Just a quick note to let you know that my new magzine is now online
www.bitwisemag.com . We have a beginner's tutorial to Smalltalk (so not much interest to people in this group - but maybe you can mention it to any newcomers?) Although the tutorial does explain how to use Dolphin Smalltalk it is mainly based around Squeak for the simple reason that Squeak is free. I'm hoping to carry a review of Dolphin later - just as soon as Andy can get me a copy (or even an unlock code for the beta would be nice - hint, hint!) all the best Huw Collingbourne ================================ Bitwise Magazine www.bitwisemag.com www.rantsandraves.co.uk Dark Neon Ltd. ================================ |
Huw,
> I'm hoping to carry a review of Dolphin later - just as soon as Andy > can get me a copy (or even an unlock code for the beta would be nice > - hint, hint!) I've sent you the serial number by e-mail. -- Andy Bower Dolphin Support www.object-arts.com |
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> all the best
> Huw Collingbourne That's a name I remember. I used to read your columns in the early issues of Computer Shopper (IIRC) back in the early/mid 80's. I seem to recall it being the best part, probably the reason I stopped buying the magazine :-) Good luck with the online venture. It looks interesting but I think you should post a link to "bytegeist" page in the comp.object newsgroup. Someone really ought to tell them, and as soon as possible, that OOP doesn't work :-) "OOP is snake-oil" indeed, anyone would think your columnist was trying to be controversial. Ian |
> That's a name I remember. I used to read your columns in the early issues
> of Computer Shopper (IIRC) back in the early/mid 80's. I seem to recall > it being the best part, probably the reason I stopped buying the magazine > :-) > Go on! Remind everyone of how ancient I am :-( > > "OOP is snake-oil" indeed, anyone would think your columnist was trying to > be controversial. > Well, Dermot has never been known to mince his words. Fortunately, he isn't just your average 'hack' and he has the real world experience to back up his opinions. As for me - well, I like OOP. It's just great for writing adventure games. Dermot, on the other hand, has tended to concentrate on developing realtime global risk trading systems and I believe he has been scarred by millions of lines of impenetratable C++. all the best Huw ================================ Bitwise Magazine www.bitwisemag.com www.rantsandraves.co.uk Dark Neon Ltd. ================================ |
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Ian,
> "OOP is snake-oil" indeed, anyone would think your columnist was trying to > be controversial. IMHO, he's missed the point. If anything has failed, it is not OO, but component software. Good read though. Have a good one, Bill -- Wilhelm K. Schwab, Ph.D. [hidden email] |
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Huw,
> > "OOP is snake-oil" indeed, anyone would think your columnist was > > trying to be controversial. > > > > Well, Dermot has never been known to mince his words. Fortunately, he > isn't just your average 'hack' and he has the real world experience > to back up his opinions. Hmm... well the example the Dermot gives to illustrate his dislike of OOP seems to smack more of a lack of a testing methodology than anything inherently wrong with sharing code via inheritance. > As for me - well, I like OOP. It's just great for writing adventure > games. Dermot, on the other hand, has tended to concentrate on > developing realtime global risk trading systems and I believe he has > been scarred by millions of lines of impenetratable C++. Possibly, the problem is that C++ isn't a very good OOP!! We have some real world experience of using OOP (and Smalltalk) for a critical real-time application, see: www.alchemetrics.org for some details. Best regards, -- Andy Bower Dolphin Support www.object-arts.com |
You may be interested to know that we now have a Letters To The Editor page:
http://www.bitwisemag.com/copy/letters/letters2.html So far we have received one letter that is strongly in agreement with Dermot and one that is equally strongly in disagreement. These will be published at the end of the month. In the meantime, if anyone feels the urge to respond to Dermot's piece (or anything else in Bitwise) all opinions are welcome.... :-) best wishes Huw Collingbourne p.s. When will Dolphin 6 be ready for either a preview or a review to be published? We're getting lots of feedback on our Smalltalk features and I'd like to follow up with more soon. ================================ Bitwise Magazine www.bitwisemag.com www.rantsandraves.co.uk Dark Neon Ltd. ================================ "Andy Bower" <[hidden email]> wrote in message news:[hidden email]... > Huw, > >> > "OOP is snake-oil" indeed, anyone would think your columnist was >> > trying to be controversial. >> > >> >> Well, Dermot has never been known to mince his words. Fortunately, he >> isn't just your average 'hack' and he has the real world experience >> to back up his opinions. > > Hmm... well the example the Dermot gives to illustrate his dislike of > OOP seems to smack more of a lack of a testing methodology than > anything inherently wrong with sharing code via inheritance. > >> As for me - well, I like OOP. It's just great for writing adventure >> games. Dermot, on the other hand, has tended to concentrate on >> developing realtime global risk trading systems and I believe he has >> been scarred by millions of lines of impenetratable C++. > > Possibly, the problem is that C++ isn't a very good OOP!! We have some > real world experience of using OOP (and Smalltalk) for a critical > real-time application, see: www.alchemetrics.org for some details. > > Best regards, > > -- > Andy Bower > Dolphin Support > www.object-arts.com |
Huw,
> p.s. When will Dolphin 6 be ready for either a preview or a review to > be published? We're getting lots of feedback on our Smalltalk > features and I'd like to follow up with more soon. Well, I'd rather not pre-release a D6 before it's ready but, as pointed out in an earlier thread, you are quite welcome to publish screenshots and comments about the beta if you wish (i.e. you are not under any sort of NDA). Perhaps, you could publish a mini-preview of D6 in BitWise. In the meantime, we can offer you a free copy of DVE5 to give away with BitWise, if you'd like. Contact me by e-mail and I can let you have an appropriate serial number. If you want to do this, I'd like to suggest that you don't just publish a download link and the serial number directly since we'd really like the receipients to be bonafide readers of your magazine to qualify. Perhaps you could run some sort of "competition" where the readers have to answer a question from the magazine text before the serial number is given out? Best regards, -- Andy Bower Dolphin Support www.object-arts.com |
Thanks, Andy. I'll be in touch shortly.
best wishes Huw Collingbourne ================================ Bitwise Magazine www.bitwisemag.com www.rantsandraves.co.uk Dark Neon Ltd. ================================ "Andy Bower" <[hidden email]> wrote in message news:[hidden email]... > Huw, > >> p.s. When will Dolphin 6 be ready for either a preview or a review to >> be published? We're getting lots of feedback on our Smalltalk >> features and I'd like to follow up with more soon. > > Well, I'd rather not pre-release a D6 before it's ready but, as pointed > out in an earlier thread, you are quite welcome to publish screenshots > and comments about the beta if you wish (i.e. you are not under any > sort of NDA). Perhaps, you could publish a mini-preview of D6 in > BitWise. > > In the meantime, we can offer you a free copy of DVE5 to give away with > BitWise, if you'd like. Contact me by e-mail and I can let you have an > appropriate serial number. If you want to do this, I'd like to suggest > that you don't just publish a download link and the serial number > directly since we'd really like the receipients to be bonafide readers > of your magazine to qualify. Perhaps you could run some sort of > "competition" where the readers have to answer a question from the > magazine text before the serial number is given out? > > Best regards, > > -- > Andy Bower > Dolphin Support > www.object-arts.com |
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