Call for action for Roassal

> Le 24 févr. 2016 à 09:51, Alexandre Bergel <[hidden email]> a écrit :
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> Dear community,
>
> As you may have seen, Roassal has entered a stabilization phase. The book AgileVisualization.com will soon be released. After its release, Roassal will go over a new development phase. In order to prepare it, I am asking this question:
>
> What are the 3 aspects you would like to see improved in Roassal?
>
> You can answer publicly or by sending private messages.
>
> Kind regards,
> Alexandre
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>> Le 24 févr. 2016 à 09:51, Alexandre Bergel <[hidden email]> a écrit :
>>
>> Dear community,
>>
>> As you may have seen, Roassal has entered a stabilization phase. The book AgileVisualization.com will soon be released. After its release, Roassal will go over a new development phase. In order to prepare it, I am asking this question:
>>
>> What are the 3 aspects you would like to see improved in Roassal?
>>
>> You can answer publicly or by sending private messages.
>>
>> Kind regards,
>> Alexandre
>> --
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>> Alexandre Bergel  http://www.bergel.eu
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> Hi Alexandre,
>
> In a wonderful world, I would like:
> - a real graph layout (like in graphviz) that can take into account around hundred nodes and several hundred of edges and place the nodes in order to see something. Currently, I have to use the circle layout and it looks strange.
> - the possibility to place hangout of the edges on nodes (as box) more flexible. Indeed, I am reverse engineering a database containing around 80 tables and lot of foreign keys and the result is not readable since the edge are orthogonal starting from the top or the bottom of the box corresponding to the column name. I would like a real entity-relation diagram.
>
> For the remainder, I use only Telescope since I have just to specify my data and not to script the visualization taking into account the order of the instructions… So don’t change the interface of the existing API in order we can continue to use Telescope on top on Roassal.
>
>   If you want, I can show you the current stage of the visu (once again done in Telescope on top of Roassal) in order that you see on real data how uggly it is.
>
> Cheers,
> Anne
>
>> Le 24 févr. 2016 à 09:51, Alexandre Bergel <[hidden email]> a écrit :
>>
>> Dear community,
>>
>> As you may have seen, Roassal has entered a stabilization phase. The book AgileVisualization.com will soon be released. After its release, Roassal will go over a new development phase. In order to prepare it, I am asking this question:
>>
>> What are the 3 aspects you would like to see improved in Roassal?
>>
>> You can answer publicly or by sending private messages.
>>
>> Kind regards,
>> Alexandre
>> --
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>> Alexandre Bergel  http://www.bergel.eu
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> On Feb 24, 2016, at 9:51 AM, Alexandre Bergel <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> Dear community,
>
> As you may have seen, Roassal has entered a stabilization phase. The book AgileVisualization.com will soon be released. After its release, Roassal will go over a new development phase. In order to prepare it, I am asking this question:
>
> What are the 3 aspects you would like to see improved in Roassal?
>
> You can answer publicly or by sending private messages.
>
> Kind regards,
> Alexandre
> --
> _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:
> Alexandre Bergel  http://www.bergel.eu
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> On Feb 25, 2016, at 12:40 PM, Tudor Girba <[hidden email]> wrote:
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> This is very cool. We will all benefit from this documentation.
>
> One thing that I would still like to see fixed before the release is the edge building (this problem of not being able to properly specify random objects to be taken into account when building edges). Could we work on that?
>
> Cheers,
> Doru
>
>
>> On Feb 24, 2016, at 9:51 AM, Alexandre Bergel <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> Dear community,
>>
>> As you may have seen, Roassal has entered a stabilization phase. The book AgileVisualization.com will soon be released. After its release, Roassal will go over a new development phase. In order to prepare it, I am asking this question:
>>
>> What are the 3 aspects you would like to see improved in Roassal?
>>
>> You can answer publicly or by sending private messages.
