Amber hosted locally for rapid prototyping and experiments
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Hello everyone, I'm intruding on your patience again. I had this spark of insight late last night and I wanted to tell you all about it so I hope this goes through, the mailinglist seems to lag behind and my e-mails are probably moderated arriving a day late sometimes. I would like to discuss an interesting use case for Amber. For a long time I've been using this single page entirely Javascript wiki app called TiddlyWiki5. It can be installed on a NodeJS server and act as a collaboration platform. Source code here https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5 with instructions on how to install here http://tiddlywiki.com/#Installing%20TiddlyWiki%20on%20Node.js Amber is "basically" an entirely Javascript app too. It can alse be installed on a NodeJS backend and also and act as a development hub to that particular app. Source code here http://tiddlywiki.com/#Installing%20TiddlyWiki%20on%20Node.js with instructions on how to install here http://docs.amber-lang.net/faq.html But here is where the 'similarities' end. Unbeknownst to most is the fact that TiddlyWiki, being a Javascript app, also has a 'local' or 'single-file' mode where the entire app is stored in a .html file on your local storage. This 'single-file' mode is remarcably similar to what a .image file is to Pharo or Squeak Smalltalk. How it works: Enter the single-file, self modifying Javascript app TiddlyWiki. It is a single .html file http://tiddlywiki.com/empty.html (right click to download an empty wiki). You double click this .html file to open it locally. Click the "+" sign on the right to add a "Tiddler" note and the Checkmark sign in the note to save it. If you close the page, all edits are lost. Q: How do you save the modified Tiddlywiki, Javascript in the Web Browser is forbidden to access local resources? A: Easy, you just click File - Save As from your Favorite Web Browser. A new .html file is created with your saved content which you can save over the old one. Imagine if Amber were like this, and it essentially is that way today. Amber is client-side in its essence, and mainly used to develop single page designs. From what I see NodeJS is partly used as a persistence mechanism (along with other things) when running a "hosted" Amber website so one can commit code written in a "remote" Web Browser. In theory the already compiled Amber code could be packaged together with accompanying HTML into a single file and run as is (if all it uses are page resources). If one wanted, it could even include the IDE, together with the source code packaged inside the file, so you can modify the single-file Amber while it runs in the Web Browser, compile it and so on. But wait there's more, here is where it becomes really interesting. Tiddlywiki goes even further: Q: Yes, yes but wouldn't it be nice if it could save itself automagically every time I edit a method, or every time I commit a package? A: Not so easy... But it's already been done. Believe it or not they even have Automatic Saving. but for that you need Firefox with the TiddlyFox https://addons.mozilla.org/ro/firefox/addon/tiddlyfox/ extension installed. Now when you open your local file with Firefox (+TiddlyFox) you are asked if you want to enable local file saving for this file (it asks for every new file and remembers the ones you already added) Done. Now Click the “+” sign to add a new Tiddler, edit it, click the checkmark to save it and now the top right corner lights up with a notification. Wiki saved. * this is how TiddlyFox the extensions sets up an environment to save the file https://github.com/TiddlyWiki/TiddlyFox/blob/6cf9c9ee6e128a681548529316b3d31a8362fe0d/content/overlay.js#L84 Using Amber and Helios IDE in a local development scenario for rapid prototyping, have you ever considered this? I can't see exactly if you guys have considered this scenario but it seemed rather interesting. Good parts I can see: 1. From a UX point if view this is similar to the One Click Experience in Pharo. Download one file, double click, it works. Essentially the .html file is the "image" and every Browser on the planet is the "VM". After you experiment and develop locally you can the your code out and put it in the hosted site. 2. Very good for beginers to test out quickly, deploy, delete, restart. Imagine a portable file like this with Amber-Athens testing out code for manipulating vectors. 3. Ability to have tens of versions of the same code by just copying the file instead of creating new apps on the server. Thank you for taking the time to read this far. You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "amber-lang" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [hidden email]. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. |
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I'm very familiar with Tiddlywiki and some of it's derivative like MGSD.
