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Can this be improved in Glamourous?

Mariano Martinez Peck
Hi Tudor. Today I wanted to give it a try to 'GT-Inspector' 'GT-Playground'   hence I did:

(ConfigurationOfGlamoroust project version: #bleedingEdge) load: #('GT-Inspector' 'GT-Playground' ).

In a Pharo 1.3 release. To my surprise, it took like half an hour to install, and it even was broken because it installed a different version of refactoring browser that is not working in 1.3.
So..can I ask.. are all of those projects really needed just for 2 simples things like a cool inspector and a cool workspace?
do you need Nile, Grease, RefactoringBrowser, EyeSee, Magritte ???
can I somehow just load a minimal core for those things I need ?

Thanks

linear load :
    linear load : baseline-0.1 [ConfigurationOfGlamoroust]
        load : ConfigurationOfGlamour
    atomic load : baseline-0.1 [ConfigurationOfGlamoroust]
        linear load : default [ConfigurationOfGlamour]
            load : ConfigurationOfEyeSee
        linear load : default [ConfigurationOfGlamour]
            load : ConfigurationOfGrease
        linear load : default [ConfigurationOfGlamour]
            load : ConfigurationOfMondrian
        linear load : default [ConfigurationOfGlamour]
            load : ConfigurationOfShout
        atomic load : default [ConfigurationOfGlamour]
            load : CollectionExtensions
            load : Glamour-Announcements
            load : Glamour-Helpers
            load : Glamour-Core
            load : Glamour-Presentations
            load : Glamour-Browsers
            load : Glamour-Tests-Core
            load : Glamour-Morphic-Theme
            load : Glamour-Examples
            load : Glamour-Tools
            load : Glamour-Morphic-Widgets
            load : Glamour-Morphic-Renderer
            load : Glamour-Tests-Morphic
            linear load : default [ConfigurationOfMondrian]
                load : ConfigurationOfProfStef
            linear load : default [ConfigurationOfMondrian]
                load : ConfigurationOfHealthReportProducer
            linear load : default [ConfigurationOfMondrian]
                load : ConfigurationOfShapeST80
            atomic load : default [ConfigurationOfMondrian]
                atomic load : 0.2-baseline [ConfigurationOfHealthReportProducer]
                    load : HealthReportProducer
                load : CollectionExtensions
                load : Nile-Base
                load : Mondrian-ComplexShape
                load : Mondrian-Core
                load : Mondrian-Layouts
                load : Mondrian-Help
                load : Mondrian-Easel
                load : Mondrian-Pharo-Tests
                load : Mondrian-Shapes
                load : Mondrian-Events
                load : Mondrian-Visitor
                load : Mondrian-Util
                load : Mondrian-Normalizers
                load : Mondrian-Example
                load : Mondrian-ShapeVisitor
                load : Mondrian-Pharo-Morphic
                load : Mondrian-Tests
                load : Mondrian-FADELayout
            load : Glamour-Mondrian-Presentations
            load : Glamour-Tests-Mondrian
            atomic load : default [ConfigurationOfEyeSee]
                load : EyeSee-Events
                load : EyeSee-Axis
                load : EyeSee-Tests-Core
                load : EyeSee-Support
                load : EyeSee-Core
            load : Glamour-EyeSee-Presentations
            load : Glamour-Tests-EyeSee
            linear load : 1.0.6.1 [ConfigurationOfGrease]
                load : ConfigurationOfRefactoringBrowser
            linear load : 1.0.6.1 [ConfigurationOfGrease]
                load : Grease-Slime-lr.13
            load : Magritte-Model
            load : Magritte-Pharo-Model
            load : Magritte-Morph
            load : Glamour-Magritte-Presentations
            load : Magritte-Tests-Model
        load : GT-Playground
        load : GT-Inspector

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http://marianopeck.wordpress.com

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Re: Can this be improved in Glamourous?

Lukas Renggli
You should consider yourself lucky that Magritte does not pull-in 75 Seaside packages :-)

On Saturday, 15 October 2011, Mariano Martinez Peck <[hidden email]> wrote:
> Hi Tudor. Today I wanted to give it a try to 'GT-Inspector' 'GT-Playground'   hence I did:
>
> (ConfigurationOfGlamoroust project version: #bleedingEdge) load: #('GT-Inspector' 'GT-Playground' ).
>
> In a Pharo 1.3 release. To my surprise, it took like half an hour to install, and it even was broken because it installed a different version of refactoring browser that is not working in 1.3.
> So..can I ask.. are all of those projects really needed just for 2 simples things like a cool inspector and a cool workspace?
> do you need Nile, Grease, RefactoringBrowser, EyeSee, Magritte ???
> can I somehow just load a minimal core for those things I need ?
>
> Thanks
>
> linear load :
>     linear load : baseline-0.1 [ConfigurationOfGlamoroust]
>         load : ConfigurationOfGlamour
>     atomic load : baseline-0.1 [ConfigurationOfGlamoroust]
>         linear load : default [ConfigurationOfGlamour]
>             load : ConfigurationOfEyeSee
>         linear load : default [ConfigurationOfGlamour]
>             load : ConfigurationOfGrease
>         linear load : default [ConfigurationOfGlamour]
>             load : ConfigurationOfMondrian
>         linear load : default [ConfigurationOfGlamour]
>             load : ConfigurationOfShout
>         atomic load : default [ConfigurationOfGlamour]
>             load : CollectionExtensions
>             load : Glamour-Announcements
>             load : Glamour-Helpers
>             load : Glamour-Core
>             load : Glamour-Presentations
>             load : Glamour-Browsers
>             load : Glamour-Tests-Core
>             load : Glamour-Morphic-Theme
>             load : Glamour-Examples
>             load : Glamour-Tools
>             load : Glamour-Morphic-Widgets
>             load : Glamour-Morphic-Renderer
>             load : Glamour-Tests-Morphic
>             linear load : default [ConfigurationOfMondrian]
>                 load : ConfigurationOfProfStef
>             linear load : default [ConfigurationOfMondrian]
>                 load : ConfigurationOfHealthReportProducer
>             linear load : default [ConfigurationOfMondrian]
>                 load : ConfigurationOfShapeST80
>             atomic load : default [ConfigurationOfMondrian]
>                 atomic load : 0.2-baseline [ConfigurationOfHealthReportProducer]
>                     load : HealthReportProducer
>                 load : CollectionExtensions
>                 load : Nile-Base
>                 load : Mondrian-ComplexShape
>                 load : Mondrian-Core
>                 load : Mondrian-Layouts
>                 load : Mondrian-Help
>                 load : Mondrian-Easel
>                 load : Mondrian-Pharo-Tests
>                 load : Mondrian-Shapes
>                 load : Mondrian-Events
>                 load : Mondrian-Visitor
>                 load : Mondrian-Util
>                 load : Mondrian-Normalizers
>                 load : Mondrian-Example
>                 load : Mondrian-ShapeVisitor
>                 load : Mondrian-Pharo-Morphic
>                 load : Mondrian-Tests
>                 load : Mondrian-FADELayout
>             load : Glamour-Mondrian-Presentations
>             load : Glamour-Tests-Mondrian
>             atomic load : default [ConfigurationOfEyeSee]
>                 load : EyeSee-Events
>                 load : EyeSee-Axis
>                 load : EyeSee-Tests-Core
>                 load : EyeSee-Support
>                 load : EyeSee-Core
>             load : Glamour-EyeSee-Presentations
>             load : Glamour-Tests-EyeSee
>             linear load : 1.0.6.1 [ConfigurationOfGrease]
>                 load : ConfigurationOfRefactoringBrowser
>             linear load : 1.0.6.1 [ConfigurationOfGrease]
>                 load : Grease-Slime-lr.13
>             load : Magritte-Model
>             load : Magritte-Pharo-Model
>             load : Magritte-Morph
>             load : Glamour-Magritte-Presentations
>             load : Magritte-Tests-Model
>         load : GT-Playground
>         load : GT-Inspector
>
> --
> Mariano
> http://marianopeck.wordpress.com
>
>

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www.lukas-renggli.ch
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Re: Can this be improved in Glamourous?

Tudor Girba-2
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Hi,

On 15 Oct 2011, at 22:36, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote:

> Hi Tudor. Today I wanted to give it a try to 'GT-Inspector' 'GT-Playground'   hence I did:

I am happy you decided to give them a try :). But, the Playground is not yet ready :).

> (ConfigurationOfGlamoroust project version: #bleedingEdge) load: #('GT-Inspector' 'GT-Playground' ).
>
> In a Pharo 1.3 release. To my surprise, it took like half an hour to install, and it even was broken because it installed a different version of refactoring browser that is not working in 1.3.

This is due to a broken ConfiguraitonOfRB. I would actually be very interested in a fix in this area.

> So..can I ask.. are all of those projects really needed just for 2 simples things like a cool inspector and a cool workspace?
> do you need Nile, Grease, RefactoringBrowser, EyeSee, Magritte ???
> can I somehow just load a minimal core for those things I need ?

These projects are loaded by the full default ConfigurationOfGlamour. The ConfigurationOfGlamour offers groups, but the GlamorousToolikt one does not yet. If someone can tell me how to do something like this, I would be happy to accommodate the solution.