>>
>> Kind regards,
>> Alexandre
>> --
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>> Alexandre Bergel  http://www.bergel.eu
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> On Feb 25, 2016, at 1:29 PM, Alexandre Bergel <[hidden email]> wrote:
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> Do you have an example? I am not sure to understand.
>
> Alexandre
>
>
>> On Feb 25, 2016, at 12:40 PM, Tudor Girba <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> This is very cool. We will all benefit from this documentation.
>>
>> One thing that I would still like to see fixed before the release is the edge building (this problem of not being able to properly specify random objects to be taken into account when building edges). Could we work on that?
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Doru
>>
>>
>>> On Feb 24, 2016, at 9:51 AM, Alexandre Bergel <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>
>>> Dear community,
>>>
>>> As you may have seen, Roassal has entered a stabilization phase. The book AgileVisualization.com will soon be released. After its release, Roassal will go over a new development phase. In order to prepare it, I am asking this question:
>>>
>>> What are the 3 aspects you would like to see improved in Roassal?
>>>
>>> You can answer publicly or by sending private messages.
>>>
>>> Kind regards,
>>> Alexandre
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>>> Alexandre Bergel  http://www.bergel.eu
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>>
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> On Feb 25, 2016, at 1:59 PM, Alexandre Bergel <[hidden email]> wrote:
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> Oh, but this has been in Roassal for many months (I have implemented since right after ESUG). You need to use #source:connectFrom:toAll:
>
> Here is an example that randomly generate a graph and render it using this facility:
> -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
> nbOfNodes := 40.
> nbOfRandomEdges := 40.
>
> nodes := 1 to: nbOfNodes.
> edges := (1 to: nbOfRandomEdges)
> collect: [ :notUsed | nodes atRandom -> {nodes atRandom . nodes atRandom} ].
>
> b := RTMondrian new.
>
> b shape circle color: (Color black alpha: 0.5).
> b nodes: nodes.
>
> b shape line color: (Color gray alpha: 0.3).
> b edges
> source: edges connectFrom: #key toAll: #value.
>
> b layout force.
> b
> -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
>
> <Screen Shot 2016-02-25 at 1.57.24 PM.png>
>
> Cheers,
> Alexandre
>
>> On Feb 25, 2016, at 1:37 PM, Tudor Girba <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> We discussed this before. Try to draw a hierarchy using classes and inheritance objects (so, without using the class to superclass navigation). Something like this:
>>
>> view := RTMondrian new.
>> view nodes: classes.
>> view edges objects: inheritances; connectFrom: #superclass to: #subclass.
>> view layout tree.
>> view
>>
>> It won’t work.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Doru
>>
>>
>>> On Feb 25, 2016, at 1:29 PM, Alexandre Bergel <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>
>>> Do you have an example? I am not sure to understand.
>>>
>>> Alexandre
>>>
>>>
>>>> On Feb 25, 2016, at 12:40 PM, Tudor Girba <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> This is very cool. We will all benefit from this documentation.
>>>>
>>>> One thing that I would still like to see fixed before the release is the edge building (this problem of not being able to properly specify random objects to be taken into account when building edges). Could we work on that?
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Doru
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> On Feb 24, 2016, at 9:51 AM, Alexandre Bergel <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Dear community,
>>>>>
>>>>> As you may have seen, Roassal has entered a stabilization phase. The book AgileVisualization.com will soon be released. After its release, Roassal will go over a new development phase. In order to prepare it, I am asking this question:
>>>>>
>>>>> What are the 3 aspects you would like to see improved in Roassal?
>>>>>
>>>>> You can answer publicly or by sending private messages.
>>>>>
>>>>> Kind regards,
>>>>> Alexandre
>>>>> --
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>>>>> Alexandre Bergel  http://www.bergel.eu
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> On Feb 26, 2016, at 3:42 PM, Peter Uhnák <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> Hi Anne,
>
> I've just added a Roassal plugin with the GraphViz-based layout.
>
> Note that I had to hack it to work with RTMultiLine (it was originally designed for different lines which are currently not part of Roassal),
> so it's possible there will be some issues.
