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HilaireFernandes

Aida and WebWidget

Hello there,

I continue my learning of Aida, with reusable component.
http://blog.drgeo.eu/post/2015/WebWidget-in-question

So far so good.

I more than welcome feedbacks to improve my understanding.

Thanks

Hilaire

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Janko Mivšek

Re: Aida and WebWidget

Hi Hilaire,

Just read your blog posts and I like to thank you for your effort. You
certainly describe nicely the main Aida goal: to hide all Ajax and other
JavaScript stuff from the programmer, allow him to concentrate on the
problem and solve it in pure Smalltalk. Ajax is just 10 years old, it
should be long a 'non-issue' already :)

Best regards
Janko

Dne 20. 02. 2015 21:57, piše Hilaire:

> Hello there,
>
> I continue my learning of Aida, with reusable component.
> http://blog.drgeo.eu/post/2015/WebWidget-in-question
>
> So far so good.
>
> I more than welcome feedbacks to improve my understanding.
>
> Thanks
>
> Hilaire
>

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HilaireFernandes

Re: Aida and WebWidget

Thanks Janko.

I hope more people could interact here.

Hilaire

Le 21/02/2015 20:50, Janko Mivšek a écrit :

> Hi Hilaire,
>
> Just read your blog posts and I like to thank you for your effort. You
> certainly describe nicely the main Aida goal: to hide all Ajax and other
> JavaScript stuff from the programmer, allow him to concentrate on the
> problem and solve it in pure Smalltalk. Ajax is just 10 years old, it
> should be long a 'non-issue' already :)
>
> Best regards
> Janko
>
> Dne 20. 02. 2015 21:57, piše Hilaire:
>> Hello there,
>>
>> I continue my learning of Aida, with reusable component.
>> http://blog.drgeo.eu/post/2015/WebWidget-in-question
>>
>> So far so good.
>>
>> I more than welcome feedbacks to improve my understanding.
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Hilaire
>>

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Søren skogstad nielsen

Re: Aida and WebWidget

Hi Hilaire...
I read it.
If you, hopefully, continue to document your journey in AIDA.
It would have been very good for me to study, when I started my own journey for nearly two years ago.
And now have a working App.
(The App is a platform for Interactive fiction with integrated sounds, and pictures where the server for runs a Dolphin Smalltalk image)
AIDA is a tool with so many fine things for a Smalltalker going to the web.
So more tutorial material from a newcomer to AIDA like that, you have started, would be very helpfull for everybody.
And your blog layout is just so nice !

Regards

The world is just one big friendly surprise-
Søren Skogstad Nielsen
tlf: 50994638

On 22-02-2015 21:24, Hilaire wrote:
Thanks Janko.

I hope more people could interact here.

Hilaire

Le 21/02/2015 20:50, Janko Mivšek a écrit :
Hi Hilaire,

Just read your blog posts and I like to thank you for your effort. You
certainly describe nicely the main Aida goal: to hide all Ajax and other
JavaScript stuff from the programmer, allow him to concentrate on the
problem and solve it in pure Smalltalk. Ajax is just 10 years old, it
should be long a 'non-issue' already

Best regards
Janko

Dne 20. 02. 2015 21:57, piše Hilaire:
Hello there,

I continue my learning of Aida, with reusable component.
http://blog.drgeo.eu/post/2015/WebWidget-in-question

So far so good.

I more than welcome feedbacks to improve my understanding.

Thanks

Hilaire

Den søndag den 22. februar 2015 kl. 21.25.11 UTC+1 skrev Hilaire:

Thanks Janko.
I hope more people could interact here.
Hilaire
Le 21/02/2015 20:50, Janko Mivšek a écrit :

> Hi Hilaire,
>
> Just read your blog posts and I like to thank you for your effort. You
> certainly describe nicely the main Aida goal: to hide all Ajax and other
> JavaScript stuff from the programmer, allow him to concentrate on the
> problem and solve it in pure Smalltalk. Ajax is just 10 years old, it
> should be long a 'non-issue' already :)
>
> Best regards
> Janko
>
> Dne 20. 02. 2015 21:57, piše Hilaire:
>> Hello there,
>>
>> I continue my learning of Aida, with reusable component.
>> <a href="http://blog.drgeo.eu/post/2015/WebWidget-in-question" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" onmousedown="this.href='http://www.google.com/url?q\75http%3A%2F%2Fblog.drgeo.eu%2Fpost%2F2015%2FWebWidget-in-question\46sa\75D\46sntz\0751\46usg\75AFQjCNHT22HWC_BzR0Zpq9uVM0hSADje9g';return true;" onclick="this.href='http://www.google.com/url?q\75http%3A%2F%2Fblog.drgeo.eu%2Fpost%2F2015%2FWebWidget-in-question\46sa\75D\46sntz\0751\46usg\75AFQjCNHT22HWC_BzR0Zpq9uVM0hSADje9g';return true;">http://blog.drgeo.eu/post/2015/WebWidget-in-question
>>
>> So far so good.
>>
>> I more than welcome feedbacks to improve my understanding.
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Hilaire
>>
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Janko Mivšek