Cheers,
Doru


> Thanks
>
> linear load :
>     linear load : baseline-0.1 [ConfigurationOfGlamoroust]
>         load : ConfigurationOfGlamour
>     atomic load : baseline-0.1 [ConfigurationOfGlamoroust]
>         linear load : default [ConfigurationOfGlamour]
>             load : ConfigurationOfEyeSee
>         linear load : default [ConfigurationOfGlamour]
>             load : ConfigurationOfGrease
>         linear load : default [ConfigurationOfGlamour]
>             load : ConfigurationOfMondrian
>         linear load : default [ConfigurationOfGlamour]
>             load : ConfigurationOfShout
>         atomic load : default [ConfigurationOfGlamour]
>             load : CollectionExtensions
>             load : Glamour-Announcements
>             load : Glamour-Helpers
>             load : Glamour-Core
>             load : Glamour-Presentations
>             load : Glamour-Browsers
>             load : Glamour-Tests-Core
>             load : Glamour-Morphic-Theme
>             load : Glamour-Examples
>             load : Glamour-Tools
>             load : Glamour-Morphic-Widgets
>             load : Glamour-Morphic-Renderer
>             load : Glamour-Tests-Morphic
>             linear load : default [ConfigurationOfMondrian]
>                 load : ConfigurationOfProfStef
>             linear load : default [ConfigurationOfMondrian]
>                 load : ConfigurationOfHealthReportProducer
>             linear load : default [ConfigurationOfMondrian]
>                 load : ConfigurationOfShapeST80
>             atomic load : default [ConfigurationOfMondrian]
>                 atomic load : 0.2-baseline [ConfigurationOfHealthReportProducer]
>                     load : HealthReportProducer
>                 load : CollectionExtensions
>                 load : Nile-Base
>                 load : Mondrian-ComplexShape
>                 load : Mondrian-Core
>                 load : Mondrian-Layouts
>                 load : Mondrian-Help
>                 load : Mondrian-Easel
>                 load : Mondrian-Pharo-Tests
>                 load : Mondrian-Shapes
>                 load : Mondrian-Events
>                 load : Mondrian-Visitor
>                 load : Mondrian-Util
>                 load : Mondrian-Normalizers
>                 load : Mondrian-Example
>                 load : Mondrian-ShapeVisitor
>                 load : Mondrian-Pharo-Morphic
>                 load : Mondrian-Tests
>                 load : Mondrian-FADELayout
>             load : Glamour-Mondrian-Presentations
>             load : Glamour-Tests-Mondrian
>             atomic load : default [ConfigurationOfEyeSee]
>                 load : EyeSee-Events
>                 load : EyeSee-Axis
>                 load : EyeSee-Tests-Core
>                 load : EyeSee-Support
>                 load : EyeSee-Core
>             load : Glamour-EyeSee-Presentations
>             load : Glamour-Tests-EyeSee
>             linear load : 1.0.6.1 [ConfigurationOfGrease]
>                 load : ConfigurationOfRefactoringBrowser
>             linear load : 1.0.6.1 [ConfigurationOfGrease]
>                 load : Grease-Slime-lr.13
>             load : Magritte-Model
>             load : Magritte-Pharo-Model
>             load : Magritte-Morph
>             load : Glamour-Magritte-Presentations
>             load : Magritte-Tests-Model
>         load : GT-Playground
>         load : GT-Inspector
>
> --
> Mariano
> http://marianopeck.wordpress.com
>

--
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"Every successful trip needs a suitable vehicle."





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Re: Can this be improved in Glamourous?

Stéphane Ducasse

On Oct 15, 2011, at 10:58 PM, Tudor Girba wrote:

> Hi,
>
> On 15 Oct 2011, at 22:36, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote:
>
>> Hi Tudor. Today I wanted to give it a try to 'GT-Inspector' 'GT-Playground'   hence I did:
>
> I am happy you decided to give them a try :). But, the Playground is not yet ready :).
>
>> (ConfigurationOfGlamoroust project version: #bleedingEdge) load: #('GT-Inspector' 'GT-Playground' ).
>>
>> In a Pharo 1.3 release. To my surprise, it took like half an hour to install, and it even was broken because it installed a different version of refactoring browser that is not working in 1.3.
>
> This is due to a broken ConfiguraitonOfRB. I would actually be very interested in a fix in this area.

what is broken? because I spent one full sprint to fix it.

>> So..can I ask.. are all of those projects really needed just for 2 simples things like a cool inspector and a cool workspace?
>> do you need Nile, Grease, RefactoringBrowser, EyeSee, Magritte ???
>> can I somehow just load a minimal core for those things I need ?
>
> These projects are loaded by the full default ConfigurationOfGlamour. The ConfigurationOfGlamour offers groups, but the GlamorousToolikt one does not yet. If someone can tell me how to do something like this, I would be happy to accommodate the solution.

in the chapter on metacello groups are explained. I can send you the latest version if you want.

>
> Cheers,
> Doru
>
>
>> Thanks
>>
>> linear load :
>>    linear load : baseline-0.1 [ConfigurationOfGlamoroust]
>>        load : ConfigurationOfGlamour
>>    atomic load : baseline-0.1 [ConfigurationOfGlamoroust]
>>        linear load : default [ConfigurationOfGlamour]
>>            load : ConfigurationOfEyeSee
>>        linear load : default [ConfigurationOfGlamour]
>>            load : ConfigurationOfGrease
>>        linear load : default [ConfigurationOfGlamour]
>>            load : ConfigurationOfMondrian
>>        linear load : default [ConfigurationOfGlamour]
>>            load : ConfigurationOfShout
>>        atomic load : default [ConfigurationOfGlamour]
>>            load : CollectionExtensions
>>            load : Glamour-Announcements
>>            load : Glamour-Helpers
>>            load : Glamour-Core
>>            load : Glamour-Presentations
>>            load : Glamour-Browsers
>>            load : Glamour-Tests-Core
>>            load : Glamour-Morphic-Theme
>>            load : Glamour-Examples
>>            load : Glamour-Tools
>>            load : Glamour-Morphic-Widgets
>>            load : Glamour-Morphic-Renderer
>>            load : Glamour-Tests-Morphic
>>            linear load : default [ConfigurationOfMondrian]
>>                load : ConfigurationOfProfStef
>>            linear load : default [ConfigurationOfMondrian]
>>                load : ConfigurationOfHealthReportProducer
>>            linear load : default [ConfigurationOfMondrian]
>>                load : ConfigurationOfShapeST80
>>            atomic load : default [ConfigurationOfMondrian]
>>                atomic load : 0.2-baseline [ConfigurationOfHealthReportProducer]
>>                    load : HealthReportProducer
>>                load : CollectionExtensions
>>                load : Nile-Base
>>                load : Mondrian-ComplexShape
>>                load : Mondrian-Core
>>                load : Mondrian-Layouts
>>                load : Mondrian-Help
>>                load : Mondrian-Easel
>>                load : Mondrian-Pharo-Tests
>>                load : Mondrian-Shapes
>>                load : Mondrian-Events
>>                load : Mondrian-Visitor
>>                load : Mondrian-Util
>>                load : Mondrian-Normalizers
>>                load : Mondrian-Example
>>                load : Mondrian-ShapeVisitor
>>                load : Mondrian-Pharo-Morphic
>>                load : Mondrian-Tests
>>                load : Mondrian-FADELayout
>>            load : Glamour-Mondrian-Presentations
>>            load : Glamour-Tests-Mondrian
>>            atomic load : default [ConfigurationOfEyeSee]
>>                load : EyeSee-Events
>>                load : EyeSee-Axis
>>                load : EyeSee-Tests-Core
>>                load : EyeSee-Support
>>                load : EyeSee-Core
>>            load : Glamour-EyeSee-Presentations
>>            load : Glamour-Tests-EyeSee
>>            linear load : 1.0.6.1 [ConfigurationOfGrease]
>>                load : ConfigurationOfRefactoringBrowser
>>            linear load : 1.0.6.1 [ConfigurationOfGrease]
>>                load : Grease-Slime-lr.13
>>            load : Magritte-Model
>>            load : Magritte-Pharo-Model
>>            load : Magritte-Morph
>>            load : Glamour-Magritte-Presentations
>>            load : Magritte-Tests-Model
>>        load : GT-Playground
>>        load : GT-Inspector
>>
>> --
>> Mariano
>> http://marianopeck.wordpress.com
>>
>
> --
> www.tudorgirba.com
>
> "Every successful trip needs a suitable vehicle."
>
>
>
>
>


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Re: Can this be improved in Glamourous?

Tudor Girba-2
Hi,

On 15 Oct 2011, at 23:13, Stéphane Ducasse wrote:

>
> On Oct 15, 2011, at 10:58 PM, Tudor Girba wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> On 15 Oct 2011, at 22:36, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Tudor. Today I wanted to give it a try to 'GT-Inspector' 'GT-Playground'   hence I did:
>>
>> I am happy you decided to give them a try :). But, the Playground is not yet ready :).
>>
>>> (ConfigurationOfGlamoroust project version: #bleedingEdge) load: #('GT-Inspector' 'GT-Playground' ).
>>>
>>> In a Pharo 1.3 release. To my surprise, it took like half an hour to install, and it even was broken because it installed a different version of refactoring browser that is not working in 1.3.
>>
>> This is due to a broken ConfiguraitonOfRB. I would actually be very interested in a fix in this area.
>
> what is broken? because I spent one full sprint to fix it.

Actually it is not broken. Something else is broken by loading an older version somewhere in the Moose configuration. I did not have time yet.