As I understand it, with Amber all the js magic happens in the browser, and in this case Node is simply a dumb webserver. To verify this, run one of your Amber projects by opening it's index.html file in a web-browser. I think that you'll find that it runs just fine. Therefore I would agree that Amber could be run in the same way, and I intend to run it this way myself. However, the self-modifying html file concept is another headache altogether. It runs foul of browser security mechanisms and is difficult for a layman to get to work. The Tiddlywiki guys had to write various mechanisms to break browser security to get it to work, things like Tiddlyfox, Tiddlysaver.jar and AndTidWiki on Android. In the end they've moved to Dropbox and local storage. I don't believe that Amber should go down this path, the Tiddlywiki guys have been there, and it's not fun. HTH, Craig |
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I have been using TW Classic for some time myself, mostly for simple interactive resumes that are filterable by category. I never managed to use it for much outside of the hosted version on tiddlyspace, and in the corporate environment where it was too much to ask for a wiki server, i could share and collaborate with a few people on the intranet only if I could get them to use firefox. but here is where i think the next big thing we have been waiting to become a reality for a while: a decentralized, serverless wiki. This project has much promise but when I think of it being implemented in Amber, I get much more excited:
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I've done some digging around in the Javascript in TiddlyWiki and figured out most of the inner workings of the save process. Also had a detailed discussion with H Hizel and S Sastre here in the list to see if this is possible. If there is confirmation from dev people higher up that this scenario is interesting and will be supported if we make the effort to add it I don't mind putting up some of the resources to encourage development. Alas I can't figure out if this is a 10 hour job, a 30 hour job or in the hundreds. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "amber-lang" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [hidden email]. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. |
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Hi Mircea, could you point me to the thread on the Amber mailing list about the detailed discussion you had. That would be great. Apparently I missed those emails. :-) I have to say that I was thinking about something similar some time ago. Then I started to dig into how this could be achieved and ended up with a similar opinion to what Craig said about security issues and involved hacks. However, to get to something similar I read that it is at least required to make your application offline aware. Maybe that would be a first step in this direction to make it easy for Amber applications to also work in an offline mode. Then it would probably be possible to save files with one of the methods mentioned here: @herby what do you think? Thanks, Manfred On Thu, Feb 19, 2015 at 3:15 PM, Mircea S. <[hidden email]> wrote:
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Manfred Kröhnert wrote: > Hi Mircea, > > could you point me to the thread on the Amber mailing list about the > detailed discussion you had. > That would be great. > Apparently I missed those emails. :-) > > I have to say that I was thinking about something similar some time ago. > Then I started to dig into how this could be achieved > and ended up with a similar opinion to what Craig said about security > issues and involved hacks. > > However, to get to something similar I read that it is at least required > to make your application offline aware. > Maybe that would be a first step in this direction to make it easy for > Amber applications to also work in an offline mode. > > Then it would probably be possible to save files with one of the methods > mentioned here: > http://stackoverflow.com/questions/13405129/javascript-create-and-save-file > http://eligrey.com/demos/FileSaver.js/ > > @herby what do you think? Yes. But it's hard to do properly, it would be fine if it wasn't two totally separate systems there. Properly integrating (and redesigning) import-export-transport thing may be needed. As for compatibility, I would just use any W3C-blessed API, even if it only worked on a handful of browsers. No fallbacks like flash or whoknows. Helios is harder to do this way, though. One of the first step should probably be to make Helios injectable from parent app directly into html of the popup window / overlaid iframe (even if it would only be a script to load helios's the.js or something similar). > Thanks, > Manfred > > On Thu, Feb 