Re: Aida and WebWidget

Hi Søren,

Nice to hear that! And about your app too. And it would be just nice if
we can put a screenshot or even a link to it to the
http://www.aidaweb.si/success-stories ...

Best regards
Janko

Dne 24. 02. 2015 10:50, piše Søren Skogstad Nielsen:

> Hi Hilaire...
> I read it.
> If you, hopefully, continue to document your journey in AIDA.
> It would have been very good for me to study, when I started my own
> journey for nearly two years ago.
> And now have a working App.
> (The App is a platform for Interactive fiction with integrated sounds,
> and pictures where the server for runs a Dolphin Smalltalk image)
> AIDA is a tool with so many fine things for a Smalltalker going to the web.
> So more tutorial material from a newcomer to AIDA like that, you have
> started, would be very helpfull for everybody.
> And your blog layout is just so nice !
>
> Regards
>
> The world is just one big friendly surprise-
> Søren Skogstad Nielsen
> tlf: 50994638
>
> On 22-02-2015 21:24, Hilaire wrote:
> Thanks Janko.
>
> I hope more people could interact here.
>
> Hilaire
>
> Le 21/02/2015 20:50, Janko Mivšek a écrit :
> Hi Hilaire,
>
> Just read your blog posts and I like to thank you for your effort. You
> certainly describe nicely the main Aida goal: to hide all Ajax and other
> JavaScript stuff from the programmer, allow him to concentrate on the
> problem and solve it in pure Smalltalk. Ajax is just 10 years old, it
> should be long a 'non-issue' already
>
> Best regards
> Janko
>
> Dne 20. 02. 2015 21:57, piše Hilaire:
> Hello there,
>
> I continue my learning of Aida, with reusable component.
> http://blog.drgeo.eu/post/2015/WebWidget-in-question
>
> So far so good.
>
> I more than welcome feedbacks to improve my understanding.
>
> Thanks
>
> Hilaire
>
>
> Den søndag den 22. februar 2015 kl. 21.25.11 UTC+1 skrev Hilaire:
>
> Thanks Janko.
>
> I hope more people could interact here.
>
> Hilaire
>
> Le 21/02/2015 20:50, Janko Mivšek a écrit :
> > Hi Hilaire,
> >
> > Just read your blog posts and I like to thank you for your effort. You
> > certainly describe nicely the main Aida goal: to hide all Ajax and
> other
> > JavaScript stuff from the programmer, allow him to concentrate on the
> > problem and solve it in pure Smalltalk. Ajax is just 10 years old, it
> > should be long a 'non-issue' already :)
> >
> > Best regards
> > Janko
> >
> > Dne 20. 02. 2015 21:57, piše Hilaire:
> >> Hello there,
> >>
> >> I continue my learning of Aida, with reusable component.
> >> http://blog.drgeo.eu/post/2015/WebWidget-in-question
> <http://blog.drgeo.eu/post/2015/WebWidget-in-question>
> >>
> >> So far so good.
> >>
> >> I more than welcome feedbacks to improve my understanding.
> >>
> >> Thanks
> >>
> >> Hilaire
> >>
>
>
> --
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> iStoa - http://istoa.drgeo.eu

>

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HilaireFernandes

Re: Aida and WebWidget

In reply to this post by Søren skogstad nielsen

Hi Søren

Thanks for the interests. When I'll find out interesting stuff, I will
continue to write notes then.

As Janko, I am curious about your web application.
I am also curious to read from other, what are you doing with Aida? It
could lead to interesting exchanges and discussion.

