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stepharong

About printing without having ""

Hi

this is nearly more than a year that I ask if we can have a way to NOT
have "" when we print a result in the tool.
What is the status?
This %#$&^$&*(&)**&^$%#$&%*^&( popup BREAKS the flow when writing tests.
I'm FED UP to have to remove the " at the beginning and end of my
expression result.

We got an long discussion and now how it is handled?
I have the impression that the strategy here is to make sure that people
believe that they are heard but do not care.

Stef

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Denis Kudriashov

Re: About printing without having ""

I also don't like "next line" behavior when result inserted at next line instead of cursor position

28 янв. 2017 г. 9:28 AM пользователь "stepharong" <[hidden email]> написал:

Hi

this is nearly more than a year that I ask if we can have a way to NOT have "" when we print a result in the tool.
What is the status?
This %#$&^$&*(&)**&^$%#$&%*^&( popup BREAKS the flow when writing tests. I'm FED UP to have to remove the " at the beginning and end of my expression result.

We got an long discussion and now how it is handled?
I have the impression that the strategy here is to make sure that people believe that they are heard but do not care.

Stef

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Tudor Girba-2

Re: About printing without having ""

In reply to this post by stepharong

Hi,

The solution we agreed upon was integrated since quite some time now.

Try this:

- type 42

- press Cmd+p

It produces:

Cheers,

Doru

On Jan 28, 2017, at 9:27 AM, stepharong <[hidden email]> wrote:

Hi

this is nearly more than a year that I ask if we can have a way to NOT have "" when we print a result in the tool.
What is the status?
This %#$&^$&*(&)**&^$%#$&%*^&( popup BREAKS the flow when writing tests. I'm FED UP to have to remove the " at the beginning and end of my expression result.

We got an long discussion and now how it is handled?
I have the impression that the strategy here is to make sure that people believe that they are heard but do not care.

Stef

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www.feenk.com

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Peter Uhnak

Re: About printing without having ""

In reply to this post by Denis Kudriashov

There has been discussion about that too, but the resolution was that it was a feature or something.

http://forum.world.st/Keep-print-it-output-on-the-same-line-in-GTPlayground-td4893367.html

so I use my solution mentioned there in a startup script ( https://github.com/peteruhnak/pharo-scripts/blob/master/config/5.0/inline-playground.st )

Peter

On Sat, Jan 28, 2017 at 10:30:04AM +0100, Denis Kudriashov wrote:

> I also don't like "next line" behavior when result inserted at next line
> instead of cursor position
>
> 28 янв. 2017 г. 9:28 AM пользователь "stepharong" <[hidden email]>
> написал:
>
> > Hi
> >
> > this is nearly more than a year that I ask if we can have a way to NOT
> > have "" when we print a result in the tool.
> > What is the status?
> > This %#$&^$&*(&)**&^$%#$&%*^&( popup BREAKS the flow when writing tests.
> > I'm FED UP to have to remove the " at the beginning and end of my
> > expression result.
> >
> > We got an long discussion and now how it is handled?
> > I have the impression that the strategy here is to make sure that people
> > believe that they are heard but do not care.
> >
> > Stef
> >
> > --
> > Using Opera's mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/
> >
> >

Ben Coman

Re: About printing without having ""

In reply to this post by Tudor Girba-2

On Sat, Jan 28, 2017 at 6:18 PM, Tudor Girba <[hidden email]> wrote:

Hi,

The solution we agreed upon was integrated since quite some time now.

Here is the last discussion I know of...

http://forum.world.st/when-Cmd-P-can-just-display-a-string-in-the-debugger-td4909831.html

Try this:
- type 42
- press Cmd+p
- press Cmd+p

<snip>

Stef, does that work for you?

One minor improvement could be leaving the inserted result unselected

and instead place the cursor to the left of the inserted result, ready to type " equals: "

The inserted result doesn't need to remain selected to be easy to delete,

since the user could already have used <Backspace> to delete the popup.

cheers -ben

Cheers,
Doru

On Jan 28, 2017, at 9:27 AM, stepharong <[hidden email]> wrote:

Hi

this is nearly more than a year that I ask if we can have a way to NOT have "" when we print a result in the tool.
What is the status?
This %#$&^$&*(&)**&^$%#$&%*^&( popup BREAKS the flow when writing tests. I'm FED UP to have to remove the " at the beginning and end of my expression result.

We got an long discussion and now how it is handled?
I have the impression that the strategy here is to make sure that people believe that they are heard but do not care.

Stef

--
Using Opera's mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/

--
www.tudorgirba.com
www.feenk.com

“Software has no shape. Actually, it has no one shape. It has many."

kilon.alios

Re: About printing without having ""

it would be nice if print was removed completely and instead be replaced with an embedded inspector, but then thats just a dream of mine of workspace , system browser and inspector integrated in one tool and one GUI.

On Sat, Jan 28, 2017 at 4:46 PM Ben Coman <[hidden email]> wrote:

On Sat, Jan 28, 2017 at 6:18 PM, Tudor Girba <[hidden email]> wrote:
Hi,

The solution we agreed upon was integrated since quite some time now.

