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SandstoneDb written by Ramon Leon could be a solution for small web projects : http://onsmalltalk.com/sandstonedb-simple-activerecord-style-persistence-in-squeak I do not ask the seaside team to work on that but as a community we could really get something. -- Gaëtan Le Brun www.linkedin.com/in/gaetanlebrun "The best way to predict the future is to invent it.", A.Kay, 1971 _______________________________________________ seaside mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside |
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2009/4/10 stephane ducasse <[hidden email]>:
> > On Apr 9, 2009, at 10:07 PM, Eagle Offshore wrote: > >> There are a couple good solutions I've found lately. >> >> ActiveScaffold for Ruby on Rails is great for just getting CRUD happening >> - I used it to avoid writing a LOT of admin UI on a recent project. > > I imagine and I still think that this is cruelly missing in Seaside. > I do not ask the seaside team to work on that but as a community we could > really get something. I could release the code for the "Seaside Builder", which should be named "SmallFaces Builder", only if there's someone interested in improving what's done (which is ugly). I don't know how many of you has seen the SF video, but it showed some of the capabilities of the Atlas video, of course, among other things, they had a nicer UI and the layout specifications apparently solved, I don't know if they use a constraint solver, which is the right way to work that kind of things. The whole idea of SF is to provide support for multiple frameworks (XForms, XUL, Aida, Seaside, etc), and support for higher level widgets, so we work now in that direction, the builder was done in our spare time, so it's like an experiment. When I saw the SeaBreeze video I thought the SFBuilder had no reason to live, but anyway if you want it, just ask me ;) > Right now for such kind of applications people should go to ruby -- sounds > bad to me. > > Stef >> >> >> Django has "the admin" module - also really amazing as an easy to >> customize admin solution (but not from the browser). >> >> Good end to end solutions are appearing for data editing - but not so much >> for more conventional application widgetry with layout management and such. >> >> On Apr 8, 2009, at 11:51 PM, stephane ducasse wrote: >> >>> I still think that this is not that easy to define really stupid >>> applications managing list of items. >>> There is a lack of ready to customize solutions. >>> >>> edit >>> add/delete >>> see report >>> output report >>> >>> for really stupid items. >>> I see this as a reccurring patterns. >>> >>> I imagine the same for >>> tabbed >>> menu >>> navigation >>> _______________________________________________ >>> seaside mailing list >>> [hidden email] >>> http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside >> >> _______________________________________________ >> seaside mailing list >> [hidden email] >> http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside >> > > _______________________________________________ > seaside mailing list > [hidden email] > http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside > seaside mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside |
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You might have a look at what Cincom is doing with Web Velocity:
http://www.cincomsmalltalk.com/userblogs/cincom/blogView?content=smalltalk_daily_coming_attractions James Robertson Cincom Smalltalk Product Evangelist http://www.cincomsmalltalk.com/blog/blogView Talk Small and Carry a Big Class Library On Apr 10, 2009, at 2:54 AM, stephane ducasse wrote: > > On Apr 9, 2009, at 10:07 PM, Eagle Offshore wrote: > >> There are a couple good solutions I've found lately. >> >> ActiveScaffold for Ruby on Rails is great for just getting CRUD >> happening - I used it to avoid writing a LOT of admin UI on a >> recent project. > > I imagine and I still think that this is cruelly missing in Seaside. > I do not ask the seaside team to work on that but as a community we > could really get something. > Right now for such kind of applications people should go to ruby -- > sounds bad to me. > > Stef >> >> >> Django has "the admin" module - also really amazing as an easy to >> customize admin solution (but not from the browser). >> >> Good end to end solutions are appearing for data editing - but not >> so much for more conventional application widgetry with layout >> management and such. >> >> On Apr 8, 2009, at 11:51 PM, stephane ducasse wrote: >> >>> I still think that this is not that easy to define really stupid >>> applications managing list of items. >>> There is a lack of ready to customize solutions. >>> >>> edit >>> add/delete >>> see report >>> output report >>> >>> for really stupid items. >>> I see this as a reccurring patterns. >>> >>> I imagine the same for >>> tabbed >>> menu >>> navigation >>> _______________________________________________ >>> seaside mailing list >>> [hidden email] >>> http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside >> >> _______________________________________________ >> seaside mailing list >> [hidden email] >> http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside >> > > _______________________________________________ > seaside mailing list > [hidden email] > http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside > _______________________________________________ seaside mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside |
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I played with Cappuccino late last year. At that time the
"Objective-J" implementation was riddled with bugs, creating a "simple" application was a nightmare, and it ran like utter shit. To deploy anything you ran it through a compiler and uploaded the .j files (or whatever it was). PS good luck debugging it. Sure the demos they put together are fancy, but go write an application in it and you quickly start running into the awful parts. The learning curve is huge, and what you get out of it can be achieved in (much) less code by simply using jquery. I'll stick with Seaside/Gemstone. _______________________________________________ seaside mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside |
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That's a valuable experience.
thanks for sharing Sean sebastian > -----Mensaje original----- > De: [hidden email] > [mailto:[hidden email]] En nombre > de Sean Malloy > Enviado el: Tuesday, April 14, 2009 03:07 > Para: Seaside - general discussion > Asunto: Re: [Seaside] Anybody see this? > > I played with Cappuccino late last year. At that time the > "Objective-J" implementation was riddled with bugs, creating a > "simple" application was a nightmare, and it ran like utter shit. To > deploy anything you ran it through a compiler and uploaded the .j > files (or whatever it was). PS good luck debugging it. > > Sure the demos they put together are fancy, but go write an > application in it and you quickly start running into the awful parts. > The learning curve is huge, and what you get out of it can be achieved > in (much) less code by simply using jquery. > > I'll stick with Seaside/Gemstone. > _______________________________________________ > seaside mailing list > [hidden email] > http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside _______________________________________________ seaside mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside |
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