>>> So..can I ask.. are all of those projects really needed just for 2 simples things like a cool inspector and a cool workspace?
>>> do you need Nile, Grease, RefactoringBrowser, EyeSee, Magritte ???
>>> can I somehow just load a minimal core for those things I need ?
>>
>> These projects are loaded by the full default ConfigurationOfGlamour. The ConfigurationOfGlamour offers groups, but the GlamorousToolikt one does not yet. If someone can tell me how to do something like this, I would be happy to accommodate the solution.
>
> in the chapter on metacello groups are explained. I can send you the latest version if you want.

I know how they work. I was actually referring to the actual code :). It is such a big mess to deal with the explosion of combinations.

Doru


>> Cheers,
>> Doru
>>
>>
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>> linear load :
>>>   linear load : baseline-0.1 [ConfigurationOfGlamoroust]
>>>       load : ConfigurationOfGlamour
>>>   atomic load : baseline-0.1 [ConfigurationOfGlamoroust]
>>>       linear load : default [ConfigurationOfGlamour]
>>>           load : ConfigurationOfEyeSee
>>>       linear load : default [ConfigurationOfGlamour]
>>>           load : ConfigurationOfGrease
>>>       linear load : default [ConfigurationOfGlamour]
>>>           load : ConfigurationOfMondrian
>>>       linear load : default [ConfigurationOfGlamour]
>>>           load : ConfigurationOfShout
>>>       atomic load : default [ConfigurationOfGlamour]
>>>           load : CollectionExtensions
>>>           load : Glamour-Announcements
>>>           load : Glamour-Helpers
>>>           load : Glamour-Core
>>>           load : Glamour-Presentations
>>>           load : Glamour-Browsers
>>>           load : Glamour-Tests-Core
>>>           load : Glamour-Morphic-Theme
>>>           load : Glamour-Examples
>>>           load : Glamour-Tools
>>>           load : Glamour-Morphic-Widgets
>>>           load : Glamour-Morphic-Renderer
>>>           load : Glamour-Tests-Morphic
>>>           linear load : default [ConfigurationOfMondrian]
>>>               load : ConfigurationOfProfStef
>>>           linear load : default [ConfigurationOfMondrian]
>>>               load : ConfigurationOfHealthReportProducer
>>>           linear load : default [ConfigurationOfMondrian]
>>>               load : ConfigurationOfShapeST80
>>>           atomic load : default [ConfigurationOfMondrian]
>>>               atomic load : 0.2-baseline [ConfigurationOfHealthReportProducer]
>>>                   load : HealthReportProducer
>>>               load : CollectionExtensions
>>>               load : Nile-Base
>>>               load : Mondrian-ComplexShape
>>>               load : Mondrian-Core
>>>               load : Mondrian-Layouts
>>>               load : Mondrian-Help
>>>               load : Mondrian-Easel
>>>               load : Mondrian-Pharo-Tests
>>>               load : Mondrian-Shapes
>>>               load : Mondrian-Events
>>>               load : Mondrian-Visitor
>>>               load : Mondrian-Util
>>>               load : Mondrian-Normalizers
>>>               load : Mondrian-Example
>>>               load : Mondrian-ShapeVisitor
>>>               load : Mondrian-Pharo-Morphic
>>>               load : Mondrian-Tests
>>>               load : Mondrian-FADELayout
>>>           load : Glamour-Mondrian-Presentations
>>>           load : Glamour-Tests-Mondrian
>>>           atomic load : default [ConfigurationOfEyeSee]
>>>               load : EyeSee-Events
>>>               load : EyeSee-Axis
>>>               load : EyeSee-Tests-Core
>>>               load : EyeSee-Support
>>>               load : EyeSee-Core
>>>           load : Glamour-EyeSee-Presentations
>>>           load : Glamour-Tests-EyeSee
>>>           linear load : 1.0.6.1 [ConfigurationOfGrease]
>>>               load : ConfigurationOfRefactoringBrowser
>>>           linear load : 1.0.6.1 [ConfigurationOfGrease]
>>>               load : Grease-Slime-lr.13
>>>           load : Magritte-Model
>>>           load : Magritte-Pharo-Model
>>>           load : Magritte-Morph
>>>           load : Glamour-Magritte-Presentations
>>>           load : Magritte-Tests-Model
>>>       load : GT-Playground
>>>       load : GT-Inspector
>>>
>>> --
>>> Mariano
>>> http://marianopeck.wordpress.com
>>>
>>
>> --
>> www.tudorgirba.com
>>
>> "Every successful trip needs a suitable vehicle."
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>

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Re: Can this be improved in Glamourous?

Tudor Girba-2
Hi,

Btw, you can download a ready-made image with the GlamorousToolkit from:
http://ci.moosetechnology.org/job/glamorous-toolkit-latest-dev/lastSuccessfulBuild/artifact/glamoroust/*zip*/glamoroust.zip

Cheers,
Doru


On 15 Oct 2011, at 23:32, Tudor Girba wrote:

> Hi,
>
> On 15 Oct 2011, at 23:13, Stéphane Ducasse wrote:
>
>>
>> On Oct 15, 2011, at 10:58 PM, Tudor Girba wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> On 15 Oct 2011, at 22:36, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Tudor. Today I wanted to give it a try to 'GT-Inspector' 'GT-Playground'   hence I did:
>>>
>>> I am happy you decided to give them a try :). But, the Playground is not yet ready :).
>>>
>>>> (ConfigurationOfGlamoroust project version: #bleedingEdge) load: #('GT-Inspector' 'GT-Playground' ).
>>>>
>>>> In a Pharo 1.3 release. To my surprise, it took like half an hour to install, and it even was broken because it installed a different version of refactoring browser that is not working in 1.3.
>>>
>>> This is due to a broken ConfiguraitonOfRB. I would actually be very interested in a fix in this area.
>>
>> what is broken? because I spent one full sprint to fix it.
>
> Actually it is not broken. Something else is broken by loading an older version somewhere in the Moose configuration. I did not have time yet.
>
>>>> So..can I ask.. are all of those projects really needed just for 2 simples things like a cool inspector and a cool workspace?
>>>> do you need Nile, Grease, RefactoringBrowser, EyeSee, Magritte ???
>>>> can I somehow just load a minimal core for those things I need ?
>>>
>>> These projects are loaded by the full default ConfigurationOfGlamour. The ConfigurationOfGlamour offers groups, but the GlamorousToolikt one does not yet. If someone can tell me how to do something like this, I would be happy to accommodate the solution.
>>
>> in the chapter on metacello groups are explained. I can send you the latest version if you want.
>
> I know how they work. I was actually referring to the actual code :). It is such a big mess to deal with the explosion of combinations.
>
> Doru
>
>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Doru
>>>
>>>
>>>> Thanks
>>>>
>>>> linear load :
>>>>  linear load : baseline-0.1 [ConfigurationOfGlamoroust]
>>>>      load : ConfigurationOfGlamour
>>>>  atomic load : baseline-0.1 [ConfigurationOfGlamoroust]
>>>>      linear load : default [ConfigurationOfGlamour]
>>>>          load : ConfigurationOfEyeSee
>>>>      linear load : default [ConfigurationOfGlamour]
>>>>          load : ConfigurationOfGrease
>>>>      linear load : default [ConfigurationOfGlamour]
>>>>          load : ConfigurationOfMondrian
>>>>      linear load : default [ConfigurationOfGlamour]
>>>>          load : ConfigurationOfShout
>>>>      atomic load : default [ConfigurationOfGlamour]
>>>>          load : CollectionExtensions
>>>>          load : Glamour-Announcements
>>>>          load : Glamour-Helpers
>>>>          load : Glamour-Core
>>>>          load : Glamour-Presentations
>>>>          load : Glamour-Browsers
>>>>          load : Glamour-Tests-Core
>>>>          load : Glamour-Morphic-Theme
>>>>          load : Glamour-Examples
>>>>          load : Glamour-Tools
>>>>          load : Glamour-Morphic-Widgets
>>>>          load : Glamour-Morphic-Renderer
>>>>          load : Glamour-Tests-Morphic
>>>>          linear load : default [ConfigurationOfMondrian]
>>>>              load : ConfigurationOfProfStef
>>>>          linear load : default [ConfigurationOfMondrian]
>>>>              load : ConfigurationOfHealthReportProducer
>>>>          linear load : default [ConfigurationOfMondrian]
>>>>              load : ConfigurationOfShapeST80
>>>>          atomic load : default [ConfigurationOfMondrian]
>>>>              atomic load : 0.2-baseline [ConfigurationOfHealthReportProducer]
>>>>                  load : HealthReportProducer
>>>>              load : CollectionExtensions
>>>>              load : Nile-Base
>>>>              load : Mondrian-ComplexShape
>>>>              load : Mondrian-Core
>>>>              load : Mondrian-Layouts
>>>>              load : Mondrian-Help
>>>>              load : Mondrian-Easel
>>>>              load : Mondrian-Pharo-Tests
>>>>              load : Mondrian-Shapes
>>>>              load : Mondrian-Events
>>>>              load : Mondrian-Visitor
>>>>              load : Mondrian-Util
>>>>              load : Mondrian-Normalizers
>>>>              load : Mondrian-Example
>>>>              load : Mondrian-ShapeVisitor
>>>>              load : Mondrian-Pharo-Morphic
>>>>              load : Mondrian-Tests
>>>>              load : Mondrian-FADELayout
>>>>          load : Glamour-Mondrian-Presentations
>>>>          load : Glamour-Tests-Mondrian
>>>>          atomic load : default [ConfigurationOfEyeSee]
>>>>              load : EyeSee-Events
>>>>              load : EyeSee-Axis
>>>>              load : EyeSee-Tests-Core
>>>>              load : EyeSee-Support
>>>>              load : EyeSee-Core
>>>>          load : Glamour-EyeSee-Presentations
>>>>          load : Glamour-Tests-EyeSee
>>>>          linear load : 1.0.6.1 [ConfigurationOfGrease]
>>>>              load : ConfigurationOfRefactoringBrowser
>>>>          linear load : 1.0.6.1 [ConfigurationOfGrease]
>>>>              load : Grease-Slime-lr.13
>>>>          load : Magritte-Model
>>>>          load : Magritte-Pharo-Model
>>>>          load : Magritte-Morph
>>>>          load : Glamour-Magritte-Presentations
>>>>          load : Magritte-Tests-Model
>>>>      load : GT-Playground
>>>>      load : GT-Inspector
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Mariano
>>>> http://marianopeck.wordpress.com
>>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> www.tudorgirba.com
>>>
>>> "Every successful trip needs a suitable vehicle."
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
> --
> www.tudorgirba.com
>
> "One cannot do more than one can do."
>
>
>

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Re: Can this be improved in Glamourous?