Here is the last discussion I know of...
http://forum.world.st/when-Cmd-P-can-just-display-a-string-in-the-debugger-td4909831.html

Try this:
- type 42
- press Cmd+p
- press Cmd+p

<snip>

Stef, does that work for you?
One minor improvement could be leaving the inserted result unselected
and instead place the cursor to the left of the inserted result, ready to type " equals: "

The inserted result doesn't need to remain selected to be easy to delete,
since the user could already have used <Backspace> to delete the popup.

cheers -ben

Cheers,
Doru

On Jan 28, 2017, at 9:27 AM, stepharong <[hidden email]> wrote:

Hi

this is nearly more than a year that I ask if we can have a way to NOT have "" when we print a result in the tool.
What is the status?
This %#$&^$&*(&)**&^$%#$&%*^&( popup BREAKS the flow when writing tests. I'm FED UP to have to remove the " at the beginning and end of my expression result.

We got an long discussion and now how it is handled?
I have the impression that the strategy here is to make sure that people believe that they are heard but do not care.

Stef

--
Using Opera's mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/

--
www.tudorgirba.com
www.feenk.com

“Software has no shape. Actually, it has no one shape. It has many."

stepharong

Re: About printing without having ""

it would be nice if print was removed completely and instead be replaced with an embedded inspector, but then thats just a dream of mine of workspace , system browser and inspector integrated in one tool and one GUI.

I have no problem that people invent new approaches but not at the expenses of breaking working flow.

And I do not see how what you propose can help me in my case.

Stef

On Sat, Jan 28, 2017 at 4:46 PM Ben Coman <[hidden email]> wrote:
On Sat, Jan 28, 2017 at 6:18 PM, Tudor Girba <[hidden email]> wrote:
Hi,

The solution we agreed upon was integrated since quite some time now.

Here is the last discussion I know of...
http://forum.world.st/when-Cmd-P-can-just-display-a-string-in-the-debugger-td4909831.html

Try this:
- type 42
- press Cmd+p
- press Cmd+p

<snip>

Stef, does that work for you?
One minor improvement could be leaving the inserted result unselected
and instead place the cursor to the left of the inserted result, ready to type " equals: "

The inserted result doesn't need to remain selected to be easy to delete,
since the user could already have used <Backspace> to delete the popup.

cheers -ben

Cheers,
Doru

On Jan 28, 2017, at 9:27 AM, stepharong <[hidden email]> wrote:

Hi

this is nearly more than a year that I ask if we can have a way to NOT have "" when we print a result in the tool.
What is the status?
This %#$&^$&*(&)**&^$%#$&%*^&( popup BREAKS the flow when writing tests. I'm FED UP to have to remove the " at the beginning and end of my expression result.

We got an long discussion and now how it is handled?
I have the impression that the strategy here is to make sure that people believe that they are heard but do not care.

Stef

--
Using Opera's mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/

--
www.tudorgirba.com
www.feenk.com

“Software has no shape. Actually, it has no one shape. It has many."

Using Opera's mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/

stepharong

Re: About printing without having ""

In reply to this post by Tudor Girba-2

Ok then it is good for me.

Now I had no idea how to discover it.

Stef

Hi,

The solution we agreed upon was integrated since quite some time now.

Try this:
- type 42
- press Cmd+p
- press Cmd+p

It produces:

Cheers,
Doru

On Jan 28, 2017, at 9:27 AM, stepharong <[hidden email]> wrote:

Hi

this is nearly more than a year that I ask if we can have a way to NOT have "" when we print a result in the tool.
What is the status?
This %#$&^$&*(&)**&^$%#$&%*^&( popup BREAKS the flow when writing tests. I'm FED UP to have to remove the " at the beginning and end of my expression result.

We got an long discussion and now how it is handled?
I have the impression that the strategy here is to make sure that people believe that they are heard but do not care.

Stef

--
Using Opera's mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/

--
www.tudorgirba.com
www.feenk.com

“Software has no shape. Actually, it has no one shape. It has many."

Using Opera's mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/

stepharong

Re: About printing without having ""

In reply to this post by Ben Coman

On Sat, 28 Jan 2017 15:44:59 +0100, Ben Coman <[hidden email]> wrote:

On Sat, Jan 28, 2017 at 6:18 PM, Tudor Girba <[hidden email]> wrote:
Hi,

The solution we agreed upon was integrated since quite some time now.

Here is the last discussion I know of...
http://forum.world.st/when-Cmd-P-can-just-display-a-string-in-the-debugger-td4909831.html

Try this:
- type 42
- press Cmd+p
- press Cmd+p

<snip>

Stef, does that work for you?

Yes at least I do not have to remove "" all the time.

One minor improvement could be leaving the inserted result unselected
and instead place the cursor to the left of the inserted result, ready to type " equals: "

The inserted result doesn't need to remain selected to be easy to delete,
since the user could already have used <Backspace> to delete the popup.

cheers -ben

Cheers,
Doru

On Jan 28, 2017, at 9:27 AM, stepharong <[hidden email]> wrote:

Hi

this is nearly more than a year that I ask if we can have a way to NOT have "" when we print a result in the tool.
What is the status?
This %#$&^$&*(&)**&^$%#$&%*^&( popup BREAKS the flow when writing tests. I'm FED UP to have to remove the " at the beginning and end of my expression result.