Thanks

Hilaire

Le 24/02/2015 10:50, Søren Skogstad Nielsen a écrit :

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Søren skogstad nielsen

Re: Aida and WebWidget

Hi Hilaire
A short note concerning the archetecture of my PicturesInYourHead app.
In interactive fiction the story unfolds depending on the activity of the reader, the reader 'reads', then decides for some response and the next section of text
is presented depending of this response.
In the PicturesInYourHead app. The server may respond on
one Textual channel, two sound channels and three image channels.
The channels may be updated each time the user responds.
Furthermore the authoring platform makes it possible to set up delayed action events on server side.
When such an event occurs one or more channels may have to be updated too.
-------
I knew Smalltalk but had no knowledge of Server or Web architecture, HTML or CSS.
But studying the AIDA architecture and bolts and nuts - ' How is this happening?', 'Can I copy this trick?' i ended up with
the following architecture of the client server interface:
--------
1 Sound channels
The server maintains two queues of soundfiles to play.
Whenever the client observes it has no sound to play/playing it asks the server to deliver one.
This request is set up through a timer controlled ajax (soundhandling itself needed javascript, was not that simple)
I could not use a page refresh, because ongoing playing sounds was then disturbed, (repeated/ truncated/stopped).
2 Image channels
The server will update each channel at each reader response if needed.
I use an Ajax construct for that, so only the Image page elements are updated
because a page refresh would disturb an ongoing sound.
3 Textual channels
This channel is updated through ajax too, to just change this channels element on the page.
4 Delayed events on server side.
This is actually 'COMET' architecture i suppose.
A timed request is repeatedly sent to the server from the client.
And if a delayed event has happened, the server will ask the channels to update the client.

Here is a link to the non web parts of the platform (Warning everything is in danish) ;-)
http://picturesinyourhead.vpweb.dk/
many regards
Søren

Den tirsdag den 24. februar 2015 kl. 21.49.53 UTC+1 skrev Hilaire:

Hi Søren

Thanks for the interests. When I'll find out interesting stuff, I will
continue to write notes then.

As Janko, I am curious about your web application.
I am also curious to read from other, what are you doing with Aida? It
could lead to interesting exchanges and discussion.

Thanks

Hilaire

Le 24/02/2015 10:50, Søren Skogstad Nielsen a écrit :

> Hi Hilaire...
> I read it.
> If you, hopefully, continue to document your journey in AIDA.
> It would have been very good for me to study, when I started my own
> journey for nearly two years ago.
> And now have a working App.
> (The App is a platform for Interactive fiction with integrated sounds,
> and pictures where the server for runs a Dolphin Smalltalk image)
> AIDA is a tool with so many fine things for a Smalltalker going to the
> web.
> So more tutorial material from a newcomer to AIDA like that, you have
> started, would be very helpfull for everybody.
> And your blog layout is just so nice !
>
> Regards
>
> The world is just one big friendly surprise-
> Søren Skogstad Nielsen
> tlf: 50994638
>

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HilaireFernandes

Aida use case

Hi Søren,

I changed the subject to match the discussion topic.
Your project looks like an interesting one, do you have any screen shot
or video to share with us?

Which exact version of Aida are you using?
I guess you have the Desktop editor developed with Dolphin as well?

Thanks

Hilaire

Le 25/02/2015 13:10, Søren Skogstad Nielsen a écrit :

> Hi Hilaire
> A short note concerning the archetecture of my PicturesInYourHead app.
> In interactive fiction the story unfolds depending on the activity of
> the reader, the reader 'reads', then decides for some response and the
> next section of text
> is presented depending of this response.
> In the PicturesInYourHead app. The server may respond on
> one Textual channel, two sound channels and three image channels.
> The channels may be updated each time the user responds.
> Furthermore the authoring platform makes it possible to set up delayed
> action events on server side.
> When such an event occurs one or more channels may have to be updated too.
> -------
> I knew Smalltalk but had no knowledge of Server or Web architecture,
> HTML or CSS.
> But studying the AIDA architecture and bolts and nuts - ' How is this
> happening?', 'Can I copy this trick?' i ended up with
> the following architecture of the client server interface:
> --------
> 1 Sound channels
> The server maintains two queues of soundfiles to play.
> Whenever the client observes it has no sound to play/playing it asks
> the server to deliver one.
> This request is set up through a timer controlled ajax (soundhandling
> itself needed javascript, was not that simple)
> I could not use a page refresh, because ongoing playing sounds was
> then disturbed, (repeated/ truncated/stopped).
> 2 Image channels
> The server will update each channel at each reader response if needed.
> I use an Ajax construct for that, so only the Image page elements are
> updated
> because a page refresh would disturb an ongoing sound.
> 3 Textual channels
> This channel is updated through ajax too, to just change this channels
> element on the page.
> 4 Delayed events on server side.
> This is actually 'COMET' architecture i suppose.
> A timed request is repeatedly sent to the server from the client.
> And if a delayed event has happened, the server will ask the channels
> to update the client.
>
> Here is a link to the non web parts of the platform (Warning
> everything is in danish) ;-)
> http://picturesinyourhead.vpweb.dk/
> many regards
> Søren
>