Mariano Martinez Peck
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On Sat, Oct 15, 2011 at 11:32 PM, Tudor Girba <[hidden email]> wrote:
Hi,

On 15 Oct 2011, at 23:13, Stéphane Ducasse wrote:

>
> On Oct 15, 2011, at 10:58 PM, Tudor Girba wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> On 15 Oct 2011, at 22:36, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Tudor. Today I wanted to give it a try to 'GT-Inspector' 'GT-Playground'   hence I did:
>>
>> I am happy you decided to give them a try :). But, the Playground is not yet ready :).
>>
>>> (ConfigurationOfGlamoroust project version: #bleedingEdge) load: #('GT-Inspector' 'GT-Playground' ).
>>>
>>> In a Pharo 1.3 release. To my surprise, it took like half an hour to install, and it even was broken because it installed a different version of refactoring browser that is not working in 1.3.
>>
>> This is due to a broken ConfiguraitonOfRB. I would actually be very interested in a fix in this area.
>
> what is broken? because I spent one full sprint to fix it.

Actually it is not broken. Something else is broken by loading an older version somewhere in the Moose configuration. I did not have time yet.

>>> So..can I ask.. are all of those projects really needed just for 2 simples things like a cool inspector and a cool workspace?
>>> do you need Nile, Grease, RefactoringBrowser, EyeSee, Magritte ???
>>> can I somehow just load a minimal core for those things I need ?
>>
>> These projects are loaded by the full default ConfigurationOfGlamour. The ConfigurationOfGlamour offers groups, but the GlamorousToolikt one does not yet. If someone can tell me how to do something like this, I would be happy to accommodate the solution.
>
> in the chapter on metacello groups are explained. I can send you the latest version if you want.

I know how they work. I was actually referring to the actual code :). It is such a big mess to deal with the explosion of combinations.


Well, I guess that if you don't know then nobody knows. I mean, Moose is your project ;) you know better than us its dependencies.

Cheers

 
Doru


>> Cheers,
>> Doru
>>
>>
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>> linear load :
>>>   linear load : baseline-0.1 [ConfigurationOfGlamoroust]
>>>       load : ConfigurationOfGlamour
>>>   atomic load : baseline-0.1 [ConfigurationOfGlamoroust]
>>>       linear load : default [ConfigurationOfGlamour]
>>>           load : ConfigurationOfEyeSee
>>>       linear load : default [ConfigurationOfGlamour]
>>>           load : ConfigurationOfGrease
>>>       linear load : default [ConfigurationOfGlamour]
>>>           load : ConfigurationOfMondrian
>>>       linear load : default [ConfigurationOfGlamour]
>>>           load : ConfigurationOfShout
>>>       atomic load : default [ConfigurationOfGlamour]
>>>           load : CollectionExtensions
>>>           load : Glamour-Announcements
>>>           load : Glamour-Helpers
>>>           load : Glamour-Core
>>>           load : Glamour-Presentations
>>>           load : Glamour-Browsers
>>>           load : Glamour-Tests-Core
>>>           load : Glamour-Morphic-Theme
>>>           load : Glamour-Examples
>>>           load : Glamour-Tools
>>>           load : Glamour-Morphic-Widgets
>>>           load : Glamour-Morphic-Renderer
>>>           load : Glamour-Tests-Morphic
>>>           linear load : default [ConfigurationOfMondrian]
>>>               load : ConfigurationOfProfStef
>>>           linear load : default [ConfigurationOfMondrian]
>>>               load : ConfigurationOfHealthReportProducer
>>>           linear load : default [ConfigurationOfMondrian]
>>>               load : ConfigurationOfShapeST80
>>>           atomic load : default [ConfigurationOfMondrian]
>>>               atomic load : 0.2-baseline [ConfigurationOfHealthReportProducer]
>>>                   load : HealthReportProducer
>>>               load : CollectionExtensions
>>>               load : Nile-Base
>>>               load : Mondrian-ComplexShape
>>>               load : Mondrian-Core
>>>               load : Mondrian-Layouts
>>>               load : Mondrian-Help
>>>               load : Mondrian-Easel
>>>               load : Mondrian-Pharo-Tests
>>>               load : Mondrian-Shapes
>>>               load : Mondrian-Events
>>>               load : Mondrian-Visitor
>>>               load : Mondrian-Util
>>>               load : Mondrian-Normalizers
>>>               load : Mondrian-Example
>>>               load : Mondrian-ShapeVisitor
>>>               load : Mondrian-Pharo-Morphic
>>>               load : Mondrian-Tests
>>>               load : Mondrian-FADELayout
>>>           load : Glamour-Mondrian-Presentations
>>>           load : Glamour-Tests-Mondrian
>>>           atomic load : default [ConfigurationOfEyeSee]
>>>               load : EyeSee-Events
>>>               load : EyeSee-Axis
>>>               load : EyeSee-Tests-Core
>>>               load : EyeSee-Support
>>>               load : EyeSee-Core
>>>           load : Glamour-EyeSee-Presentations
>>>           load : Glamour-Tests-EyeSee
>>>           linear load : 1.0.6.1 [ConfigurationOfGrease]
>>>               load : ConfigurationOfRefactoringBrowser
>>>           linear load : 1.0.6.1 [ConfigurationOfGrease]
>>>               load : Grease-Slime-lr.13
>>>           load : Magritte-Model
>>>           load : Magritte-Pharo-Model
>>>           load : Magritte-Morph
>>>           load : Glamour-Magritte-Presentations
>>>           load : Magritte-Tests-Model
>>>       load : GT-Playground
>>>       load : GT-Inspector
>>>
>>> --
>>> Mariano
>>> http://marianopeck.wordpress.com
>>>
>>
>> --
>> www.tudorgirba.com
>>
>> "Every successful trip needs a suitable vehicle."
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>

--
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"One cannot do more than one can do."







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Re: Can this be improved in Glamourous?

Mariano Martinez Peck
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On Sat, Oct 15, 2011 at 11:37 PM, Tudor Girba <[hidden email]> wrote:
Hi,

Btw, you can download a ready-made image with the GlamorousToolkit from:
http://ci.moosetechnology.org/job/glamorous-toolkit-latest-dev/lastSuccessfulBuild/artifact/glamoroust/*zip*/glamoroust.zip


Thanks.

And why that one is not broken ? how do you load it ?
 
Cheers,
Doru


On 15 Oct 2011, at 23:32, Tudor Girba wrote:

> Hi,
>
> On 15 Oct 2011, at 23:13, Stéphane Ducasse wrote:
>
>>
>> On Oct 15, 2011, at 10:58 PM, Tudor Girba wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> On 15 Oct 2011, at 22:36, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Tudor. Today I wanted to give it a try to 'GT-Inspector' 'GT-Playground'   hence I did:
>>>
>>> I am happy you decided to give them a try :). But, the Playground is not yet ready :).
>>>
>>>> (ConfigurationOfGlamoroust project version: #bleedingEdge) load: #('GT-Inspector' 'GT-Playground' ).
>>>>
>>>> In a Pharo 1.3 release. To my surprise, it took like half an hour to install, and it even was broken because it installed a different version of refactoring browser that is not working in 1.3.
>>>
>>> This is due to a broken ConfiguraitonOfRB. I would actually be very interested in a fix in this area.
>>
>> what is broken? because I spent one full sprint to fix it.
>
> Actually it is not broken. Something else is broken by loading an older version somewhere in the Moose configuration. I did not have time yet.
>
>>>> So..can I ask.. are all of those projects really needed just for 2 simples things like a cool inspector and a cool workspace?
>>>> do you need Nile, Grease, RefactoringBrowser, EyeSee, Magritte ???
>>>> can I somehow just load a minimal core for those things I need ?
>>>
>>> These projects are loaded by the full default ConfigurationOfGlamour. The ConfigurationOfGlamour offers groups, but the GlamorousToolikt one does not yet. If someone can tell me how to do something like this, I would be happy to accommodate the solution.
>>
>> in the chapter on metacello groups are explained. I can send you the latest version if you want.
>
> I know how they work. I was actually referring to the actual code :). It is such a big mess to deal with the explosion of combinations.
>
> Doru
>
>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Doru
>>>
>>>
>>>> Thanks
>>>>
>>>> linear load :
>>>>  linear load : baseline-0.1 [ConfigurationOfGlamoroust]
>>>>      load : ConfigurationOfGlamour
>>>>  atomic load : baseline-0.1 [ConfigurationOfGlamoroust]
>>>>      linear load : default [ConfigurationOfGlamour]
>>>>          load : ConfigurationOfEyeSee
>>>>      linear load : default [ConfigurationOfGlamour]
>>>>          load : ConfigurationOfGrease
>>>>      linear load : default [ConfigurationOfGlamour]
>>>>          load : ConfigurationOfMondrian
>>>>      linear load : default [ConfigurationOfGlamour]
>>>>          load : ConfigurationOfShout
>>>>      atomic load : default [ConfigurationOfGlamour]
>>>>          load : CollectionExtensions
>>>>          load : Glamour-Announcements
>>>>          load : Glamour-Helpers
>>>>          load : Glamour-Core
>>>>          load : Glamour-Presentations
>>>>          load : Glamour-Browsers
>>>>          load : Glamour-Tests-Core
>>>>          load : Glamour-Morphic-Theme
>>>>          load : Glamour-Examples
>>>>          load : Glamour-Tools
>>>>          load : Glamour-Morphic-Widgets
>>>>          load : Glamour-Morphic-Renderer
>>>>          load : Glamour-Tests-Morphic
>>>>          linear load : default [ConfigurationOfMondrian]
>>>>              load : ConfigurationOfProfStef
>>>>          linear load : default [ConfigurationOfMondrian]
>>>>              load : ConfigurationOfHealthReportProducer
>>>>          linear load : default [ConfigurationOfMondrian]
>>>>              load : ConfigurationOfShapeST80
>>>>          atomic load : default [ConfigurationOfMondrian]
>>>>              atomic load : 0.2-baseline [ConfigurationOfHealthReportProducer]
>>>>                  load : HealthReportProducer
>>>>              load : CollectionExtensions
>>>>              load : Nile-Base
>>>>              load : Mondrian-ComplexShape
>>>>              load : Mondrian-Core
>>>>              load : Mondrian-Layouts
>>>>              load : Mondrian-Help
>>>>              load : Mondrian-Easel
>>>>              load : Mondrian-Pharo-Tests
>>>>              load : Mondrian-Shapes
>>>>              load : Mondrian-Events
>>>>              load : Mondrian-Visitor
>>>>              load : Mondrian-Util
>>>>              load : Mondrian-Normalizers
>>>>              load : Mondrian-Example
>>>>              load : Mondrian-ShapeVisitor
>>>>              load : Mondrian-Pharo-Morphic
>>>>              load : Mondrian-Tests
>>>>              load : Mondrian-FADELayout
>>>>          load : Glamour-Mondrian-Presentations
>>>>          load : Glamour-Tests-Mondrian
>>>>          atomic load : default [ConfigurationOfEyeSee]
>>>>              load : EyeSee-Events
>>>>              load : EyeSee-Axis
>>>>              load : EyeSee-Tests-Core
>>>>              load : EyeSee-Support
>>>>              load : EyeSee-Core
>>>>          load : Glamour-EyeSee-Presentations
>>>>          load : Glamour-Tests-EyeSee
>>>>          linear load : 1.0.6.1 [ConfigurationOfGrease]
>>>>              load : ConfigurationOfRefactoringBrowser
>>>>          linear load : 1.0.6.1 [ConfigurationOfGrease]
>>>>              load : Grease-Slime-lr.13
>>>>          load : Magritte-Model
>>>>          load : Magritte-Pharo-Model
>>>>          load : Magritte-Morph
>>>>          load : Glamour-Magritte-Presentations
>>>>          load : Magritte-Tests-Model
>>>>      load : GT-Playground
>>>>      load : GT-Inspector
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Mariano
>>>> http://marianopeck.wordpress.com
>>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> www.tudorgirba.com
>>>
>>> "Every successful trip needs a suitable vehicle."
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
> --
> www.tudorgirba.com
>
> "One cannot do more than one can do."
>
>
>

--
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Re: Can this be improved in Glamourous?

Tudor Girba-2
Hi,

I load it in a fresh Pharo 1.3 13287 image just like the squeaksource page says:

Gofer new
        squeaksource: 'glamoroust';
        package: 'ConfigurationOfGlamoroust';
        load.
(Smalltalk at: #ConfigurationOfGlamoroust) perform: #loadDefault.

Cheers,
Doru


On 16 Oct 2011, at 20:40, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote:

>
>
> On Sat, Oct 15, 2011 at 11:37 PM, Tudor Girba <[hidden email]> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Btw, you can download a ready-made image with the GlamorousToolkit from:
> http://ci.moosetechnology.org/job/glamorous-toolkit-latest-dev/lastSuccessfulBuild/artifact/glamoroust/*zip*/glamoroust.zip
>
>
> Thanks.
>
> And why that one is not broken ? how do you load it ?
>  
> Cheers,
> Doru
>
>
> On 15 Oct 2011, at 23:32, Tudor Girba wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > On 15 Oct 2011, at 23:13, Stéphane Ducasse wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> On Oct 15, 2011, at 10:58 PM, Tudor Girba wrote:
> >>
> >>> Hi,
> >>>
> >>> On 15 Oct 2011, at 22:36, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Hi Tudor. Today I wanted to give it a try to 'GT-Inspector' 'GT-Playground'   hence I did:
> >>>
> >>> I am happy you decided to give them a try :). But, the Playground is not yet ready :).
> >>>
> >>>> (ConfigurationOfGlamoroust project version: #bleedingEdge) load: #('GT-Inspector' 'GT-Playground' ).
> >>>>
> >>>> In a Pharo 1.3 release. To my surprise, it took like half an hour to install, and it even was broken because it installed a different version of refactoring browser that is not working in 1.3.
> >>>
> >>> This is due to a broken ConfiguraitonOfRB. I would actually be very interested in a fix in this area.
> >>
> >> what is broken? because I spent one full sprint to fix it.
> >
> > Actually it is not broken. Something else is broken by loading an older version somewhere in the Moose configuration. I did not have time yet.
> >
> >>>> So..can I ask.. are all of those projects really needed just for 2 simples things like a cool inspector and a cool workspace?
> >>>> do you need Nile, Grease, RefactoringBrowser, EyeSee, Magritte ???
> >>>> can I somehow just load a minimal core for those things I need ?
> >>>
> >>> These projects are loaded by the full default ConfigurationOfGlamour. The ConfigurationOfGlamour offers groups, but the GlamorousToolikt one does not yet. If someone can tell me how to do something like this, I would be happy to accommodate the solution.
> >>
> >> in the chapter on metacello groups are explained. I can send you the latest version if you want.
> >
> > I know how they work. I was actually referring to the actual code :). It is such a big mess to deal with the explosion of combinations.
> >
> > Doru
> >
> >
> >>> Cheers,
> >>> Doru
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> Thanks
> >>>>
> >>>> linear load :
> >>>>  linear load : baseline-0.1 [ConfigurationOfGlamoroust]
> >>>>      load : ConfigurationOfGlamour
> >>>>  atomic load : baseline-0.1 [ConfigurationOfGlamoroust]
> >>>>      linear load : default [ConfigurationOfGlamour]
> >>>>          load : ConfigurationOfEyeSee
> >>>>      linear load : default [ConfigurationOfGlamour]
> >>>>          load : ConfigurationOfGrease
> >>>>      linear load : default [ConfigurationOfGlamour]
> >>>>          load : ConfigurationOfMondrian
> >>>>      linear load : default [ConfigurationOfGlamour]
> >>>>          load : ConfigurationOfShout
> >>>>      atomic load : default [ConfigurationOfGlamour]
> >>>>          load : CollectionExtensions
> >>>>          load : Glamour-Announcements
> >>>>          load : Glamour-Helpers
> >>>>          load : Glamour-Core
> >>>>          load : Glamour-Presentations
> >>>>          load : Glamour-Browsers
> >>>>          load : Glamour-Tests-Core
> >>>>          load : Glamour-Morphic-Theme
> >>>>          load : Glamour-Examples
> >>>>          load : Glamour-Tools
> >>>>          load : Glamour-Morphic-Widgets
> >>>>          load : Glamour-Morphic-Renderer
> >>>>          load : Glamour-Tests-Morphic
> >>>>          linear load : default [ConfigurationOfMondrian]
> >>>>              load : ConfigurationOfProfStef
> >>>>          linear load : default [ConfigurationOfMondrian]
> >>>>              load : ConfigurationOfHealthReportProducer
> >>>>          linear load : default [ConfigurationOfMondrian]
> >>>>              load : ConfigurationOfShapeST80
> >>>>          atomic load : default [ConfigurationOfMondrian]
> >>>>              atomic load : 0.2-baseline [ConfigurationOfHealthReportProducer]
> >>>>                  load : HealthReportProducer
> >>>>              load : CollectionExtensions
> >>>>              load : Nile-Base
> >>>>              load : Mondrian-ComplexShape
> >>>>              load : Mondrian-Core
> >>>>              load : Mondrian-Layouts
> >>>>              load : Mondrian-Help
> >>>>              load : Mondrian-Easel
> >>>>              load : Mondrian-Pharo-Tests
> >>>>              load : Mondrian-Shapes
> >>>>              load : Mondrian-Events
> >>>>              load : Mondrian-Visitor
> >>>>              load : Mondrian-Util
> >>>>              load : Mondrian-Normalizers
> >>>>              load : Mondrian-Example
> >>>>              load : Mondrian-ShapeVisitor
> >>>>              load : Mondrian-Pharo-Morphic
> >>>>              load : Mondrian-Tests
> >>>>              load : Mondrian-FADELayout
> >>>>          load : Glamour-Mondrian-Presentations
> >>>>          load : Glamour-Tests-Mondrian
> >>>>          atomic load : default [ConfigurationOfEyeSee]
> >>>>              load : EyeSee-Events
> >>>>              load : EyeSee-Axis
> >>>>              load : EyeSee-Tests-Core
> >>>>              load : EyeSee-Support
> >>>>              load : EyeSee-Core
> >>>>          load : Glamour-EyeSee-Presentations
> >>>>          load : Glamour-Tests-EyeSee
> >>>>          linear load : 1.0.6.1 [ConfigurationOfGrease]
> >>>>              load : ConfigurationOfRefactoringBrowser
> >>>>          linear load : 1.0.6.1 [ConfigurationOfGrease]
> >>>>              load : Grease-Slime-lr.13
> >>>>          load : Magritte-Model
> >>>>          load : Magritte-Pharo-Model
> >>>>          load : Magritte-Morph
> >>>>          load : Glamour-Magritte-Presentations
> >>>>          load : Magritte-Tests-Model
> >>>>      load : GT-Playground
> >>>>      load : GT-Inspector
> >>>>
> >>>> --
> >>>> Mariano
> >>>> http://marianopeck.wordpress.com
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> www.tudorgirba.com
> >>>
> >>> "Every successful trip needs a suitable vehicle."
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >
> > --
> > www.tudorgirba.com
> >
> > "One cannot do more than one can do."
> >
> >
> >
>
> --
> www.tudorgirba.com
>
> "Obvious things are difficult to teach."
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
> Mariano
> http://marianopeck.wordpress.com
>

