About tweets

> On 5 Sep 2019, at 08:03, ducasse <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> Hi guys
>
> I encourage everybody to read this issue until the last conversation.
> https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo/issues/4491
>
> I have problem to promote an aggregator that can contain tweets containing #abortionismurder inside.!!!!!!!!!
> And I have even more problem that this is in a tweet on Amber Weekly!!!!
>
> I do not know who is behind AmberSmalltalk tweets but for me this is clearly impossible to read this
> on a tweet that Pharo supports.
>
> I also have a problem to promote an aggregator account
> We can provide a list and people what they want.
> I do not like the idea of aggregation. So I vote against and I will ask the board to decide.
>
> Stef

> Am 05.09.2019 um 08:48 schrieb Esteban Lorenzano <[hidden email]>:
>
> Yes, I closed that issue.
>
> This is not going to happen, sorry :)
>
> Esteban
>
>> On 5 Sep 2019, at 08:03, ducasse <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> Hi guys
>>
>> I encourage everybody to read this issue until the last conversation.
>>    https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo/issues/4491
>>
>> I have problem to promote an aggregator that can contain tweets containing #abortionismurder inside.!!!!!!!!!
>> And I have even more problem that this is in a tweet on Amber Weekly!!!!
>>
>> I do not know who is behind AmberSmalltalk tweets but for me this is clearly impossible to read this
>> on a tweet that Pharo supports.
>>
>> I also have a problem to promote an aggregator account
>> We can provide a list and people what they want.
>> I do not like the idea of aggregation. So I vote against and I will ask the board to decide.
>>
>> Stef
>
>

> Gesendet: Donnerstag, 05. September 2019 um 08:03 Uhr
> Von: "ducasse" <[hidden email]>
> An: "Pharo Development List" <[hidden email]>
> Cc: "The Pharo Project" <[hidden email]>
> Betreff: [Pharo-dev] About tweets
>
> Hi guys
>
> I encourage everybody to read this issue until the last conversation.
> https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo/issues/4491
>
> I have problem to promote an aggregator that can contain tweets containing #abortionismurder inside.!!!!!!!!!
> And I have even more problem that this is in a tweet on Amber Weekly!!!!
>
> I do not know who is behind AmberSmalltalk tweets but for me this is clearly impossible to read this
> on a tweet that Pharo supports.
>
> I also have a problem to promote an aggregator account
> We can provide a list and people what they want.
> I do not like the idea of aggregation. So I vote against and I will ask the board to decide.
>
> Stef
>
>

> On 5 Sep 2019, at 10:54, Torsten Bergmann <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> Hi Stef,
>
> I understand - but before we focus the discussion too much on the mentioned #abortionismurder let's bring #4491 into perspective:
>
> 1. Important: I guess we all agree that we would like to tweet and inform as much on technical topics about Smalltalk in general and
>    Pharo in particular and not correlate our activities to single peoples personal habits, politics, religion or beliefs.
>
> 2. The aggregator that I suggested in the issue (https://twitter.com/WorldDotSt) is related to the website world.st - which is
>    a really useful technical resource on Smalltalk, Pharo and ESUG infos already throughout the years:
>
>     - The forum page http://forum.world.st is summarizing various ST Mailinglists including ESUG list
>     - https://twitter.com/WorldDotSt aggregates most of the Pharo and Smalltalker Tweets in existence
>
> 3. You are referring in this thread here to the following tweet: https://twitter.com/AmberSmalltalk/status/1169239145530761217
>    which is associating @esugsmalltalk @SergeStinckwich @stephaneducasse #smalltalk for whatever reason with the hash tag #abortionismurder
>
>    I understand your reaction and post - but this was done outside our boundaries by twitter user "AmberSmalltalk" - also not by the aggregator
>    itself. And yes - this "AmberSmalltalk" owner seems to mix sometimes personal beliefs into technical infos. I share your doubts and dislike
>    this as well.
