Bye, bye Jtalk... Hello Amber!
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As some of you may know there is a new Smalltalk in town - and up until
today it was called Jtalk. After a furious three week development period after the ESUG 2011 conference (where Jtalk raised some eyebrows) we are now making a first release humbly numbered 0.9. We are also taking the opportunity to pick a slicker name for Jtalk - Amber! New website is at: http://www.amber-lang.net So, why would you take a look at Amber? In our opinion Amber is perfectly positioned for the HTML5 onslaught and the explosion of all-things-javascript like for example Nodejs. It is a Smalltalk that plays well with others and can seamlessly use Javascript libraries. At the same time Amber feels like a *real* Smalltalk, the environment is all there including Workspace, Transcript, Browser, senders/implementors/references to class, TestRunner, Inspectors, code editing with syntax coloring and a Debugger. There is no image, but all compilation is incremental. Below follows a summary of the massive changes since ESUG that triggered us to make a first release. We hope you join us in developing Amber and having fun! There is already work being made in using Amber on top of Java using Rhino, using Amber for making games and lots more. Fork at github, join in #amber-lang on freenode and hop onto the mailing list. regards, Nicolas & Göran (and thanks to Laurent, David, Bernat, Stefan, Raimon, Alexandre, Dale, Juraj, Ken, Pavel and everyone else that have been involved) --------------------------------------- Language, compiler and runtime - New 100x faster parser built using PEGjs instead of the old parser built using PetitParser. - New much faster ChunkParser implementation in handwritten Amber instead of using PetitParser. - Improved parsing error report with quoted source code plus marker pinpointing parsing error. - Removed PetitParser since it is no longer needed by Amber itself. - Added compiler optimizations in the form of speculative inlining of specific messages and control structures. - Added support for dynamic Arrays, just like in Squeak/Pharo. - Added support for similar dynamic Dictionaries, not seen in other Smalltalks. - Added & and | as allowed binary selectors and implemented them in Boolean. - Added a Set implementation. - Added basic support for Packages, dependency management coming soon. ...and various extensions, enhancements and bug fixes to the library classes. Development environment - A working Debugger with integrated inspector, proceed etc. - A structure with multiple different Amber environments in different directories. - A working amberc command line compiler including a Makefile for recompiling the whole Amber. - Enabled TestRunner in the IDE for running unit tests based on SUnit. - Added "File in" button in Workspace to easily paste and filein source code in chunk format in the IDE. - Added "Rename package" and "Remove package" buttons to browser that use the new Package model. - Added a standalone webDAV server in Amber so that it is simpler to get up and running and able to commit code locally. Example code and ports - Ported ProfStef interactive tutorial, available on Amber homepage (www.amber-lang.net/learn.html) but also in examples directory. - Included the ESUG presentation as an example also in the examples directory. - Several new examples running on Node.js and webOS included, all with Makefiles. Various other things - Issue tracker on github now used as primary source, closed a bunch of reported issues. - Wiki pages on github with information on how to port code from other Smalltalks, lists of articles, tutorials, roadmap and more. -- Nicolas Petton http://www.nicolas-petton.fr _______________________________________________ seaside mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside |
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This sounds really interesting and exciting, congratulations!
On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 5:35 PM, Nicolas Petton <[hidden email]> wrote: > As some of you may know there is a new Smalltalk in town - and up until > today it was called Jtalk. After a furious three week development > period > after the ESUG 2011 conference (where Jtalk raised some eyebrows) we > are > now making a first release humbly numbered 0.9. We are also taking the > opportunity to pick a slicker name for Jtalk - Amber! > > New website is at: > > http://www.amber-lang.net > > So, why would you take a look at Amber? > > In our opinion Amber is perfectly positioned for the HTML5 onslaught > and > the explosion of all-things-javascript like for example Nodejs. It is a > Smalltalk that plays well with others and can seamlessly use Javascript > libraries. > > At the same time Amber feels like a *real* Smalltalk, the environment > is > all there including Workspace, Transcript, Browser, > senders/implementors/references to class, TestRunner, Inspectors, code > editing with syntax coloring and a Debugger. There is no image, but all > compilation is incremental. > > Below follows a summary of the massive changes since ESUG