Call for Pharo Support **important**

> Please distribute this message around
>
>
> Dear Pharoers
>
> We are pursuing an effort to bring Pharo to the next level: we will set up a consortium of pharo users and industrial partners. Our goal is to build a legal infrastructure that will be able to sustain the development of Pharo and improve its future. As an example, we would like to be able to collect funds (ways as to be determined - we foresee a membership model or moral license) to pay engineering tasks to be performed such as improving the virtual machine, network libraries, better JIT support. To make it short we would like to give a chance to our community to grow and structure itself so that Pharo can get stronger and that risk (truck factor) gets minimized.
>
> We are contacting you to know if your company/research group would be interested to support such effort. Showing such interest is strategically important for us and INRIA which could also support such effort. Attached is the letter of support that we will collect once signed and scanned ( [hidden email] / faxed at: 00 33 (0)3 59 57 78 50)
>
> Thanks for your support
>
> The Pharo Board
>
> M. Denker, S. Ducasse, and  A. Lienhard
>
>
> <Pharo-LetterOfSupport-EN.doc>

> BTW, the call is also online at http://pharo-project.org/community/consortium
>
> Adrian
>
> On Feb 15, 2011, at 14:02 , Stéphane Ducasse wrote:
>
>> Please distribute this message around
>>
>>
>> Dear Pharoers
>>
>> We are pursuing an effort to bring Pharo to the next level: we will set up a consortium of pharo users and industrial partners. Our goal is to build a legal infrastructure that will be able to sustain the development of Pharo and improve its future. As an example, we would like to be able to collect funds (ways as to be determined - we foresee a membership model or moral license) to pay engineering tasks to be performed such as improving the virtual machine, network libraries, better JIT support. To make it short we would like to give a chance to our community to grow and structure itself so that Pharo can get stronger and that risk (truck factor) gets minimized.
>>
>> We are contacting you to know if your company/research group would be interested to support such effort. Showing such interest is strategically important for us and INRIA which could also support such effort. Attached is the letter of support that we will collect once signed and scanned ( [hidden email] / faxed at: 00 33 (0)3 59 57 78 50)
>>
>> Thanks for your support
>>
>> The Pharo Board
>>
>> M. Denker, S. Ducasse, and  A. Lienhard
>>
>>
>> <Pharo-LetterOfSupport-EN.doc>
>
>

>
> Johan
>
> On 15 Feb 2011, at 15:49, Adrian Lienhard wrote:
>
>> BTW, the call is also online at http://pharo-project.org/community/consortium
>>
>> Adrian
>>
>> On Feb 15, 2011, at 14:02 , Stéphane Ducasse wrote:
>>
>>> Please distribute this message around
>>>
>>>
>>> Dear Pharoers
>>>
>>> We are pursuing an effort to bring Pharo to the next level: we will set up a consortium of pharo users and industrial partners. Our goal is to build a legal infrastructure that will be able to sustain the development of Pharo and improve its future. As an example, we would like to be able to collect funds (ways as to be determined - we foresee a membership model or moral license) to pay engineering tasks to be performed such as improving the virtual machine, network libraries, better JIT support. To make it short we would like to give a chance to our community to grow and structure itself so that Pharo can get stronger and that risk (truck factor) gets minimized.
>>>
>>> We are contacting you to know if your company/research group would be interested to support such effort. Showing such interest is strategically important for us and INRIA which could also support such effort. Attached is the letter of support that we will collect once signed and scanned ( [hidden email] / faxed at: 00 33 (0)3 59 57 78 50)
>>>
>>> Thanks for your support
>>>
>>> The Pharo Board
>>>
>>> M. Denker, S. Ducasse, and  A. Lienhard
>>>
>>>
>>> <Pharo-LetterOfSupport-EN.doc>
>>
>>
>
>

>
> Bill
>
>
>
> ________________________________________
> From: [hidden email] [[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Stéphane Ducasse [[hidden email]]
> Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2011 5:00 AM
> To: [hidden email]
> Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] Call for Pharo Support **important**
>