>
>    It's a problem that existed before and is a problem of tweeting and social media in general. Something that is IMHO independent from described
>    issue #4491 - and you and Serge definitely need to sort out this #abortionismurder thing with the owner of this specific account.
>
> 4. The issue #4491 mentions that currently the Pharo community page (http://www.pharo.org/community)
>
>    for Twitter ONLY PROMOTES
>        a) the offical tweet account @pharoproject
>        b) your personal @stephaneducasse account
>    as the ones to follow.
>
>    But we have many more interesting community members tweeting on Pharo as you see on the list in the referred issue. So we should either
>    extend the community page with either more personal accounts, just use the offical one or use an external or own aggregator
>    including hashtags like #pharo, #pharoproject, ...
>
>
> 5. As you might have noticed I also opened a second issue #4490 (https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo/issues/4490) as for the blogs mentioned
>    on the community page we have something similar:
>
>    For Blogs WE ONLY PROMOTE on that page:
>        a) the official pharo weekly
>        b) my personal astares blog
>        c) the personal blog of clement
>
>    But my blog is not special either - so an aggregator of the various Smalltalks blogs (as the one suggested from planet smalltalk)
>    made initially sense to me as it would include more blogs of members of the community and we would not have to adopt the community page all
>    the time a new blog appears.
>
>    There are nice Pharo blogs out there like https://www.samadhiweb.com/blog, http://humane-assessment.com/blog and many other.
>
>    Same applies here: either we just include the offical blog that we control, a list of more blogs of the various members or an aggregator
>
> 6. Yes - the community is unable to control what people write on Twitter, Blogs or other social media. Even our mailinglist "pharo-users_lists"
>    is not free from personal habits as yesterdays disussion about "guns" showed.
>    (http://lists.pharo.org/pipermail/pharo-users_lists.pharo.org/2019-September/044168.html)
>
>    And maybe linking to these aggregators or promoting them is not a good idea. If we take the discussion (over)serious we should then
>    really only link to official twitter account and official pharo blog that the community can control.
>
>    In such a case we need to remove my blog and your personal twitter account from the community page as you sometimes tweet about
>    politics on your personal account too and I can potentially write on other non-technical topics on my blog as well (which I do not plan).
>
>
> Basically we have four options:
>  a) we only link to the official twitter account (https://twitter.com/pharoproject) and blog (https://pharoweekly.wordpress.com/)
>  b) extend the list with personal twitter accounts as mentioned in issue #4491 and blogs like mentioned in #4490
>  c) Link and rely on external aggregators
>  d) Setup an own aggregator on sources we trust
>
> Maybe as a valid solution an official "disclaimer" could help - that opinions shared on these PROMOTED sources are not controlled by
> us and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the Pharo community
>
> And yes - the board should discuss, check and decide what to put or link to from the community page.
>
> Thanks
> T.
>
>> Gesendet: Donnerstag, 05. September 2019 um 08:03 Uhr
>> Von: "ducasse" <[hidden email]>
>> An: "Pharo Development List" <[hidden email]>
>> Cc: "The Pharo Project" <[hidden email]>
>> Betreff: [Pharo-dev] About tweets
>>
>> Hi guys
>>
>> I encourage everybody to read this issue until the last conversation.
>> https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo/issues/4491
>>
>> I have problem to promote an aggregator that can contain tweets containing #abortionismurder inside.!!!!!!!!!
>> And I have even more problem that this is in a tweet on Amber Weekly!!!!
>>
>> I do not know who is behind AmberSmalltalk tweets but for me this is clearly impossible to read this
>> on a tweet that Pharo supports.
>>
>> I also have a problem to promote an aggregator account
>> We can provide a list and people what they want.
>> I do not like the idea of aggregation. So I vote against and I will ask the board to decide.