>
> You can load it (if you have latest Roassal installed)  via the Roassal plugin menu,
> or by executing the following
>
> Metacello new
> baseline: 'GraphVizLayout';
> repository: 'github://peteruhnak/graphviz-layout:master/repository';
> load
>
> Then look at the class-side examples in RTGraphVizLayout.
>
> Finally if you use this, you shouldn't move elements within the layout (because graphviz layout hard-codes the pathing)… we could probably change this in the future, but I am not sure how (ideally the layout would have to be recomputed, but that's expensive to do live),
>
> So to summarize:
> * you must have GraphViz installed in your system
> * you must use RTMultiLine for lines (because only they support bending)
>
> Let me know how it goes,
>
> <graphviz-2.png><graphviz-1.png>
> ​
> ​
>
> Peter
>
> On Thu, Feb 25, 2016 at 2:02 PM, Tudor Girba <[hidden email]> wrote:
> Oh, I missed this one :). So, now I can refactor the code that is still using the RTEdge class side methods :).
>
> Great!
>
> Thanks,
> Doru
>
>
> > On Feb 25, 2016, at 1:59 PM, Alexandre Bergel <[hidden email]> wrote:
> >
> > Oh, but this has been in Roassal for many months (I have implemented since right after ESUG). You need to use #source:connectFrom:toAll:
> >
> > Here is an example that randomly generate a graph and render it using this facility:
> > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
> > nbOfNodes := 40.
> > nbOfRandomEdges := 40.
> >
> > nodes := 1 to: nbOfNodes.
> > edges := (1 to: nbOfRandomEdges)
> >                               collect: [ :notUsed | nodes atRandom -> {nodes atRandom . nodes atRandom} ].
> >
> > b := RTMondrian new.
> >
> > b shape circle color: (Color black alpha: 0.5).
> > b nodes: nodes.
> >
> > b shape line color: (Color gray alpha: 0.3).
> > b edges
> >       source: edges connectFrom: #key toAll: #value.
> >
> > b layout force.
> > b
> > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
> >
> > <Screen Shot 2016-02-25 at 1.57.24 PM.png>
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Alexandre
> >
> >> On Feb 25, 2016, at 1:37 PM, Tudor Girba <[hidden email]> wrote:
> >>
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> We discussed this before. Try to draw a hierarchy using classes and inheritance objects (so, without using the class to superclass navigation). Something like this:
> >>
> >> view := RTMondrian new.
> >> view nodes: classes.
> >> view edges objects: inheritances; connectFrom: #superclass to: #subclass.
> >> view layout tree.
> >> view
> >>
> >> It won’t work.
> >>
> >> Cheers,
> >> Doru
> >>
> >>
> >>> On Feb 25, 2016, at 1:29 PM, Alexandre Bergel <[hidden email]> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Do you have an example? I am not sure to understand.
> >>>
> >>> Alexandre
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> On Feb 25, 2016, at 12:40 PM, Tudor Girba <[hidden email]> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> This is very cool. We will all benefit from this documentation.
> >>>>
> >>>> One thing that I would still like to see fixed before the release is the edge building (this problem of not being able to properly specify random objects to be taken into account when building edges). Could we work on that?
> >>>>
> >>>> Cheers,
> >>>> Doru
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> On Feb 24, 2016, at 9:51 AM, Alexandre Bergel <[hidden email]> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Dear community,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> As you may have seen, Roassal has entered a stabilization phase. The book AgileVisualization.com will soon be released. After its release, Roassal will go over a new development phase. In order to prepare it, I am asking this question:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>   What are the 3 aspects you would like to see improved in Roassal?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> You can answer publicly or by sending private messages.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Kind regards,
> >>>>> Alexandre
> >>>>> --
> >>>>> _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:
> >>>>> Alexandre Bergel  http://www.bergel.eu
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> >>>>
> >>>> “Live like you mean it."
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
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> >>> Alexandre Bergel  http://www.bergel.eu
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> >> "Value is always contextual."
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
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