19, 2015 at 3:15 PM, Mircea S. <[hidden email] > <mailto:[hidden email]>> wrote: > > I've done some digging around in the Javascript in TiddlyWiki and > figured out most of the inner workings of the save process. > > Also had a detailed discussion with H Hizel and S Sastre here in the > list to see if this is possible. > > If there is confirmation from dev people higher up that this > scenario is interesting and will be supported if we make the effort > to add it I don't mind putting up some of the resources to encourage > development. > > Alas I can't figure out if this is a 10 hour job, a 30 hour job or > in the hundreds. > > > > Pe 18 feb. 2015, la 18:36, Joe Shirk <[hidden email] > <mailto:[hidden email]>> a scris: > >> I have been using TW Classic for some time myself, mostly for >> simple interactive resumes that are filterable by category. I >> never managed to use it for much outside of the hosted version on >> tiddlyspace, and in the corporate environment where it was too >> much to ask for a wiki server, i could share and collaborate with >> a few people on the intranet only if I could get them to use >> firefox. but here is where i think the next big thing we have been >> waiting to become a reality for a while: a decentralized, >> serverless wiki. This project has much promise but when I think of >> it being implemented in Amber, I get much more excited: >> >> http://p2pvalue.eu/blog/awakening-decentralised-real-time-collaboration >> >> >> >> On Monday, February 9, 2015 at 7:51:00 AM UTC-5, Mircea S. wrote: >> >> Hello everyone, >> >> I'm intruding on your patience again. I had this spark of >> insight late last night and I wanted to tell you all about it >> so I hope this goes through, the mailinglist seems to lag >> behind and my e-mails are probably moderated arriving a day >> late sometimes. >> >> I would like to discuss an interesting use case for Amber. >> >> For a long time I've been using this single page entirely >> Javascript wiki app called TiddlyWiki5. It can be installed on >> a NodeJS server and act as a collaboration platform. Source >> code here https://github.com/__Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5 >> <https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5> with instructions >> on how to install here >> <a href="http://tiddlywiki.com/#__Installing%20TiddlyWiki%20on%__20Node.js">http://tiddlywiki.com/#__Installing%20TiddlyWiki%20on%__20Node.js >> <http://tiddlywiki.com/#Installing%20TiddlyWiki%20on%20Node.js> >> >> Amber is "basically" an entirely Javascript app too. It can >> alse be installed on a NodeJS backend and also and act as a >> development hub to that particular app. Source code here >> <a href="http://tiddlywiki.com/#__Installing%20TiddlyWiki%20on%__20Node.js">http://tiddlywiki.com/#__Installing%20TiddlyWiki%20on%__20Node.js >> <http://tiddlywiki.com/#Installing%20TiddlyWiki%20on%20Node.js> with >> instructions on how to install here >> http://docs.amber-lang.net/__faq.html >> <http://docs.amber-lang.net/faq.html> >> >> But here is where the 'similarities' end. Unbeknownst to most >> is the fact that TiddlyWiki, being a Javascript app, also has >> a 'local' or 'single-file' mode where the entire app is stored >> in a .html file on your local storage. This 'single-file' mode >> is remarcably similar to what a .image file is to Pharo or >> Squeak Smalltalk. >> >> How it works: >> Enter the single-file, self modifying Javascript app >> TiddlyWiki. It is a single .html file >> http://tiddlywiki.com/__empty.html >> <http://tiddlywiki.com/empty.html> (right click to download an >> empty wiki). You double click this .html file to open it >> locally. Click the "+" sign on the right to add a "Tiddler" >> note and the Checkmark sign in the note to save it. If you >> close the page, all edits are lost. >> >> Q: How do you save the modified Tiddlywiki, Javascript in the >> Web Browser is forbidden to access local resources? >> >> A: Easy, you just click File - Save As from your Favorite Web >> Browser. A new .html file is created with your saved content >> which you can save over the old one. >> >> >> Imagine if Amber were like this, and it essentially is that >> way today. Amber is client-side in its essence, and mainly >> used to develop single page designs. From what I see NodeJS is >> partly used as a persistence mechanism (along with other >> things) when running a "hosted" Amber website so one can >> commit code written in a "remote" Web Browser. >> >> >> In theory the already compiled Amber code could be packaged >> together with accompanying HTML into a single file and run as >> is (if all it uses are page resources). >> >> >> If one wanted, it could even include the IDE, together with >> the source code packaged inside the file, so you can modify >> the single-file Amber while it runs in the Web Browser, >> compile it and so on. >> >> >> *But wait there's more, here is where it becomes really >> interesting. Tiddlywiki goes even further:* >> >> >> Q: Yes, yes but wouldn't it be nice if it could save itself >> automagically every time I edit a method, or every time I >> commit a package? >> >> A: Not so easy... But it's already been done. >> >> Believe it or not they even have Automatic Saving. but for >> that you need Firefox with the TiddlyFox >> https://addons.