that > triggered > us to make a first release. > > We hope you join us in developing Amber and having fun! There is > already > work being made in using Amber on top of Java using Rhino, using Amber > for making games and lots more. Fork at github, join in #amber-lang on > freenode and hop onto the mailing list. > > regards, Nicolas & Göran > > (and thanks to Laurent, David, Bernat, Stefan, Raimon, Alexandre, Dale, > Juraj, Ken, Pavel and everyone else that have been involved) > --------------------------------------- > > Language, compiler and runtime > > - New 100x faster parser built using PEGjs instead of the old parser > built using PetitParser. > - New much faster ChunkParser implementation in handwritten Amber > instead of using PetitParser. > - Improved parsing error report with quoted source code plus marker > pinpointing parsing error. > - Removed PetitParser since it is no longer needed by Amber itself. > - Added compiler optimizations in the form of speculative inlining of > specific messages and control structures. > - Added support for dynamic Arrays, just like in Squeak/Pharo. > - Added support for similar dynamic Dictionaries, not seen in other > Smalltalks. > - Added & and | as allowed binary selectors and implemented them in > Boolean. > - Added a Set implementation. > - Added basic support for Packages, dependency management coming soon. > > ...and various extensions, enhancements and bug fixes to the library > classes. > > > Development environment > > - A working Debugger with integrated inspector, proceed etc. > - A structure with multiple different Amber environments in different > directories. > - A working amberc command line compiler including a Makefile for > recompiling the whole Amber. > - Enabled TestRunner in the IDE for running unit tests based on SUnit. > - Added "File in" button in Workspace to easily paste and filein source > code in chunk format in the IDE. > - Added "Rename package" and "Remove package" buttons to browser that > use the new Package model. > - Added a standalone webDAV server in Amber so that it is simpler to > get > up and running and able to commit code locally. > > > Example code and ports > > - Ported ProfStef interactive tutorial, available on Amber homepage > (www.amber-lang.net/learn.html) but also in examples directory. > - Included the ESUG presentation as an example also in the examples > directory. > - Several new examples running on Node.js and webOS included, all with > Makefiles. > > > Various other things > > - Issue tracker on github now used as primary source, closed a bunch of > reported issues. > - Wiki pages on github with information on how to port code from other > Smalltalks, lists of articles, tutorials, roadmap and more. > > -- > Nicolas Petton > http://www.nicolas-petton.fr > > _______________________________________________ > seaside mailing list > [hidden email] > http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside > seaside mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside |
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Looks very promising! any chance of a hello world-like tutorial? something to get the ball rolling when starting from zero _______________________________________________ seaside mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside |
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On 9/14/11, Jon Paynter <[hidden email]> wrote:
> Looks very promising! any chance of a hello world-like tutorial? something > to get the ball rolling when starting from zero http://amber-lang.net/learn.html _______________________________________________ seaside mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside |
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I tried it before and got an odd looking walkback-like dialog: "parse error on line 1 column 14. Expected ..."
Looks like that got fixed either on your side, or my side. Neat tutorial on the language. I was hoping for something that walks you through creating a simple app in the website.
I found the traditional seaside counter app. I can browse the code, but I dont see a way to run it. Im assuming the yellow rectangle is supposed to contain the app - but IE9, Chrome and Opera (mobile) give me an empty yellow rectangle with a dashed border.
Did I miss something? On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 11:56 PM, H. Hirzel <[hidden email]> wrote:
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Yeah, Chrome complains about jQuery being undefined in
jQuery(document).ready(function() {'#counters'._asJQuery()._append_(smalltalk.Counter._new())._append_(smalltalk.Counter._new())}); on the doc page. Need to run the script after the page loads I guess. Any example of using the debugger? That has been the one thing stopping me from using Jambertalk so far - I've tried to cause various exceptions from the workspace but nothing happened. Also, any plans to support the right click menu? rado _______________________________________________ seaside mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside |
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Hi!