We got an long discussion and now how it is handled?
I have the impression that the strategy here is to make sure that people believe that they are heard but do not care.

Stef

--
Using Opera's mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/

--
www.tudorgirba.com
www.feenk.com

“Software has no shape. Actually, it has no one shape. It has many."

Using Opera's mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/

philippeback

Re: About printing without having ""

In reply to this post by Tudor Girba-2

I mean in the Darktheme.

On Sat, Jan 28, 2017 at 11:18 AM, Tudor Girba <[hidden email]> wrote:

Hi,

The solution we agreed upon was integrated since quite some time now.

Try this:
- type 42
- press Cmd+p
- press Cmd+p

It produces:

Cheers,
Doru

On Jan 28, 2017, at 9:27 AM, stepharong <[hidden email]> wrote:

Hi

this is nearly more than a year that I ask if we can have a way to NOT have "" when we print a result in the tool.
What is the status?
This %#$&^$&*(&)**&^$%#$&%*^&( popup BREAKS the flow when writing tests. I'm FED UP to have to remove the " at the beginning and end of my expression result.

We got an long discussion and now how it is handled?
I have the impression that the strategy here is to make sure that people believe that they are heard but do not care.

Stef

--
Using Opera's mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/

--
www.tudorgirba.com
www.feenk.com

“Software has no shape. Actually, it has no one shape. It has many."

philippeback

Re: About printing without having ""

In reply to this post by Tudor Girba-2

BTW the popup is unreadable in Pharo 5.0, which makes the C-P C-P mandatory...

Phil

On Sat, Jan 28, 2017 at 11:18 AM, Tudor Girba <[hidden email]> wrote:

Hi,

The solution we agreed upon was integrated since quite some time now.

Try this:
- type 42
- press Cmd+p
- press Cmd+p

It produces:

Cheers,
Doru

On Jan 28, 2017, at 9:27 AM, stepharong <[hidden email]> wrote:

Hi

this is nearly more than a year that I ask if we can have a way to NOT have "" when we print a result in the tool.
What is the status?
This %#$&^$&*(&)**&^$%#$&%*^&( popup BREAKS the flow when writing tests. I'm FED UP to have to remove the " at the beginning and end of my expression result.

We got an long discussion and now how it is handled?
I have the impression that the strategy here is to make sure that people believe that they are heard but do not care.

Stef

--
Using Opera's mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/

--
www.tudorgirba.com
www.feenk.com

“Software has no shape. Actually, it has no one shape. It has many."

philippeback

Re: About printing without having ""

In reply to this post by stepharong

I learnt something too, it will make less inspectors popping all over due to unreadability w/ the theme I use due to accessibility needs.

Phil

On Sat, Jan 28, 2017 at 4:30 PM, stepharong <[hidden email]> wrote:

Ok then it is good for me.
Now I had no idea how to discover it.

Stef

Hi,

The solution we agreed upon was integrated since quite some time now.

Try this:
- type 42
- press Cmd+p
- press Cmd+p

It produces:

Cheers,
Doru

On Jan 28, 2017, at 9:27 AM, stepharong <[hidden email]> wrote:

Hi

this is nearly more than a year that I ask if we can have a way to NOT have "" when we print a result in the tool.
What is the status?
This %#$&^$&*(&)**&^$%#$&%*^&( popup BREAKS the flow when writing tests. I'm FED UP to have to remove the " at the beginning and end of my expression result.

We got an long discussion and now how it is handled?
I have the impression that the strategy here is to make sure that people believe that they are heard but do not care.

Stef

--
Using Opera's mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/

--
www.tudorgirba.com
www.feenk.com

“Software has no shape. Actually, it has no one shape. It has many."

--
Using Opera's mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/

EstebanLM

Re: About printing without having ""

In reply to this post by philippeback

On 28 Jan 2017, at 23:56, [hidden email] wrote:

I mean in the Darktheme.

I have no problem with it and darktheme:

Esteban

On Sat, Jan 28, 2017 at 11:18 AM, Tudor Girba <[hidden email]> wrote:
Hi,

The solution we agreed upon was integrated since quite some time now.

Try this:
- type 42
- press Cmd+p
- press Cmd+p

It produces:

<print-playground.png>

Cheers,
Doru

On Jan 28, 2017, at 9:27 AM, stepharong <[hidden email]> wrote:

Hi

this is nearly more than a year that I ask if we can have a way to NOT have "" when we print a result in the tool.
What is the status?
This %#$&^$&*(&)**&^$%#$&%*^&( popup BREAKS the flow when writing tests. I'm FED UP to have to remove the " at the beginning and end of my expression result.

We got an long discussion and now how it is handled?
I have the impression that the strategy here is to make sure that people believe that they are heard but do not care.

Stef

--
Using Opera's mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/

--
www.tudorgirba.com
www.feenk.com

“Software has no shape. Actually, it has no one shape. It has many."