--
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Re: Can this be improved in Glamourous?

Marcus Denker-4
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On Oct 16, 2011, at 9:36 PM, Tudor Girba wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I load it in a fresh Pharo 1.3 13287 image just like the squeaksource page says:
>

13287 is very (very!!!) old.. the last version of the Full image is 13307, the last Core image
(which we need to build a full image of, after fixing the Shout MetaCello package) is  13315.

        Marcus


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Re: Can this be improved in Glamourous?

Marcus Denker-4
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On Oct 15, 2011, at 11:13 PM, Stéphane Ducasse wrote:

>
> On Oct 15, 2011, at 10:58 PM, Tudor Girba wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> On 15 Oct 2011, at 22:36, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Tudor. Today I wanted to give it a try to 'GT-Inspector' 'GT-Playground'   hence I did:
>>
>> I am happy you decided to give them a try :). But, the Playground is not yet ready :).
>>
>>> (ConfigurationOfGlamoroust project version: #bleedingEdge) load: #('GT-Inspector' 'GT-Playground' ).
>>>
>>> In a Pharo 1.3 release. To my surprise, it took like half an hour to install, and it even was broken because it installed a different version of refactoring browser that is not working in 1.3.
>>
>> This is due to a broken ConfiguraitonOfRB. I would actually be very interested in a fix in this area.
>
> what is broken? because I spent one full sprint to fix it.


the fixed version needs a new Core (13315), while the Full image right now is 13307.
The RB between the two is not compatible.

We need to fix the Metacello of Shout to load the latest version so we can build a Full image based
on 13315, this should solve some of the problems.

        Marcus


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Re: Can this be improved in Glamourous?

Tudor Girba-2
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Hi Mariano,

On 16 Oct 2011, at 20:39, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote:

>
>
> On Sat, Oct 15, 2011 at 11:32 PM, Tudor Girba <[hidden email]> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On 15 Oct 2011, at 23:13, Stéphane Ducasse wrote:
>
> >
> > On Oct 15, 2011, at 10:58 PM, Tudor Girba wrote:
> >
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> On 15 Oct 2011, at 22:36, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote:
> >>
> >>> Hi Tudor. Today I wanted to give it a try to 'GT-Inspector' 'GT-Playground'   hence I did:
> >>
> >> I am happy you decided to give them a try :). But, the Playground is not yet ready :).
> >>
> >>> (ConfigurationOfGlamoroust project version: #bleedingEdge) load: #('GT-Inspector' 'GT-Playground' ).
> >>>
> >>> In a Pharo 1.3 release. To my surprise, it took like half an hour to install, and it even was broken because it installed a different version of refactoring browser that is not working in 1.3.
> >>
> >> This is due to a broken ConfiguraitonOfRB. I would actually be very interested in a fix in this area.
> >
> > what is broken? because I spent one full sprint to fix it.
>
> Actually it is not broken. Something else is broken by loading an older version somewhere in the Moose configuration. I did not have time yet.
>
> >>> So..can I ask.. are all of those projects really needed just for 2 simples things like a cool inspector and a cool workspace?
> >>> do you need Nile, Grease, RefactoringBrowser, EyeSee, Magritte ???
> >>> can I somehow just load a minimal core for those things I need ?
> >>
> >> These projects are loaded by the full default ConfigurationOfGlamour. The ConfigurationOfGlamour offers groups, but the GlamorousToolikt one does not yet. If someone can tell me how to do something like this, I would be happy to accommodate the solution.
> >
> > in the chapter on metacello groups are explained. I can send you the latest version if you want.
>
> I know how they work. I was actually referring to the actual code :). It is such a big mess to deal with the explosion of combinations.
>
>
> Well, I guess that if you don't know then nobody knows. I mean, Moose is your project ;) you know better than us its dependencies.


This comment was not helpful at all.

Doru



> Cheers
>
>  
> Doru
>
>
> >> Cheers,
> >> Doru
> >>
> >>
> >>> Thanks
> >>>
> >>> linear load :
> >>>   linear load : baseline-0.1 [ConfigurationOfGlamoroust]
> >>>       load : ConfigurationOfGlamour
> >>>   atomic load : baseline-0.1 [ConfigurationOfGlamoroust]
> >>>       linear load : default [ConfigurationOfGlamour]
> >>>           load : ConfigurationOfEyeSee
> >>>       linear load : default [ConfigurationOfGlamour]
> >>>           load : ConfigurationOfGrease
> >>>       linear load : default [ConfigurationOfGlamour]
> >>>           load : ConfigurationOfMondrian
> >>>       linear load : default [ConfigurationOfGlamour]
> >>>           load : ConfigurationOfShout
> >>>       atomic load : default [ConfigurationOfGlamour]
> >>>           load : CollectionExtensions
> >>>           load : Glamour-Announcements
> >>>           load : Glamour-Helpers
> >>>           load : Glamour-Core
> >>>           load : Glamour-Presentations
> >>>           load : Glamour-Browsers
> >>>           load : Glamour-Tests-Core
> >>>           load : Glamour-Morphic-Theme
> >>>           load : Glamour-Examples
> >>>           load : Glamour-Tools
> >>>           load : Glamour-Morphic-Widgets
> >>>           load : Glamour-Morphic-Renderer
> >>>           load : Glamour-Tests-Morphic
> >>>           linear load : default [ConfigurationOfMondrian]
> >>>               load : ConfigurationOfProfStef
> >>>           linear load : default [ConfigurationOfMondrian]
> >>>               load : ConfigurationOfHealthReportProducer
> >>>           linear load : default [ConfigurationOfMondrian]
> >>>               load : ConfigurationOfShapeST80
> >>>           atomic load : default [ConfigurationOfMondrian]
> >>>               atomic load : 0.2-baseline [ConfigurationOfHealthReportProducer]
> >>>                   load : HealthReportProducer
> >>>               load : CollectionExtensions
> >>>               load : Nile-Base
> >>>               load : Mondrian-ComplexShape
> >>>               load : Mondrian-Core
> >>>               load : Mondrian-Layouts
> >>>               load : Mondrian-Help
> >>>               load : Mondrian-Easel
> >>>               load : Mondrian-Pharo-Tests
> >>>               load : Mondrian-Shapes
> >>>               load : Mondrian-Events
> >>>               load : Mondrian-Visitor
> >>>               load : Mondrian-Util
> >>>               load : Mondrian-Normalizers
> >>>               load : Mondrian-Example
> >>>               load : Mondrian-ShapeVisitor
> >>>               load : Mondrian-Pharo-Morphic
> >>>               load : Mondrian-Tests
> >>>               load : Mondrian-FADELayout
> >>>           load : Glamour-Mondrian-Presentations
> >>>           load : Glamour-Tests-Mondrian
> >>>           atomic load : default [ConfigurationOfEyeSee]
> >>>               load : EyeSee-Events
> >>>               load : EyeSee-Axis
> >>>               load : EyeSee-Tests-Core
> >>>               load : EyeSee-Support
> >>>               load : EyeSee-Core
> >>>           load : Glamour-EyeSee-Presentations
> >>>           load : Glamour-Tests-EyeSee
> >>>           linear load : 1.0.6.1 [ConfigurationOfGrease]
> >>>               load : ConfigurationOfRefactoringBrowser
> >>>           linear load : 1.0.6.1 [ConfigurationOfGrease]
> >>>               load : Grease-Slime-lr.13
> >>>           load : Magritte-Model
> >>>           load : Magritte-Pharo-Model
> >>>           load : Magritte-Morph
> >>>           load : Glamour-Magritte-Presentations
> >>>           load : Magritte-Tests-Model
> >>>       load : GT-Playground
> >>>       load : GT-Inspector
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> Mariano
> >>> http://marianopeck.wordpress.com
> >>>
> >>
> >> --
> >> www.tudorgirba.com
> >>
> >> "Every successful trip needs a suitable vehicle."
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
> --
> www.tudorgirba.com
>
> "One cannot do more than one can do."
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
> Mariano
> http://marianopeck.wordpress.com
>

--
www.tudorgirba.com

"Every thing has its own flow."





