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HilaireFernandes

Alternate browser

Hello,

Do we have an installable browser for Pharo, simple but reliable as was
Browser?

Hilaire

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Thierry Goubier

Re: Alternate browser

Le 26/11/2014 21:30, Hilaire a écrit :
> Hello,
>
> Do we have an installable browser for Pharo, simple but reliable as was
> Browser?

What is Browser? A system browser?

Thierry

> Hilaire
>
>

HilaireFernandes

Re: Alternate browser

Le 26/11/2014 21:44, Thierry Goubier a écrit :
>> Do we have an installable browser for Pharo, simple but reliable as was
>> Browser?
>
> What is Browser? A system browser?

Yes, to browser code

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Thierry Goubier

Re: Alternate browser

Le 26/11/2014 21:51, Hilaire a écrit :
> Le 26/11/2014 21:44, Thierry Goubier a écrit :
>>> Do we have an installable browser for Pharo, simple but reliable as was
>>> Browser?
>>
>> What is Browser? A system browser?
>
>
> Yes, to browser code

Then Stéphane has a simple one, for minimal Pharo.

I have one, AltBrowser, which is not so minimal (size-wise, it's a bit
larger than the old system browser). It's installable (look for
ConfigurationOfAltBrowser) and reliable enough for my coding in Pharo2,
Pharo3 and Pharo4.

I believe Doru could make a simple one out of GTPlayground in a short time.

Sean showed some experiments a while back.

Kilon is looking to see if he can build one. I believe he can :)

Thierry

kilon.alios

Re: Alternate browser

"Kilon is looking to see if he can build one. I believe he can :)"

I wont be building one from scratch , I like your AltBrowser too much to do that. You basically took the 4 panels of the System Browser and reduced them to 2 panels. My goal will be to reduce them to one panel .For that to happens I already forked your browser and I will adding small changes here and there.

I am also interested how to make text code more visual, think of it like adding halos to code itself. I am very interested into visual coding. Other ideas I have is dynamic documentation inside the same panel and also the ability to tag methods and classes for easier browsing. So mine will be just an extension to yours. One step at a time and see where it takes me.

stepharo

Re: Alternate browser

In reply to this post by HilaireFernandes

Le 26/11/14 21:30, Hilaire a écrit :
> Hello,
>
> Do we have an installable browser for Pharo, simple but reliable as was
> Browser?
What is the problem that you have with the current one?

Stef
>
> Hilaire
>
>

Adventurer

Re: Alternate browser

In reply to this post by kilon.alios

So, I would like to look at AltBrowser, but when I try to install it in a Pharo 4 image I get an exception “ZdcPluginMissing: SSL/TLS plugin initialization failed” Any ideas on where to find it?

I’ve already tried installing Zodiac, Zinc-Zodiac and SqueakSSL and still no plugin.

Craig

From: Pharo-users [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of kilon alios
Sent: 27 November 2014 12:28 AM
To: Any question about pharo is welcome
Subject: Re: [Pharo-users] Alternate browser

"Kilon is looking to see if he can build one. I believe he can :)"

Sven Van Caekenberghe-2

Re: Alternate browser

You do not have to install anything extra inside the image, Zodiac is a standard part of Pharo.

But, as the error says 'plugin missing', you do need to use a VM with the SSL plugin, like a normal Pharo VM.

Which VM/platform are you using ?

> On 27 Nov 2014, at 08:23, Craig <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> So, I would like to look at AltBrowser, but when I try to install it in a Pharo 4 image I get an exception “ZdcPluginMissing: SSL/TLS plugin initialization failed” Any ideas on where to find it?
>
> I’ve already tried installing Zodiac, Zinc-Zodiac and SqueakSSL and still no plugin.
>
> Craig
>
>
>
> From: Pharo-users [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of kilon alios
> Sent: 27 November 2014 12:28 AM
> To: Any question about pharo is welcome
> Subject: Re: [Pharo-users] Alternate browser
>
> "Kilon is looking to see if he can build one. I believe he can :)"
>
> I wont be building one from scratch , I like your AltBrowser too much to do that. You basically took the 4 panels of the System Browser and reduced them to 2 panels. My goal will be to reduce them to one panel .For that to happens I already forked your browser and I will adding small changes here and there.
>
> I am also interested how to make text code more visual, think of it like adding halos to code itself. I am very interested into visual coding. Other ideas I have is dynamic documentation inside the same panel and also the ability to tag methods and classes for easier browsing. So mine will be just an extension to yours. One step at a time and see where it takes me.