> On Feb 16, 2011, at 12:59 PM, Schwab,Wilhelm K wrote:
>
> > Stef,
> >
> > The revised language is much improved.
>
> tx
>
> >  I too am curious about what you have in mind on the conditions.
>
> We do not know. :) just fuzzy ideas.
> We will decide with the community. Because the point is that this is not our stuff but a tool that should serve the community.
> We were thinking
> - individual memberships
> - company memberships
> - institution memberships
> or/and a moral license so that you can buy pharo and a guy like igor/esteban can get pay to improve the infrastructure.
> or a bounty (but a moral license is good since it does not bind the task).
>
>
> >  Are you looking for support from institutions or individuals?  I assume both, but the thresholds would be different for UF than for me by myself.
>
> Yes both. This would be excellent.
>
> Recently I was asking myself three essential questions beside having a market: ok we have a client so what
> - how do you control quality/process?
> - how do you control that your runtime engine is ok/safe/longlasting (else better take java vms there are plenty)
> - how do you reduce risk like truck factor in your community.
>
> Our main point is how can we minimize risk: I'm thinking to participate to a startup around a pharo software  and here is a simple
> simple scenario:  imagine that eliot gets hired by XXAS to do javascript/ruby whatever and andreas (which does not reply to my mails
> because I'm probably too insignificant) goes waco and that ian only shows up every three years instead of every year.
> do you think that it is wise for companies to invest in an open-source smalltalk?
> I would not. Now if we have a consortium, a build process, a quality process and one or two guys payed by the community
> to improve continously the system more than we can. Then this is a message I can understand as an investor.
>
> Since we want to make sure that you all can do business we want to reduce risk and provide a good case for process, quality and the
> rest.
>
>
> Stef
>
>
>
> >
> > Bill
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________________
> > From: [hidden email] [[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Stéphane Ducasse [[hidden email]]
> > Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2011 5:00 AM
> > To: [hidden email]
> > Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] Call for Pharo Support **important**
> >
>
>

>
> Ok, I understand the goal. Count me in.
>
> El mié, 16-02-2011 a las 13:52 +0100, Stéphane Ducasse escribió:
>> On Feb 16, 2011, at 12:59 PM, Schwab,Wilhelm K wrote:
>>
>>> Stef,
>>>
>>> The revised language is much improved.
>>
>> tx
>>
>>> I too am curious about what you have in mind on the conditions.
>>
>> We do not know. :) just fuzzy ideas.
>> We will decide with the community. Because the point is that this is not our stuff but a tool that should serve the community.
>> We were thinking
>> - individual memberships
>> - company memberships
>> - institution memberships
>> or/and a moral license so that you can buy pharo and a guy like igor/esteban can get pay to improve the infrastructure.
>> or a bounty (but a moral license is good since it does not bind the task).
>>
>>
>>> Are you looking for support from institutions or individuals?  I assume both, but the thresholds would be different for UF than for me by myself.
>>
>> Yes both. This would be excellent.
>>
>> Recently I was asking myself three essential questions beside having a market: ok we have a client so what
>> - how do you control quality/process?
>> - how do you control that your runtime engine is ok/safe/longlasting (else better take java vms there are plenty)
>> - how do you reduce risk like truck factor in your community.
>>
>> Our main point is how can we minimize risk: I'm thinking to participate to a startup around a pharo software  and here is a simple
>> simple scenario:  imagine that eliot gets hired by XXAS to do javascript/ruby whatever and andreas (which does not reply to my mails
>> because I'm probably too insignificant) goes waco and that ian only shows up every three years instead of every year.
>> do you think that it is wise for companies to invest in an open-source smalltalk?
>> I would not. Now if we have a consortium, a build process, a quality process and one or two guys payed by the community
>> to improve continously the system more than we can. Then this is a message I can understand as an investor.
>>
>> Since we want to make sure that you all can do business we want to reduce risk and provide a good case for process, quality and the
>> rest.
>>
>>
>> Stef
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Bill
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ________________________________________
>>> From: [hidden email] [[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Stéphane Ducasse [[hidden email]]
>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2011 5:00 AM
>>> To: [hidden email]
>>> Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] Call for Pharo Support **important**
>>>
>>
>>
>
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> http://miguel.leugim.com.mx
>
>
>
>

> both
> this is a user and industrial consortium.
> may be I'm a dreamer but I would like something open to the community in general.
>
>
> Stef
>
> On Feb 16, 2011, at 10:11 PM, Tudor Girba wrote:
>
>> Just a question: are you interested only in companies/groups or also individuals?
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Doru
>>
>>
>> On 16 Feb 2011, at 16:38, Stéphane Ducasse wrote:
>>
>>> Dear Pharoers
>>>
>>> We are pursuing an effort to bring Pharo to the next level: we will set up a consortium of pharo users and industrial partners. Our goal is to build a legal infrastructure that will be able to sustain the development of Pharo and improve its future. As an example, we would like to be able to collect funds (ways as to be determined - we foresee a membership model or moral license) to pay engineering tasks to be performed such as improving the virtual machine, network libraries, better JIT support. To make it short we would like to give a chance to our community to grow and structure itself so that Pharo can get stronger and that risk (truck factor) gets minimized.
>>>
>>> We are contacting you to know if your company/research group would be interested to support such effort. Showing such interest is strategically important for us and INRIA which could also support such effort. Attached is the letter of support that we will collect once signed and scanned ( [hidden email] / faxed at: 00 33 (0)3 59 57 78 50)
>>>
>>> Thanks for your support
>>>
>>> The Pharo Board
>>>
>>> M. Denker, S. Ducasse, and  A. Lienhard
>>>
>>> <Pharo-LetterOfSupport-EN-V2.doc>
>>
>> --
>> www.tudorgirba.com
>>
>> "Presenting is storytelling."
>>
>>
>
>