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Re: Can this be improved in Glamourous?

Tudor Girba-2
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Hi Marcus,

Thanks for pointing it out. I had it on my to do list to update to the latest 1.3 release, but did not get around to do it. I now replaced the source image with Pharo 1.3 13307. When the new one arrives, I will update again.

Cheers,
Doru


On 16 Oct 2011, at 21:46, Marcus Denker wrote:

>
> On Oct 15, 2011, at 11:13 PM, Stéphane Ducasse wrote:
>
>>
>> On Oct 15, 2011, at 10:58 PM, Tudor Girba wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> On 15 Oct 2011, at 22:36, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Tudor. Today I wanted to give it a try to 'GT-Inspector' 'GT-Playground'   hence I did:
>>>
>>> I am happy you decided to give them a try :). But, the Playground is not yet ready :).
>>>
>>>> (ConfigurationOfGlamoroust project version: #bleedingEdge) load: #('GT-Inspector' 'GT-Playground' ).
>>>>
>>>> In a Pharo 1.3 release. To my surprise, it took like half an hour to install, and it even was broken because it installed a different version of refactoring browser that is not working in 1.3.
>>>
>>> This is due to a broken ConfiguraitonOfRB. I would actually be very interested in a fix in this area.
>>
>> what is broken? because I spent one full sprint to fix it.
>
>
> the fixed version needs a new Core (13315), while the Full image right now is 13307.
> The RB between the two is not compatible.
>
> We need to fix the Metacello of Shout to load the latest version so we can build a Full image based
> on 13315, this should solve some of the problems.
>
> Marcus
>
>
> --
> Marcus Denker -- http://marcusdenker.de
>
>

--
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Re: Can this be improved in Glamourous?

Mariano Martinez Peck
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On Sun, Oct 16, 2011 at 9:53 PM, Tudor Girba <[hidden email]> wrote:
Hi Mariano,

On 16 Oct 2011, at 20:39, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote:

>
>
> On Sat, Oct 15, 2011 at 11:32 PM, Tudor Girba <[hidden email]> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On 15 Oct 2011, at 23:13, Stéphane Ducasse wrote:
>
> >
> > On Oct 15, 2011, at 10:58 PM, Tudor Girba wrote:
> >
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> On 15 Oct 2011, at 22:36, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote:
> >>
> >>> Hi Tudor. Today I wanted to give it a try to 'GT-Inspector' 'GT-Playground'   hence I did:
> >>
> >> I am happy you decided to give them a try :). But, the Playground is not yet ready :).
> >>
> >>> (ConfigurationOfGlamoroust project version: #bleedingEdge) load: #('GT-Inspector' 'GT-Playground' ).
> >>>
> >>> In a Pharo 1.3 release. To my surprise, it took like half an hour to install, and it even was broken because it installed a different version of refactoring browser that is not working in 1.3.
> >>
> >> This is due to a broken ConfiguraitonOfRB. I would actually be very interested in a fix in this area.
> >
> > what is broken? because I spent one full sprint to fix it.
>
> Actually it is not broken. Something else is broken by loading an older version somewhere in the Moose configuration. I did not have time yet.
>
> >>> So..can I ask.. are all of those projects really needed just for 2 simples things like a cool inspector and a cool workspace?
> >>> do you need Nile, Grease, RefactoringBrowser, EyeSee, Magritte ???
> >>> can I somehow just load a minimal core for those things I need ?
> >>
> >> These projects are loaded by the full default ConfigurationOfGlamour. The ConfigurationOfGlamour offers groups, but the GlamorousToolikt one does not yet. If someone can tell me how to do something like this, I would be happy to accommodate the solution.
> >
> > in the chapter on metacello groups are explained. I can send you the latest version if you want.
>
> I know how they work. I was actually referring to the actual code :). It is such a big mess to deal with the explosion of combinations.
>
>
> Well, I guess that if you don't know then nobody knows. I mean, Moose is your project ;) you know better than us its dependencies.


This comment was not helpful at all.


It was not my intention to be rude. I am only saying that if you already know the tool there isn't anything I can do to help.
I am just trying to build my own image with Glamourous since I think it is an important project. All I tried to do is to give you my feedback. Unfortunately, I cannot use that image you mention because I NEED the last 1.3 stable/released image. I can use your one click image, use it 5 minutes and let it. For in order to try it for real, I need to have it in my own images.

Cheers

 
Doru



> Cheers
>
>
> Doru
>
>
> >> Cheers,
> >> Doru
> >>
> >>
> >>> Thanks
> >>>
> >>> linear load :
> >>>   linear load : baseline-0.1 [ConfigurationOfGlamoroust]
> >>>       load : ConfigurationOfGlamour
> >>>   atomic load : baseline-0.1 [ConfigurationOfGlamoroust]
> >>>       linear load : default [ConfigurationOfGlamour]
> >>>           load : ConfigurationOfEyeSee
> >>>       linear load : default [ConfigurationOfGlamour]
> >>>           load : ConfigurationOfGrease
> >>>       linear load : default [ConfigurationOfGlamour]
> >>>           load : ConfigurationOfMondrian
> >>>       linear load : default [ConfigurationOfGlamour]
> >>>           load : ConfigurationOfShout
> >>>       atomic load : default [ConfigurationOfGlamour]
> >>>           load : CollectionExtensions
> >>>           load : Glamour-Announcements
> >>>           load : Glamour-Helpers
> >>>           load : Glamour-Core
> >>>           load : Glamour-Presentations
> >>>           load : Glamour-Browsers
> >>>           load : Glamour-Tests-Core
> >>>           load : Glamour-Morphic-Theme
> >>>           load : Glamour-Examples
> >>>           load : Glamour-Tools
> >>>           load : Glamour-Morphic-Widgets
> >>>           load : Glamour-Morphic-Renderer
> >>>           load : Glamour-Tests-Morphic
> >>>           linear load : default [ConfigurationOfMondrian]
> >>>               load : ConfigurationOfProfStef
> >>>           linear load : default [ConfigurationOfMondrian]
> >>>               load : ConfigurationOfHealthReportProducer
> >>>           linear load : default [ConfigurationOfMondrian]
> >>>               load : ConfigurationOfShapeST80
> >>>           atomic load : default [ConfigurationOfMondrian]
> >>>               atomic load : 0.2-baseline [ConfigurationOfHealthReportProducer]
> >>>                   load : HealthReportProducer
> >>>               load : CollectionExtensions
> >>>               load : Nile-Base
> >>>               load : Mondrian-ComplexShape
> >>>               load : Mondrian-Core
> >>>               load : Mondrian-Layouts
> >>>               load : Mondrian-Help
> >>>               load : Mondrian-Easel
> >>>               load : Mondrian-Pharo-Tests
> >>>               load : Mondrian-Shapes
> >>>               load : Mondrian-Events
> >>>               load : Mondrian-Visitor
> >>>               load : Mondrian-Util
> >>>               load : Mondrian-Normalizers
> >>>               load : Mondrian-Example
> >>>               load : Mondrian-ShapeVisitor
> >>>               load : Mondrian-Pharo-Morphic
> >>>               load : Mondrian-Tests
> >>>               load : Mondrian-FADELayout
> >>>           load : Glamour-Mondrian-Presentations
> >>>           load : Glamour-Tests-Mondrian
> >>>           atomic load : default [ConfigurationOfEyeSee]
> >>>               load : EyeSee-Events
> >>>               load : EyeSee-Axis
> >>>               load : EyeSee-Tests-Core
> >>>               load : EyeSee-Support
> >>>               load : EyeSee-Core
> >>>           load : Glamour-EyeSee-Presentations
> >>>           load : Glamour-Tests-EyeSee
> >>>           linear load : 1.0.6.1 [ConfigurationOfGrease]
> >>>               load : ConfigurationOfRefactoringBrowser
> >>>           linear load : 1.0.6.1 [ConfigurationOfGrease]
> >>>               load : Grease-Slime-lr.13
> >>>           load : Magritte-Model
> >>>           load : Magritte-Pharo-Model
> >>>           load : Magritte-Morph
> >>>           load : Glamour-Magritte-Presentations
> >>>           load : Magritte-Tests-Model
> >>>       load : GT-Playground
> >>>       load : GT-Inspector
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> Mariano
> >>> http://marianopeck.wordpress.com
> >>>
> >>
> >> --
> >> www.tudorgirba.com
> >>
> >> "Every successful trip needs a suitable vehicle."
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
> --
> www.tudorgirba.com
>
> "One cannot do more than one can do."
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
> Mariano
> http://marianopeck.wordpress.com
>

--
www.tudorgirba.com

"Every thing has its own flow."








--
Mariano
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Re: Can this be improved in Glamourous?

Tudor Girba-2
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Ok. We did it. Now, the whole Moose is unbuildable :)

The issue is that it tells us that:

*** Warning: Warning: You are about to load new versions of the following packages that have unsaved changes in the image.  If you continue, you will lose these changes.
 
    Refactoring-Tests-Core


We are loading ConfigurationOfRB stable.