__mozilla.org/ro/firefox/addon/__tiddlyfox/ >> <https://addons.mozilla.org/ro/firefox/addon/tiddlyfox/> extension >> installed. >> >> Now when you open your local file with Firefox (+TiddlyFox) >> you are asked if you want to enable local file saving for this >> file (it asks for every new file and remembers the ones you >> already added) >> >> Done. Now Click the “+” sign to add a new Tiddler, edit it, >> click the checkmark to save it and now the top right corner >> lights up with a notification. Wiki saved. >> >> >> * this is how TiddlyFox the extensions sets up an environment >> to save the file >> https://github.com/__TiddlyWiki/TiddlyFox/blob/__6cf9c9ee6e128a681548529316b3d3__1a8362fe0d/content/overlay.js#__L84 >> <https://github.com/TiddlyWiki/TiddlyFox/blob/6cf9c9ee6e128a681548529316b3d31a8362fe0d/content/overlay.js#L84> >> >> >> Using Amber and Helios IDE in a local development scenario for >> rapid prototyping, have you ever considered this? >> >> I can't see exactly if you guys have considered this scenario >> but it seemed rather interesting. >> >> >> Good parts I can see: >> >> >> 1. From a UX point if view this is similar to the One Click >> Experience in Pharo. Download one file, double click, it >> works. Essentially the .html file is the "image" and every >> Browser on the planet is the "VM". After you experiment and >> develop locally you can the your code out and put it in the >> hosted site. >> >> >> 2. Very good for beginers to test out quickly, deploy, delete, >> restart. Imagine a portable file like this with Amber-Athens >> testing out code for manipulating vectors. >> >> >> 3. Ability to have tens of versions of the same code by just >> copying the file instead of creating new apps on the server. >> >> >> Thank you for taking the time to read this far. >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> Groups "amber-lang" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >> send an email to [hidden email] >> <mailto:[hidden email]>. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "amber-lang" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, > send an email to [hidden email] > <mailto:[hidden email]>. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "amber-lang" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send > an email to [hidden email] > <mailto:[hidden email]>. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "amber-lang" group. 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Herby Vojčík wrote: > > > Manfred Kröhnert wrote: >> Hi Mircea, >> >> could you point me to the thread on the Amber mailing list about the >> detailed discussion you had. >> That would be great. >> Apparently I missed those emails. :-) >> >> I have to say that I was thinking about something similar some time ago. >> Then I started to dig into how this could be achieved >> and ended up with a similar opinion to what Craig said about security >> issues and involved hacks. >> >> However, to get to something similar I read that it is at least required >> to make your application offline aware. >> Maybe that would be a first step in this direction to make it easy for >> Amber applications to also work in an offline mode. >> >> Then it would probably be possible to save files with one of the methods >> mentioned here: >> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/13405129/javascript-create-and-save-file >> >> http://eligrey.com/demos/FileSaver.js/ >> >> @herby what do you think? > > Yes. OTOH. Problem no. 1 is how to get back to saved files, per package. Once you load it from file://image.html, you cannot HTTP PUT into server (CORS etc.). Problem no. 2: you kill VCS. You have the nice image-feeling, but you do lots of changes and are not doing "commit often" since you do not have files that can be diffed in the first place (yes, I am talking git; even Pharo is moving to git). Doing VCS in-image is ridicilous IMO, as you cannot do everything you can do in cli (basic things like commit, revert, reset, branching etc. can be there of course; but ahain, how will you perform it at all?). Taking VCS out of the way is so big an antipattern for me, that I would be willing to change previous "yes" to "no", even if I see this thins is cool. But wrong. IF we want to be able to VCS, we need to