Adventurer

Re: Alternate browser

Hi Sven,

My VM is Cog VM 4.0.0 (release)

Craig

-----Original Message-----
From: Pharo-users [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Sven Van Caekenberghe
Sent: 27 November 2014 10:06 AM
To: Any question about pharo is welcome
Subject: Re: [Pharo-users] Alternate browser

You do not have to install anything extra inside the image, Zodiac is a standard part of Pharo.

But, as the error says 'plugin missing', you do need to use a VM with the SSL plugin, like a normal Pharo VM.

Which VM/platform are you using ?

philippeback

Re: Alternate browser

AltBrowser loads ok in my 3.0 on PharoVM.

Phil

Sven Van Caekenberghe-2

Re: Alternate browser

In reply to this post by Adventurer

That is not the Pharo VM. And you didn't tell me which platform you are on.

If you are on Linux, you need libSqueakSSL next to your VM binary.

$ ldd bin/libSqueakSSL.so
linux-gate.so.1 => (0xffffe000)
libssl.so.0.9.8 => /usr/lib32/i686/cmov/libssl.so.0.9.8 (0xf768e000)
libc.so.6 => /lib32/libc.so.6 (0xf753a000)
libcrypto.so.0.9.8 => /usr/lib32/i686/cmov/libcrypto.so.0.9.8 (0xf73f7000)
libdl.so.2 => /lib32/libdl.so.2 (0xf73f3000)
libz.so.1 => /usr/lib32/libz.so.1 (0xf73de000)
/lib/ld-linux.so.2 (0xf76e6000)

Note that on a 64-bit system, you need 32-bit SSL libraries on your system.

> On 27 Nov 2014, at 09:11, Craig <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> Hi Sven,
>
> My VM is Cog VM 4.0.0 (release)
>
> Craig
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Pharo-users [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Sven Van Caekenberghe
> Sent: 27 November 2014 10:06 AM
> To: Any question about pharo is welcome
> Subject: Re: [Pharo-users] Alternate browser
>
> You do not have to install anything extra inside the image, Zodiac is a standard part of Pharo.
>
> But, as the error says 'plugin missing', you do need to use a VM with the SSL plugin, like a normal Pharo VM.
>
> Which VM/platform are you using ?
>
>

Adventurer

Re: Alternate browser

In reply to this post by Sven Van Caekenberghe-2

Thanks Sven,

Never mind. I just installed the September 25 VM and AltBrowser now works just fine :)

Craig

-----Original Message-----
From: Craig [mailto:[hidden email]]
Sent: 27 November 2014 10:11 AM
To: 'Any question about pharo is welcome'
Subject: RE: [Pharo-users] Alternate browser

Hi Sven,

My VM is Cog VM 4.0.0 (release)

Craig

-----Original Message-----
From: Pharo-users [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Sven Van Caekenberghe
Sent: 27 November 2014 10:06 AM
To: Any question about pharo is welcome
Subject: Re: [Pharo-users] Alternate browser

You do not have to install anything extra inside the image, Zodiac is a standard part of Pharo.

But, as the error says 'plugin missing', you do need to use a VM with the SSL plugin, like a normal Pharo VM.

Which VM/platform are you using ?

Thierry Goubier

Re: Alternate browser

Hi Craig,

tell me how it goes for you. Things you like in it, things you don't.

If you need a bit of a

Thierry

2014-11-27 9:31 GMT+01:00 Craig <[hidden email]>:

Thanks Sven,

Never mind. I just installed the September 25 VM and AltBrowser now works just fine :)

Craig

-----Original Message-----
From: Craig [mailto:[hidden email]]
Sent: 27 November 2014 10:11 AM
To: 'Any question about pharo is welcome'
Subject: RE: [Pharo-users] Alternate browser

Hi Sven,

My VM is Cog VM 4.0.0 (release)

Craig

-----Original Message-----
From: Pharo-users [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Sven Van Caekenberghe
Sent: 27 November 2014 10:06 AM
To: Any question about pharo is welcome
Subject: Re: [Pharo-users] Alternate browser

You do not have to install anything extra inside the image, Zodiac is a standard part of Pharo.

But, as the error says 'plugin missing', you do need to use a VM with the SSL plugin, like a normal Pharo VM.

Which VM/platform are you using ?

Thierry Goubier

Re: Alternate browser

2014-11-27 10:49 GMT+01:00 Thierry Goubier <[hidden email]>:

Hi Craig,

tell me how it goes for you. Things you like in it, things you don't.