>>
>> Stef
>>
>>
>

> Am 05.09.2019 um 12:25 schrieb ducasse <[hidden email]>:
>
> We are in sync. So I updated the web site to list the main pharo project
> and I put a list of other accounts with a disclaimer.
>
> I can do the same with the blog posts.
>
> Stef
>
>> On 5 Sep 2019, at 10:54, Torsten Bergmann <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Stef,
>>
>> I understand - but before we focus the discussion too much on the mentioned #abortionismurder let's bring #4491 into perspective:
>>
>> 1. Important: I guess we all agree that we would like to tweet and inform as much on technical topics about Smalltalk in general and
>>   Pharo in particular and not correlate our activities to single peoples personal habits, politics, religion or beliefs.
>>
>> 2. The aggregator that I suggested in the issue (https://twitter.com/WorldDotSt) is related to the website world.st - which is
>>   a really useful technical resource on Smalltalk, Pharo and ESUG infos already throughout the years:
>>
>>    - The forum page http://forum.world.st is summarizing various ST Mailinglists including ESUG list
>>    - https://twitter.com/WorldDotSt aggregates most of the Pharo and Smalltalker Tweets in existence
>>
>> 3. You are referring in this thread here to the following tweet: https://twitter.com/AmberSmalltalk/status/1169239145530761217
>>   which is associating @esugsmalltalk @SergeStinckwich @stephaneducasse #smalltalk for whatever reason with the hash tag #abortionismurder
>>
>>   I understand your reaction and post - but this was done outside our boundaries by twitter user "AmberSmalltalk" - also not by the aggregator
>>   itself. And yes - this "AmberSmalltalk" owner seems to mix sometimes personal beliefs into technical infos. I share your doubts and dislike
>>   this as well.
>>
>>   It's a problem that existed before and is a problem of tweeting and social media in general. Something that is IMHO independent from described
>>   issue #4491 - and you and Serge definitely need to sort out this #abortionismurder thing with the owner of this specific account.
>>
>> 4. The issue #4491 mentions that currently the Pharo community page (http://www.pharo.org/community)
>>
>>   for Twitter ONLY PROMOTES
>>       a) the offical tweet account @pharoproject
>>       b) your personal @stephaneducasse account
>>   as the ones to follow.
>>
>>   But we have many more interesting community members tweeting on Pharo as you see on the list in the referred issue. So we should either
>>   extend the community page with either more personal accounts, just use the offical one or use an external or own aggregator
>>   including hashtags like #pharo, #pharoproject, ...
>>
>>
>> 5. As you might have noticed I also opened a second issue #4490 (https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo/issues/4490) as for the blogs mentioned
>>   on the community page we have something similar:
>>
>>   For Blogs WE ONLY PROMOTE on that page:
>>       a) the official pharo weekly
>>       b) my personal astares blog
>>       c) the personal blog of clement
>>
>>   But my blog is not special either - so an aggregator of the various Smalltalks blogs (as the one suggested from planet smalltalk)
>>   made initially sense to me as it would include more blogs of members of the community and we would not have to adopt the community page all
>>   the time a new blog appears.
>>
>>   There are nice Pharo blogs out there like https://www.samadhiweb.com/blog, http://humane-assessment.com/blog and many other.
>>
>>   Same applies here: either we just include the offical blog that we control, a list of more blogs of the various members or an aggregator
>>
>> 6. Yes - the community is unable to control what people write on Twitter, Blogs or other social media. Even our mailinglist "pharo-users_lists"
>>   is not free from personal habits as yesterdays disussion about "guns" showed.
>>   (http://lists.pharo.org/pipermail/pharo-users_lists.pharo.org/2019-September/044168.html)
>>
>>   And maybe linking to these aggregators or promoting them is not a good idea. If we take the discussion (over)serious we should then
>>   really only link to official twitter account and official pharo blog that the community can control.
>>
>>   In such a case we need to remove my blog and your personal twitter account from the community page as you sometimes tweet about
>>   politics on your personal account too and I can potentially write on other non-technical topics on my blog as well (which I do not plan).
