>> >>> I as a porter od Sport to Squeak/Pharo am all for Sport to be MIT >>> licensed. As I understand past conversations with Bruce the dialect >>> porter/maintainer approval is then a satisfying condition for Sport on >>> Squeak/Pharo to be MIT licensed. >>> >>> Best regards >>> Janko >>> >>> Dne 18. 07. 2013 12:19, piše Stéphane Ducasse: >>>> Hi Sport contributors >>>> >>>> Today while browsing the seaside repository I saw that there is a >>>> Seaside30LGPL and I was puzzled. I looked and I saw that this is because >>>> it uses Sport and Sport is licensed under >>>> LGPL (probably the only packages in mainstream Smalltalk). I asked Bruce >>>> if Sport could be relicensed or have a dual license MIT/LGPL here is his >>>> answer: >>>> >>>>> Steph, >>>>> >>>>> We've had this discussion before, and as before I'm fine with this in >>>>> principle but it's not me alone to say. Sport for different dialects >>>>> was written by different people. >>>>> >>>>> Sent from my phone. Please forgive brevity. >>>>> >>>> So if you participated to Sport can you reply to this mail so that we >>>> can get a dual license LGPL/MIT. >>>> >>>> And yes I'm nervous about mixing licenses in an image-based system that >>>> a infinite minority >>>> of programmers understand or even know. >>>> >>>> Stef >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Esug-list mailing list >>>> [hidden email] >>>> http://lists.esug.org/mailman/listinfo/esug-list_lists.esug.org >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> Janko Mivšek >>> Aida/Web >>> Smalltalk Web Application Server >>> http://www.aidaweb.si >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Esug-list mailing list >>> [hidden email] >>> http://lists.esug.org/mailman/listinfo/esug-list_lists.esug.org >> >> > > -- > Janko Mivšek > Svetovalec za informatiko > Eranova d.o.o. > Ljubljana, Slovenija > www.eranova.si > tel: 01 514 22 55 > faks: 01 514 22 56 > gsm: 031 674 565 > > _______________________________________________ > Esug-list mailing list > [hidden email] > http://lists.esug.org/mailman/listinfo/esug-list_lists.esug.org _______________________________________________ Esug-list mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.esug.org/mailman/listinfo/esug-list_lists.esug.org |
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