have that bunch of files to commit often anyway, in which case, what added value this thing (single loadable and saveable .html) bring (and it bring complications to maintain two different copies of the same thing)? > But it's hard to do properly, it would be fine if it wasn't two totally > separate systems there. Properly integrating (and redesigning) > import-export-transport thing may be needed. > > As for compatibility, I would just use any W3C-blessed API, even if it > only worked on a handful of browsers. No fallbacks like flash or whoknows. > > Helios is harder to do this way, though. One of the first step should > probably be to make Helios injectable from parent app directly into html > of the popup window / overlaid iframe (even if it would only be a script > to load helios's the.js or something similar). > >> Thanks, >> Manfred >> >> On Thu, Feb 19, 2015 at 3:15 PM, Mircea S. <[hidden email] >> <mailto:[hidden email]>> wrote: >> >> I've done some digging around in the Javascript in TiddlyWiki and >> figured out most of the inner workings of the save process. >> >> Also had a detailed discussion with H Hizel and S Sastre here in the >> list to see if this is possible. >> >> If there is confirmation from dev people higher up that this >> scenario is interesting and will be supported if we make the effort >> to add it I don't mind putting up some of the resources to encourage >> development. >> >> Alas I can't figure out if this is a 10 hour job, a 30 hour job or >> in the hundreds. >> >> >> >> Pe 18 feb. 2015, la 18:36, Joe Shirk <[hidden email] >> <mailto:[hidden email]>> a scris: >> >>> I have been using TW Classic for some time myself, mostly for >>> simple interactive resumes that are filterable by category. I >>> never managed to use it for much outside of the hosted version on >>> tiddlyspace, and in the corporate environment where it was too >>> much to ask for a wiki server, i could share and collaborate with >>> a few people on the intranet only if I could get them to use >>> firefox. but here is where i think the next big thing we have been >>> waiting to become a reality for a while: a decentralized, >>> serverless wiki. This project has much promise but when I think of >>> it being implemented in Amber, I get much more excited: >>> >>> http://p2pvalue.eu/blog/awakening-decentralised-real-time-collaboration >>> >>> >>> >>> On Monday, February 9, 2015 at 7:51:00 AM UTC-5, Mircea S. wrote: >>> >>> Hello everyone, >>> >>> I'm intruding on your patience again. I had this spark of >>> insight late last night and I wanted to tell you all about it >>> so I hope this goes through, the mailinglist seems to lag >>> behind and my e-mails are probably moderated arriving a day >>> late sometimes. >>> >>> I would like to discuss an interesting use case for Amber. >>> >>> For a long time I've been using this single page entirely >>> Javascript wiki app called TiddlyWiki5. It can be installed on >>> a NodeJS server and act as a collaboration platform. Source >>> code here https://github.com/__Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5 >>> <https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5> with instructions >>> on how to install here >>> <a href="http://tiddlywiki.com/#__Installing%20TiddlyWiki%20on%__20Node.js">http://tiddlywiki.com/#__Installing%20TiddlyWiki%20on%__20Node.js >>> <http://tiddlywiki.com/#Installing%20TiddlyWiki%20on%20Node.js> >>> >>> Amber is "basically" an entirely Javascript app too. It can >>> alse be installed on a NodeJS backend and also and act as a >>> development hub to that particular app. Source code here >>> <a href="http://tiddlywiki.com/#__Installing%20TiddlyWiki%20on%__20Node.js">http://tiddlywiki.com/#__Installing%20TiddlyWiki%20on%__20Node.js >>> <http://tiddlywiki.com/#Installing%20TiddlyWiki%20on%20Node.js> with >>> instructions on how to install here >>> http://docs.amber-lang.net/__faq.html >>> <http://docs.amber-lang.net/faq.html> >>> >>> But here is where the 'similarities' end. Unbeknownst to most >>> is the fact that TiddlyWiki, being a Javascript app, also has >>> a 'local' or 'single-file' mode where the entire app is stored >>> in a .html file on your local storage. This 'single-file' mode >>> is remarcably similar to what a .image file is to Pharo or >>> Squeak Smalltalk. >>> >>> How it works: >>> Enter the single-file, self modifying Javascript app >>> TiddlyWiki. It is a single .html file >>> http://tiddlywiki.com/__empty.html >>> <http://tiddlywiki.com/empty.html> (right click to download an >>> empty wiki). You double click this .html file to open it >>> locally. Click the "+" sign on the right to add a "Tiddler" >>> note and the Checkmark sign in the note to save it. If you >>> close the page, all edits are lost. >>> >>> Q: How do you save the modified