>>
>>
>> Basically we have four options:
>> a) we only link to the official twitter account (https://twitter.com/pharoproject) and blog (https://pharoweekly.wordpress.com/)
>> b) extend the list with personal twitter accounts as mentioned in issue #4491 and blogs like mentioned in #4490
>> c) Link and rely on external aggregators
>> d) Setup an own aggregator on sources we trust
>>
>> Maybe as a valid solution an official "disclaimer" could help - that opinions shared on these PROMOTED sources are not controlled by
>> us and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the Pharo community
>>
>> And yes - the board should discuss, check and decide what to put or link to from the community page.
>>
>> Thanks
>> T.
>>
>>> Gesendet: Donnerstag, 05. September 2019 um 08:03 Uhr
>>> Von: "ducasse" <[hidden email]>
>>> An: "Pharo Development List" <[hidden email]>
>>> Cc: "The Pharo Project" <[hidden email]>
>>> Betreff: [Pharo-dev] About tweets
>>>
>>> Hi guys
>>>
>>> I encourage everybody to read this issue until the last conversation.
>>> https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo/issues/4491
>>>
>>> I have problem to promote an aggregator that can contain tweets containing #abortionismurder inside.!!!!!!!!!
>>> And I have even more problem that this is in a tweet on Amber Weekly!!!!
>>>
>>> I do not know who is behind AmberSmalltalk tweets but for me this is clearly impossible to read this
>>> on a tweet that Pharo supports.
>>>
>>> I also have a problem to promote an aggregator account
>>> We can provide a list and people what they want.
>>> I do not like the idea of aggregation. So I vote against and I will ask the board to decide.
>>>
>>> Stef
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>

> So now I should complain why my twitter account is not in this list? ;)
>
> All pharoers are equal ….
>
> Norbert
>
>> Am 05.09.2019 um 12:25 schrieb ducasse <[hidden email]>:
>>
>> We are in sync. So I updated the web site to list the main pharo project
>> and I put a list of other accounts with a disclaimer.
>>
>> I can do the same with the blog posts.
>>
>> Stef
>>
>>> On 5 Sep 2019, at 10:54, Torsten Bergmann <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Stef,
>>>
>>> I understand - but before we focus the discussion too much on the mentioned #abortionismurder let's bring #4491 into perspective:
>>>
>>> 1. Important: I guess we all agree that we would like to tweet and inform as much on technical topics about Smalltalk in general and
>>>  Pharo in particular and not correlate our activities to single peoples personal habits, politics, religion or beliefs.
>>>
>>> 2. The aggregator that I suggested in the issue (https://twitter.com/WorldDotSt) is related to the website world.st - which is
>>>  a really useful technical resource on Smalltalk, Pharo and ESUG infos already throughout the years:
>>>
>>>   - The forum page http://forum.world.st is summarizing various ST Mailinglists including ESUG list
>>>   - https://twitter.com/WorldDotSt aggregates most of the Pharo and Smalltalker Tweets in existence
>>>
>>> 3. You are referring in this thread here to the following tweet: https://twitter.com/AmberSmalltalk/status/1169239145530761217
>>>  which is associating @esugsmalltalk @SergeStinckwich @stephaneducasse #smalltalk for whatever reason with the hash tag #abortionismurder
>>>
>>>  I understand your reaction and post - but this was done outside our boundaries by twitter user "AmberSmalltalk" - also not by the aggregator
>>>  itself. And yes - this "AmberSmalltalk" owner seems to mix sometimes personal beliefs into technical infos. I share your doubts and dislike
>>>  this as well.
>>>
>>>  It's a problem that existed before and is a problem of tweeting and social media in general. Something that is IMHO independent from described
>>>  issue #4491 - and you and Serge definitely need to sort out this #abortionismurder thing with the owner of this specific account.
