Aida-Roles and Aida-Parties

Hi all,

I'm thinking about the usefulness of Aida-Roles and Aida-Parties...
I don't think those 2 packages should be included Aida. First, IMHO it
has nothing to do in a web framework, and it makes Aida bigger for
almost nothing. Maybe we should keep only the Person class, or move it
to Scribo?

Janko, if you use it for BiArt, maybe you could just move it from Aida
to BiArt?

What do others think?

Cheers!

Nico
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Nicolas Petton wrote:

> I'm thinking about the usefulness of Aida-Roles and Aida-Parties...
> I don't think those 2 packages should be included Aida. First, IMHO it
> has nothing to do in a web framework, and it makes Aida bigger for
> almost nothing. Maybe we should keep only the Person class, or move it
> to Scribo?

Party Role framework can be very valuable when you build more complex
security scenarios, for introducing role based access control for
instance. So even that is currently not used, can be in near future.

Duty of any framework is to provide tools for you and not necessary for
other parts of framework alone. And from my experience this tool is
valuable, that's why I decided to move it directly to Aida.

Another reason is that because of lack of such framework we have now two
objects for persons: WebUser and Person in Scribo. With party/role
framework in Aida we can now migrate in only one: Person with a WebUser
role!

Party role framework currently looks quite complicated but when a bit of
description will (hopefully soon) arise you see that it is not so
complicated as seems. But very powerful.

Janko

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Le samedi 17 mai 2008 à 14:13 +0200, Janko Mivšek a écrit : I didn't say it wasn't, but Aida is a web framework, not a Role/Party
framework. IMHO it's not its role to provide such party framework, and
it has nothing to do with web programming. Furthermore, I like to have
things clean and optimized, and instead of this role/party framework, I
would rather work on a persistence framework, which is more needed in my
opinion, and at least has something to do with a web framework.

Cheers!

Nico
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Nicolas Petton wrote:

User/Group/Security framework is also not necessary for a web framework
but we all know how big advantage is that for Aida.

Party framework looks not so important in the first sight but when you
start solving already mentioned WebUser/Person duality, you soon come to
conclusion that you need to move part of party framework to Aida. But if
you move part, why not more, at least as much as needed that party
framework is complete. That was my line of thinking when decided to move
it to Aida.

Also, don't underestimate all possible and not possible security needs
by your customers. Role based security for instance is quite common
those days. Just think Oracle for instance.

I don't say that party framework couldn't be simplified, but to
completely remove it, well, this is a step back from my viewpoint.

Janko




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