On 09/14/2011 10:18 AM, radoslav hodnicak wrote: > Yeah, Chrome complains about jQuery being undefined in > > jQuery(document).ready(function() > {'#counters'._asJQuery()._append_(smalltalk.Counter._new())._append_(smalltalk.Counter._new())}); > > on the doc page. Need to run the script after the page loads I guess. Nicolas will fix as soon as I get hold of him :). We pushed Amber 0.9 out last night and then dropped to bed quite late. > Any example of using the debugger? That has been the one thing > stopping me from using Jambertalk so far - I've tried to cause various > exceptions from the workspace but nothing happened. There is a debugger now, although not fully complete, but still usable. You can just type in say "0 foo" in a Workspace, select code and press "DoIt" to see it. We plan on doing some screencasts - but haven't had time yet. If you run code that appears to "do nothing" - make sure to check javascript console - it might give a clue. And of course, it would indicate a bug in Amber :) > Also, any plans to support the right click menu? Nicolas would have to answer "UI IDE JQuery" questions. :) regards, Göran _______________________________________________ seaside mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside |
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2011/9/14 Göran Krampe <[hidden email]>:
> We plan on doing some screencasts - but haven't had time yet. a brief tutorial how to arrange for simple dev enviroment without apache would be great. Davorin Rusevljan http://www.cloud208.com/ _______________________________________________ seaside mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside |
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On 09/14/2011 09:35 AM, Jon Paynter wrote:
> I tried it before and got an odd looking walkback-like dialog: "parse > error on line 1 column 14. Expected ..." > > Looks like that got fixed either on your side, or my side. Not sure, if you end up selecting only a partial code or something - and press DoIt - you will get parsing errors, and it doesn't look too pretty right now. We will make the dialog better. > Neat tutorial on the language. I was hoping for something that walks > you through creating a simple app in the website. You can check wiki on github, especially this page: https://github.com/NicolasPetton/amber/wiki/Buzz-from-the-net Where there is a tutorial from Raimon Grau: http://puntoblogspot.blogspot.com/2011/09/jtalk-tutorial-valid-until-end-of-this.html > I found the traditional seaside counter app. I can browse the code, but > I dont see a way to run it. Im assuming the yellow rectangle is Raimon's tutorial shows one way: 'body' asJQuery append: Counter new. ...paste that into Workspace, select code and press "Doit". This will manipulate the DOM interactively of the page - so look above the IDE and make sure you "scroll down" because it is probably "hidden" behind the IDE. > supposed to contain the app - but IE9, Chrome and Opera (mobile) give me > an empty yellow rectangle with a dashed border. > > Did I miss something? No, that is a bug in the page. Probably something happened when Nicolas amberified the web pages last night. He will fix :) regards, Göran _______________________________________________ seaside mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside |
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On 09/14/2011 11:19 AM, Davorin Rusevljan wrote:
> 2011/9/14 Göran Krampe<[hidden email]>: >> We plan on doing some screencasts - but haven't had time yet. > > a brief tutorial how to arrange for simple dev enviroment without > apache would be great. Ok, here it is: - Clone Amber from github - Install Nodejs. Depends on your platform. I know that Linux and Mac is easy, Win seems slightly more tricky - haven't tested. You need Node if you want to use the command line compiler anyway. - Start Nicolas Amber server written for Node instead of Apache yadda: cd amber ./bin/server Then surf to http://localhost:4000 That will bring you to the old "website" but you are in fact looking at your own local git clone. Either press "Open browser" or use the two links to open two other Amber setups. Then commit will work. regards, Göran _______________________________________________ seaside mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside |
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Also - please join the Google group for more Amber discussion:
http://groups.google.com/group/amber-lang regards, Göran _______________________________________________ seaside mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside |
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Tetris new startNewGame
ends up with infinite loop in 12 doesnot understand ifTrue:ifFalse: error. 2011/9/14 Göran Krampe <[hidden email]>: > Also - please join the Google group for more Amber discussion: > > http://groups.google.com/group/amber-lang > > regards, Göran > _______________________________________________ > seaside mailing list > [hidden email] > http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside > -- Best regards, Igor Stasenko. _______________________________________________ seaside mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside |
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I should have removed (or better rewrite) the Tetris game, it's outdated
and not expected to work :/ Nico On Wed, 2011-09-14 at 13:45 +0200, Igor Stasenko wrote: > Tetris new startNewGame > > ends up with infinite loop in > 12 doesnot understand ifTrue:ifFalse: > error. > > > > 2011/9/14 Göran Krampe <[hidden email]>: > > Also - please join the Google group for more Amber discussion: > > > > http://groups.google.com/group/amber-lang > > > > regards, Göran > > _______________________________________________ > > seaside mailing list > > [hidden email] > > http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside > > > > > -- Nicolas Petton http://www.nicolas-petton.fr _______________________________________________ seaside mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside |
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On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 11:19:49AM +0200, Davorin Rusevljan wrote:
> a brief tutorial how to arrange for simple dev enviroment without > apache would be great. Have a look at MorphIDE. http://samadhiweb.com/blog/2011.09.03.morphide.html http://ss3.gemstone.com/ss/MorphIDE Written in Pharo using Zinc. _______________________________________________ seaside mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside |
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Congratulations. Amber is done very, very well and has exceeded all expectations I had by far, beating even the things I liked about OMeta JS.
Amber feels and acts like a real Smalltalk environment. Awoke my interested in developing again.
And again, the name is a beautiful choice. I want a T-Shirt with the logo. Can someone vectorize it, or do I need to do it? :) RD
On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 12:35 AM, Nicolas Petton <[hidden email]> wrote: As some of you may know there is a new Smalltalk in town - and up until _______________________________________________ seaside mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside |
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On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 10:06 PM, Richard Durr <[hidden email]> wrote: Congratulations. Amber is done very, very well and has exceeded all expectations I had by far, beating even the things I liked about OMeta JS. I want a T-Shirt too !!! :)
Laurent.