If you need a bit of a

guide / report, it is available there: http://thierrygoubier.github.io/AltBrowser/

Thierry

Thierry

2014-11-27 9:31 GMT+01:00 Craig <[hidden email]>:
Thanks Sven,

Never mind. I just installed the September 25 VM and AltBrowser now works just fine :)

Craig

-----Original Message-----
From: Craig [mailto:[hidden email]]
Sent: 27 November 2014 10:11 AM
To: 'Any question about pharo is welcome'
Subject: RE: [Pharo-users] Alternate browser

Hi Sven,

My VM is Cog VM 4.0.0 (release)

Craig

-----Original Message-----
From: Pharo-users [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Sven Van Caekenberghe
Sent: 27 November 2014 10:06 AM
To: Any question about pharo is welcome
Subject: Re: [Pharo-users] Alternate browser

You do not have to install anything extra inside the image, Zodiac is a standard part of Pharo.

But, as the error says 'plugin missing', you do need to use a VM with the SSL plugin, like a normal Pharo VM.

Which VM/platform are you using ?

HilaireFernandes

Re: Alternate browser

In reply to this post by Thierry Goubier

Le 26/11/2014 22:18, Thierry Goubier a écrit :
> Then Stéphane has a simple one, for minimal Pharo.
>
> I have one, AltBrowser, which is not so minimal (size-wise, it's a bit
> larger than the old system browser). It's installable (look for
> ConfigurationOfAltBrowser) and reliable enough for my coding in Pharo2,
> Pharo3 and Pharo4.

I will try thanks

Hilaire

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HilaireFernandes

Re: Alternate browser

In reply to this post by stepharo

Le 27/11/2014 08:03, stepharo a écrit :
>
> Le 26/11/14 21:30, Hilaire a écrit :
>> Hello,
>>
>> Do we have an installable browser for Pharo, simple but reliable as was
>> Browser?
> What is the problem that you have with the current one?

It is unstable with me. It is really feature complete, it is nice, but I
may use wrongly.
May be with a simpler one I will do less mistake.

Hilaire

--
Dr. Geo - http://drgeo.eu
iStoa - http://istoa.drgeo.eu

http://drgeo.eu

Thierry Goubier

Re: Alternate browser

In reply to this post by HilaireFernandes

Le 27/11/2014 22:22, Hilaire a écrit :
> Le 26/11/2014 22:18, Thierry Goubier a écrit :
>> Then Stéphane has a simple one, for minimal Pharo.
>>
>> I have one, AltBrowser, which is not so minimal (size-wise, it's a bit
>> larger than the old system browser). It's installable (look for
>> ConfigurationOfAltBrowser) and reliable enough for my coding in Pharo2,
>> Pharo3 and Pharo4.
>
> I will try thanks

I'm cleaning up a lot of small issues I had with it as I write (mostly
refreshing/deselection issues when redefining/renaming classes).

I'm done with the pharo3.0 branch on github; I'm now merging those into
the pharo4.0 branch with git (i.e. merging with git on the command line
without Monticello merge).

Just tell how it goes for you; even if this is not the browser you like,
your feedback will tell us where we can improve.

Thierry

>
> Hilaire
>

Marcus Denker-4

Re: Alternate browser

In reply to this post by HilaireFernandes

> On 27 Nov 2014, at 22:25, Hilaire <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> Le 27/11/2014 08:03, stepharo a écrit :
>>
>> Le 26/11/14 21:30, Hilaire a écrit :
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> Do we have an installable browser for Pharo, simple but reliable as was
>>> Browser?
>> What is the problem that you have with the current one?
>
>
> It is unstable with me. It is really feature complete, it is nice, but I
> may use wrongly.
> May be with a simpler one I will do less mistake.
>

If nobody reports and fixes problems, they will stay forever.

Marcus

HilaireFernandes

Re: Alternate browser

Le 28/11/2014 08:07, Marcus Denker a écrit :
>> It is unstable with me. It is really feature complete, it is nice, but I
>> > may use wrongly.
>> > May be with a simpler one I will do less mistake.
>> >
> If nobody reports and fixes problems, they will stay forever.

Reported, they are.

Hilaire

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iStoa - http://istoa.drgeo.eu

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stepharo

Re: Alternate browser

where?

Le 28/11/14 21:30, Hilaire a écrit :

> Le 28/11/2014 08:07, Marcus Denker a écrit :
>>> It is unstable with me. It is really feature complete, it is nice, but I
>>>> may use wrongly.
>>>> May be with a simpler one I will do less mistake.
>>>>
>> If nobody reports and fixes problems, they will stay forever.
> Reported, they are.
>
> Hilaire
>

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