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Re: Aida use case

Hi Hilaire
Thanks for your interest in the PicturesInYourHead app !
Here is a single screen shot where the user is caught populating his library with an Interactive fiction story.
More screenshots can be found here: https://www.facebook.com/groups/PicturesInYourHead/
A screencast video will show up later in this facebook group.
The project uses the AIDA 6.0 Dolphin Version. Ported by Bruno Buzzi Brasesco I should say I am very thankfull to Bruno for this work :-)
And to Janko for the AIDA platform of course!
The combined editor/presenter is written in Dolphin 6.03.
In the following link you will find a lot of instruction videos which presents the facillities.
of the editor part. http://picturesinyourhead.vpweb.dk/Vejledninger-og-videoer.html
Video 3 and video 7 presents many of the facillities. Video 0 presents principles and exerpts of three interactive fiction stories.

Concerning the architecture I forgot to mention that I created a proxy layer between the Dolphin generated windows and views and the channels to the browser.
This Idea turned out to work very well.
Many regards
Søren

Den torsdag den 26. februar 2015 kl. 17.16.08 UTC+1 skrev Hilaire:

Hi Søren,

I changed the subject to match the discussion topic.
Your project looks like an interesting one, do you have any screen shot
or video to share with us?

Which exact version of Aida are you using?
I guess you have the Desktop editor developed with Dolphin as well?

Thanks

Hilaire

Le 25/02/2015 13:10, Søren Skogstad Nielsen a écrit :

> Hi Hilaire
> A short note concerning the archetecture of my PicturesInYourHead app.
> In interactive fiction the story unfolds depending on the activity of
> the reader, the reader 'reads', then decides for some response and the
> next section of text
> is presented depending of this response.
> In the PicturesInYourHead app. The server may respond on
> one Textual channel, two sound channels and three image channels.
> The channels may be updated each time the user responds.
> Furthermore the authoring platform makes it possible to set up delayed
> action events on server side.
> When such an event occurs one or more channels may have to be updated too.
> -------
> I knew Smalltalk but had no knowledge of Server or Web architecture,
> HTML or CSS.
> But studying the AIDA architecture and bolts and nuts - ' How is this
> happening?', 'Can I copy this trick?' i ended up with
> the following architecture of the client server interface:
> --------
> 1 Sound channels
> The server maintains two queues of soundfiles to play.
> Whenever the client observes it has no sound to play/playing it asks
> the server to deliver one.
> This request is set up through a timer controlled ajax (soundhandling
> itself needed javascript, was not that simple)
> I could not use a page refresh, because ongoing playing sounds was
> then disturbed, (repeated/ truncated/stopped).
> 2 Image channels
> The server will update each channel at each reader response if needed.
> I use an Ajax construct for that, so only the Image page elements are
> updated
> because a page refresh would disturb an ongoing sound.
> 3 Textual channels
> This channel is updated through ajax too, to just change this channels
> element on the page.
> 4 Delayed events on server side.
> This is actually 'COMET' architecture i suppose.
> A timed request is repeatedly sent to the server from the client.
> And if a delayed event has happened, the server will ask the channels
> to update the client.
>
> Here is a link to the non web parts of the platform (Warning
> everything is in danish) ;-)
> <a href="http://picturesinyourhead.vpweb.dk/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" onmousedown="this.href='http://www.google.com/url?q\75http%3A%2F%2Fpicturesinyourhead.vpweb.dk%2F\46sa\75D\46sntz\0751\46usg\75AFQjCNE-ptIglfDgxeWfkhHkfKMqRjU6mg';return true;" onclick="this.href='http://www.google.com/url?q\75http%3A%2F%2Fpicturesinyourhead.vpweb.dk%2F\46sa\75D\46sntz\0751\46usg\75AFQjCNE-ptIglfDgxeWfkhHkfKMqRjU6mg';return true;">http://picturesinyourhead.vpweb.dk/
> many regards
> Søren
>

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