>
> Cheers,
> Doru
>
>
> On 16 Feb 2011, at 23:01, Stéphane Ducasse wrote:
>
>> both
>> this is a user and industrial consortium.
>> may be I'm a dreamer but I would like something open to the community in general.
>>
>>
>> Stef
>>
>> On Feb 16, 2011, at 10:11 PM, Tudor Girba wrote:
>>
>>> Just a question: are you interested only in companies/groups or also individuals?
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Doru
>>>
>>>
>>> On 16 Feb 2011, at 16:38, Stéphane Ducasse wrote:
>>>
>>>> Dear Pharoers
>>>>
>>>> We are pursuing an effort to bring Pharo to the next level: we will set up a consortium of pharo users and industrial partners. Our goal is to build a legal infrastructure that will be able to sustain the development of Pharo and improve its future. As an example, we would like to be able to collect funds (ways as to be determined - we foresee a membership model or moral license) to pay engineering tasks to be performed such as improving the virtual machine, network libraries, better JIT support. To make it short we would like to give a chance to our community to grow and structure itself so that Pharo can get stronger and that risk (truck factor) gets minimized.
>>>>
>>>> We are contacting you to know if your company/research group would be interested to support such effort. Showing such interest is strategically important for us and INRIA which could also support such effort. Attached is the letter of support that we will collect once signed and scanned ( [hidden email] / faxed at: 00 33 (0)3 59 57 78 50)
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for your support
>>>>
>>>> The Pharo Board
>>>>
>>>> M. Denker, S. Ducasse, and  A. Lienhard
>>>>
>>>> <Pharo-LetterOfSupport-EN-V2.doc>
>>>
>>> --
>>> www.tudorgirba.com
>>>
>>> "Presenting is storytelling."
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
> --
> www.tudorgirba.com
>
> "Value is always contextual."
>
>
>
>

> Please distribute this message around
>
>
> Dear Pharoers
>
> We are pursuing an effort to bring Pharo to the next level: we will set up a consortium of pharo users and industrial partners. Our goal is to build a legal infrastructure that will be able to sustain the development of Pharo and improve its future. As an example, we would like to be able to collect funds (ways as to be determined - we foresee a membership model or moral license) to pay engineering tasks to be performed such as improving the virtual machine, network libraries, better JIT support. To make it short we would like to give a chance to our community to grow and structure itself so that Pharo can get stronger and that risk (truck factor) gets minimized.
>
> We are contacting you to know if your company/research group would be interested to support such effort. Showing such interest is strategically important for us and INRIA which could also support such effort. Attached is the letter of support that we will collect once signed and scanned ( [hidden email] / faxed at: 00 33 (0)3 59 57 78 50)
>
> Thanks for your support
>
> The Pharo Board
>
> M. Denker, S. Ducasse, and  A. Lienhard
>
>
> <Pharo-LetterOfSupport-EN.doc>

> Hi davorin
> It says that you would consider paying a membership if this one is ok for you but that the membership
> would have to be clear. So this is just a letter of support. Your are not tying yourself.
> We will decide together the model because we should like that everybody can contribute.
>
> Now for us this is an important tool because we can seize the community to see if we could collect
> money to pay an engineer like igor full-time, half time....
>
> Stef
>
>
>> I am not expert in legalize, does signing of this letter imply some
>> financial commitment on part of the signer, or it is just "Pharo is
>> great and we would like to use it" kind of letter?
>>
>> Many thanks!
>>
>> Davorin Rusevljan
>> http://www.cloud208.com/
>
>

>
> Sudhakar krishnamachari
>
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>
> On Feb 18, 2011, at 1:43 PM, Stéphane Ducasse <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>> Hi davorin
>> It says that you would consider paying a membership if this one is ok for you but that the membership
>> would have to be clear. So this is just a letter of support. Your are not tying yourself.
>> We will decide together the model because we should like that everybody can contribute.
>>
>> Now for us this is an important tool because we can seize the community to see if we could collect
>> money to pay an engineer like igor full-time, half time....
>>
>> Stef
>>
>>
>>> I am not expert in legalize, does signing of this letter imply some
>>> financial commitment on part of the signer, or it is just "Pharo is
>>> great and we would like to use it" kind of letter?
>>>
>>> Many thanks!
>>>
>>> Davorin Rusevljan
>>> http://www.cloud208.com/
>>
>>
>