Tiddlywiki, Javascript in the >>> Web Browser is forbidden to access local resources? >>> >>> A: Easy, you just click File - Save As from your Favorite Web >>> Browser. A new .html file is created with your saved content >>> which you can save over the old one. >>> >>> >>> Imagine if Amber were like this, and it essentially is that >>> way today. Amber is client-side in its essence, and mainly >>> used to develop single page designs. From what I see NodeJS is >>> partly used as a persistence mechanism (along with other >>> things) when running a "hosted" Amber website so one can >>> commit code written in a "remote" Web Browser. >>> >>> >>> In theory the already compiled Amber code could be packaged >>> together with accompanying HTML into a single file and run as >>> is (if all it uses are page resources). >>> >>> >>> If one wanted, it could even include the IDE, together with >>> the source code packaged inside the file, so you can modify >>> the single-file Amber while it runs in the Web Browser, >>> compile it and so on. >>> >>> >>> *But wait there's more, here is where it becomes really >>> interesting. Tiddlywiki goes even further:* >>> >>> >>> Q: Yes, yes but wouldn't it be nice if it could save itself >>> automagically every time I edit a method, or every time I >>> commit a package? >>> >>> A: Not so easy... But it's already been done. >>> >>> Believe it or not they even have Automatic Saving. but for >>> that you need Firefox with the TiddlyFox >>> https://addons.__mozilla.org/ro/firefox/addon/__tiddlyfox/ >>> <https://addons.mozilla.org/ro/firefox/addon/tiddlyfox/> extension >>> installed. >>> >>> Now when you open your local file with Firefox (+TiddlyFox) >>> you are asked if you want to enable local file saving for this >>> file (it asks for every new file and remembers the ones you >>> already added) >>> >>> Done. Now Click the “+” sign to add a new Tiddler, edit it, >>> click the checkmark to save it and now the top right corner >>> lights up with a notification. Wiki saved. >>> >>> >>> * this is how TiddlyFox the extensions sets up an environment >>> to save the file >>> https://github.com/__TiddlyWiki/TiddlyFox/blob/__6cf9c9ee6e128a681548529316b3d3__1a8362fe0d/content/overlay.js#__L84 >>> >>> <https://github.com/TiddlyWiki/TiddlyFox/blob/6cf9c9ee6e128a681548529316b3d31a8362fe0d/content/overlay.js#L84> >>> >>> >>> >>> Using Amber and Helios IDE in a local development scenario for >>> rapid prototyping, have you ever considered this? >>> >>> I can't see exactly if you guys have considered this scenario >>> but it seemed rather interesting. >>> >>> >>> Good parts I can see: >>> >>> >>> 1. From a UX point if view this is similar to the One Click >>> Experience in Pharo. Download one file, double click, it >>> works. Essentially the .html file is the "image" and every >>> Browser on the planet is the "VM". After you experiment and >>> develop locally you can the your code out and put it in the >>> hosted site. >>> >>> >>> 2. Very good for beginers to test out quickly, deploy, delete, >>> restart. Imagine a portable file like this with Amber-Athens >>> testing out code for manipulating vectors. >>> >>> >>> 3. Ability to have tens of versions of the same code by just >>> copying the file instead of creating new apps on the server. >>> >>> >>> Thank you for taking the time to read this far. >>> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "amber-lang" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>> send an email to [hidden email] >>> <mailto:[hidden email]>. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> Groups "amber-lang" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >> send an email to [hidden email] >> <mailto:[hidden email]>. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> Groups "amber-lang" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >> an email to [hidden email] >> <mailto:[hidden email]>. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "amber-lang" group. 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Hello Mircea, I wanted to check back if you would be interested in helping make Amber applications offline aware as a first step. Best, Manfred On Fri, Feb 20, 2015 at 12:31 PM, Herby Vojčík <[hidden email]> wrote:
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This looks not-too future: ALEXANDRIA Their latest email update: I'm not too thrilled about the 'coin' aspect, but the blockchain underpinnings are here today. On Sun, Mar 15, 2015 at 2:11 PM, Mir S. <[hidden email]> wrote:
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killer app that should be in Amber On Mar 16, 2015 9:19 PM, "Joe Shirk" <[hidden email]> wrote:
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Interesting demo.
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