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yay nerdy T-shirts about Amber!
:D PD: so you can use http://www.threadless.com/ or something (like the brazilian threadless: http://www.camiseteria.com/ ) On Sep 21, 2011, at 5:17 PM, laurent laffont wrote:
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On Wed, 2011-09-21 at 22:06 +0200, Richard Durr wrote:
> Congratulations. Amber is done very, very well and has exceeded all > expectations I had by far, beating even the things I liked about OMeta > JS. > Amber feels and acts like a real Smalltalk environment. Awoke my > interested in developing again. > > > And again, the name is a beautiful choice. I want a T-Shirt with the > logo. Can someone vectorize it, or do I need to do it? :) Thanks a lot! I can provide the svg files! CHeers, Nico > > > RD > > On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 12:35 AM, Nicolas Petton > <[hidden email]> wrote: > As some of you may know there is a new Smalltalk in town - and > up until > today it was called Jtalk. After a furious three week > development > period > after the ESUG 2011 conference (where Jtalk raised some > eyebrows) we > are > now making a first release humbly numbered 0.9. We are also > taking the > opportunity to pick a slicker name for Jtalk - Amber! > > New website is at: > > http://www.amber-lang.net > > So, why would you take a look at Amber? > > In our opinion Amber is perfectly positioned for the HTML5 > onslaught > and > the explosion of all-things-javascript like for example > Nodejs. It is a > Smalltalk that plays well with others and can seamlessly use > Javascript > libraries. > > At the same time Amber feels like a *real* Smalltalk, the > environment > is > all there including Workspace, Transcript, Browser, > senders/implementors/references to class, TestRunner, > Inspectors, code > editing with syntax coloring and a Debugger. There is no > image, but all > compilation is incremental. > > Below follows a summary of the massive changes since ESUG that > triggered > us to make a first release. > > We hope you join us in developing Amber and having fun! There > is > already > work being made in using Amber on top of Java using Rhino, > using Amber > for making games and lots more. Fork at github, join in > #amber-lang on > freenode and hop onto the mailing list. > > regards, Nicolas & Göran > > (and thanks to Laurent, David, Bernat, Stefan, Raimon, > Alexandre, Dale, > Juraj, Ken, Pavel and everyone else that have been involved) > --------------------------------------- > > Language, compiler and runtime > > - New 100x faster parser built using PEGjs instead of the old > parser > built using PetitParser. > - New much faster ChunkParser implementation in handwritten > Amber > instead of using PetitParser. > - Improved parsing error report with quoted source code plus > marker > pinpointing parsing error. > - Removed PetitParser since it is no longer needed by Amber > itself. > - Added compiler optimizations in the form of speculative > inlining of > specific messages and control structures. > - Added support for dynamic Arrays, just like in Squeak/Pharo. > - Added support for similar dynamic Dictionaries, not seen in > other > Smalltalks. > - Added & and | as allowed binary selectors and implemented > them in > Boolean. > - Added a Set implementation. > - Added basic support for Packages, dependency management > coming soon. > > ...and various extensions, enhancements and bug fixes to the > library > classes. > > > Development environment > > - A working Debugger with integrated inspector, proceed etc. > - A structure with multiple different Amber environments in > different > directories. > - A working amberc command line compiler including a Makefile > for > recompiling the whole Amber. > - Enabled TestRunner in the IDE for running unit tests based > on SUnit. > - Added "File in" button in Workspace to easily paste and > filein source > code in chunk format in the IDE. > - Added "Rename package" and "Remove package" buttons to > browser that > use the new Package model. > - Added a standalone webDAV server in Amber so that it is > simpler to > get > up and running and able to commit code locally. > > > Example code and ports > > - Ported ProfStef interactive tutorial, available on Amber > homepage > (www.amber-lang.net/learn.html) but also in examples > directory. > - Included the ESUG presentation as an example also in the > examples > directory. > - Several new examples running on Node.js and webOS included, > all with > Makefiles. > > > Various other things > > - Issue tracker on github now used as primary source, closed a > bunch of > reported issues. > - Wiki pages on github with information on how to port code > from other > Smalltalks, lists of articles, tutorials, roadmap and more. > > -- > Nicolas Petton > http://www.nicolas-petton.fr > > _______________________________________________ > seaside mailing list > [hidden email] > http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside > > > _______________________________________________ > seaside mailing list > [hidden email] > http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside -- Nicolas Petton http://www.nicolas-petton.fr _______________________________________________ seaside mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside |
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That would be appreciated :)
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