>>>
>>> 4. The issue #4491 mentions that currently the Pharo community page (http://www.pharo.org/community)
>>>
>>>  for Twitter ONLY PROMOTES
>>>      a) the offical tweet account @pharoproject
>>>      b) your personal @stephaneducasse account
>>>  as the ones to follow.
>>>
>>>  But we have many more interesting community members tweeting on Pharo as you see on the list in the referred issue. So we should either
>>>  extend the community page with either more personal accounts, just use the offical one or use an external or own aggregator
>>>  including hashtags like #pharo, #pharoproject, ...
>>>
>>>
>>> 5. As you might have noticed I also opened a second issue #4490 (https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo/issues/4490) as for the blogs mentioned
>>>  on the community page we have something similar:
>>>
>>>  For Blogs WE ONLY PROMOTE on that page:
>>>      a) the official pharo weekly
>>>      b) my personal astares blog
>>>      c) the personal blog of clement
>>>
>>>  But my blog is not special either - so an aggregator of the various Smalltalks blogs (as the one suggested from planet smalltalk)
>>>  made initially sense to me as it would include more blogs of members of the community and we would not have to adopt the community page all
>>>  the time a new blog appears.
>>>
>>>  There are nice Pharo blogs out there like https://www.samadhiweb.com/blog, http://humane-assessment.com/blog and many other.
>>>
>>>  Same applies here: either we just include the offical blog that we control, a list of more blogs of the various members or an aggregator
>>>
>>> 6. Yes - the community is unable to control what people write on Twitter, Blogs or other social media. Even our mailinglist "pharo-users_lists"
>>>  is not free from personal habits as yesterdays disussion about "guns" showed.
>>>  (http://lists.pharo.org/pipermail/pharo-users_lists.pharo.org/2019-September/044168.html)
>>>
>>>  And maybe linking to these aggregators or promoting them is not a good idea. If we take the discussion (over)serious we should then
>>>  really only link to official twitter account and official pharo blog that the community can control.
>>>
>>>  In such a case we need to remove my blog and your personal twitter account from the community page as you sometimes tweet about
>>>  politics on your personal account too and I can potentially write on other non-technical topics on my blog as well (which I do not plan).
>>>
>>>
>>> Basically we have four options:
>>> a) we only link to the official twitter account (https://twitter.com/pharoproject) and blog (https://pharoweekly.wordpress.com/)
>>> b) extend the list with personal twitter accounts as mentioned in issue #4491 and blogs like mentioned in #4490
>>> c) Link and rely on external aggregators
>>> d) Setup an own aggregator on sources we trust
>>>
>>> Maybe as a valid solution an official "disclaimer" could help - that opinions shared on these PROMOTED sources are not controlled by
>>> us and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the Pharo community
>>>
>>> And yes - the board should discuss, check and decide what to put or link to from the community page.
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>> T.
>>>
>>>> Gesendet: Donnerstag, 05. September 2019 um 08:03 Uhr
>>>> Von: "ducasse" <[hidden email]>
>>>> An: "Pharo Development List" <[hidden email]>
>>>> Cc: "The Pharo Project" <[hidden email]>
>>>> Betreff: [Pharo-dev] About tweets
>>>>
>>>> Hi guys
>>>>
>>>> I encourage everybody to read this issue until the last conversation.
>>>> https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo/issues/4491
>>>>
>>>> I have problem to promote an aggregator that can contain tweets containing #abortionismurder inside.!!!!!!!!!
>>>> And I have even more problem that this is in a tweet on Amber Weekly!!!!
>>>>
>>>> I do not know who is behind AmberSmalltalk tweets but for me this is clearly impossible to read this
>>>> on a tweet that Pharo supports.
>>>>
>>>> I also have a problem to promote an aggregator account
>>>> We can provide a list and people what they want.
>>>> I do not like the idea of aggregation. So I vote against and I will ask the board to decide.
>>>>
>>>> Stef
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>