Cheers,
Doru


On 16 Oct 2011, at 21:55, Tudor Girba wrote:

> Hi Marcus,
>
> Thanks for pointing it out. I had it on my to do list to update to the latest 1.3 release, but did not get around to do it. I now replaced the source image with Pharo 1.3 13307. When the new one arrives, I will update again.
>
> Cheers,
> Doru
>
>
> On 16 Oct 2011, at 21:46, Marcus Denker wrote:
>
>>
>> On Oct 15, 2011, at 11:13 PM, Stéphane Ducasse wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> On Oct 15, 2011, at 10:58 PM, Tudor Girba wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> On 15 Oct 2011, at 22:36, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi Tudor. Today I wanted to give it a try to 'GT-Inspector' 'GT-Playground'   hence I did:
>>>>
>>>> I am happy you decided to give them a try :). But, the Playground is not yet ready :).
>>>>
>>>>> (ConfigurationOfGlamoroust project version: #bleedingEdge) load: #('GT-Inspector' 'GT-Playground' ).
>>>>>
>>>>> In a Pharo 1.3 release. To my surprise, it took like half an hour to install, and it even was broken because it installed a different version of refactoring browser that is not working in 1.3.
>>>>
>>>> This is due to a broken ConfiguraitonOfRB. I would actually be very interested in a fix in this area.
>>>
>>> what is broken? because I spent one full sprint to fix it.
>>
>>
>> the fixed version needs a new Core (13315), while the Full image right now is 13307.
>> The RB between the two is not compatible.
>>
>> We need to fix the Metacello of Shout to load the latest version so we can build a Full image based
>> on 13315, this should solve some of the problems.
>>
>> Marcus
>>
>>
>> --
>> Marcus Denker -- http://marcusdenker.de
>>
>>
>
> --
> www.tudorgirba.com
>
> "To lead is not to demand things, it is to make them happen."
>
>
>

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Marcus Denker-4
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On Oct 16, 2011, at 10:00 PM, Tudor Girba wrote:

> Ok. We did it. Now, the whole Moose is unbuildable :)
>
> The issue is that it tells us that:
>
> *** Warning: Warning: You are about to load new versions of the following packages that have unsaved changes in the image.  If you continue, you will lose these changes.
>
>    Refactoring-Tests-Core
>
>
> We are loading ConfigurationOfRB stable.

We really need to make a version of everytthing based on 13315.


        Marcus

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Re: Can this be improved in Glamourous?

Tudor Girba-2
Hi,

If you give me the script, I build one based on the Core.

Cheers,
Doru


On 16 Oct 2011, at 22:05, Marcus Denker wrote:

>
> On Oct 16, 2011, at 10:00 PM, Tudor Girba wrote:
>
>> Ok. We did it. Now, the whole Moose is unbuildable :)
>>
>> The issue is that it tells us that:
>>
>> *** Warning: Warning: You are about to load new versions of the following packages that have unsaved changes in the image.  If you continue, you will lose these changes.
>>
>>   Refactoring-Tests-Core
>>
>>
>> We are loading ConfigurationOfRB stable.
>
> We really need to make a version of everytthing based on 13315.
>
>
> Marcus
>
> --
> Marcus Denker -- http://marcusdenker.de
>
>

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Re: Can this be improved in Glamourous?

Tudor Girba-2
In reply to this post by Mariano Martinez Peck
Hi Mariano,

On 16 Oct 2011, at 21:57, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote:

>
>
> On Sun, Oct 16, 2011 at 9:53 PM, Tudor Girba <[hidden email]> wrote:
> Hi Mariano,
>
> On 16 Oct 2011, at 20:39, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > On Sat, Oct 15, 2011 at 11:32 PM, Tudor Girba <[hidden email]> wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > On 15 Oct 2011, at 23:13, Stéphane Ducasse wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > On Oct 15, 2011, at 10:58 PM, Tudor Girba wrote:
> > >
> > >> Hi,
> > >>
> > >> On 15 Oct 2011, at 22:36, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> Hi Tudor. Today I wanted to give it a try to 'GT-Inspector' 'GT-Playground'   hence I did:
> > >>
> > >> I am happy you decided to give them a try :). But, the Playground is not yet ready :).
> > >>
> > >>> (ConfigurationOfGlamoroust project version: #bleedingEdge) load: #('GT-Inspector' 'GT-Playground' ).
> > >>>
> > >>> In a Pharo 1.3 release. To my surprise, it took like half an hour to install, and it even was broken because it installed a different version of refactoring browser that is not working in 1.3.
> > >>
> > >> This is due to a broken ConfiguraitonOfRB. I would actually be very interested in a fix in this area.
> > >
> > > what is broken? because I spent one full sprint to fix it.
> >
> > Actually it is not broken. Something else is broken by loading an older version somewhere in the Moose configuration. I did not have time yet.
> >
> > >>> So..can I ask.. are all of those projects really needed just for 2 simples things like a cool inspector and a cool workspace?
> > >>> do you need Nile, Grease, RefactoringBrowser, EyeSee, Magritte ???
> > >>> can I somehow just load a minimal core for those things I need ?
> > >>
> > >> These projects are loaded by the full default ConfigurationOfGlamour. The ConfigurationOfGlamour offers groups, but the GlamorousToolikt one does not yet. If someone can tell me how to do something like this, I would be happy to accommodate the solution.
> > >
> > > in the chapter on metacello groups are explained. I can send you the latest version if you want.
> >
> > I know how they work. I was actually referring to the actual code :). It is such a big mess to deal with the explosion of combinations.
> >
> >
> > Well, I guess that if you don't know then nobody knows. I mean, Moose is your project ;) you know better than us its dependencies.
>
>
> This comment was not helpful at all.
>
>
> It was not my intention to be rude. I am only saying that if you already know the tool there isn't anything I can do to help.

I did not say you were rude. I said it was not helpful.

> I am just trying to build my own image with Glamourous since I think it is an important project. All I tried to do is to give you my feedback. Unfortunately, I cannot use that image you mention because I NEED the last 1.3 stable/released image. I can use your one click image, use it 5 minutes and let it. For in order to try it for real, I need to have it in my own images.

Thanks. I understand. Now, we need to get RB stable loadable in the released image.

Cheers,
Doru


> Cheers
>
>  
> Doru
>
>
>
> > Cheers
> >
> >
> > Doru
> >
> >
> > >> Cheers,
> > >> Doru
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>> Thanks
> > >>>
> > >>> linear load :
> > >>>   linear load : baseline-0.1 [ConfigurationOfGlamoroust]
> > >>>       load : ConfigurationOfGlamour
> > >>>   atomic load : baseline-0.1 [ConfigurationOfGlamoroust]
> > >>>       linear load : default [ConfigurationOfGlamour]
> > >>>           load : ConfigurationOfEyeSee
> > >>>       linear load : default [ConfigurationOfGlamour]
> > >>>           load : ConfigurationOfGrease
> > >>>       linear load : default [ConfigurationOfGlamour]
> > >>>           load : ConfigurationOfMondrian
> > >>>       linear load : default [ConfigurationOfGlamour]
> > >>>           load : ConfigurationOfShout
> > >>>       atomic load : default [ConfigurationOfGlamour]
> > >>>           load : CollectionExtensions
> > >>>           load : Glamour-Announcements
> > >>>           load : Glamour-Helpers
> > >>>           load : Glamour-Core
> > >>>           load : Glamour-Presentations
> > >>>           load : Glamour-Browsers
> > >>>           load : Glamour-Tests-Core
> > >>>           load : Glamour-Morphic-Theme
> > >>>           load : Glamour-Examples
> > >>>           load : Glamour-Tools
> > >>>           load : Glamour-Morphic-Widgets
> > >>>           load : Glamour-Morphic-Renderer
> > >>>           load : Glamour-Tests-Morphic
> > >>>           linear load : default [ConfigurationOfMondrian]
> > >>>               load : ConfigurationOfProfStef
> > >>>           linear load : default [ConfigurationOfMondrian]
> > >>>               load : ConfigurationOfHealthReportProducer
> > >>>           linear load : default [ConfigurationOfMondrian]
> > >>>               load : ConfigurationOfShapeST80
> > >>>           atomic load : default [ConfigurationOfMondrian]
> > >>>               atomic load : 0.2-baseline [ConfigurationOfHealthReportProducer]
> > >>>                   load : HealthReportProducer
> > >>>               load : CollectionExtensions
> > >>>               load : Nile-Base
> > >>>               load : Mondrian-ComplexShape
> > >>>               load : Mondrian-Core
> > >>>               load : Mondrian-Layouts
> > >>>               load : Mondrian-Help
> > >>>               load : Mondrian-Easel
> > >>>               load : Mondrian-Pharo-Tests
> > >>>               load : Mondrian-Shapes
> > >>>               load : Mondrian-Events
> > >>>               load : Mondrian-Visitor
> > >>>               load : Mondrian-Util
> > >>>               load : Mondrian-Normalizers
> > >>>               load : Mondrian-Example
> > >>>               load : Mondrian-ShapeVisitor
> > >>>               load : Mondrian-Pharo-Morphic
> > >>>               load : Mondrian-Tests
> > >>>               load : Mondrian-FADELayout
> > >>>           load : Glamour-Mondrian-Presentations
> > >>>           load : Glamour-Tests-Mondrian
> > >>>           atomic load : default [ConfigurationOfEyeSee]
> > >>>               load : EyeSee-Events
> > >>>               load : EyeSee-Axis
> > >>>               load : EyeSee-Tests-Core
> > >>>               load : EyeSee-Support
> > >>>               load : EyeSee-Core
> > >>>           load : Glamour-EyeSee-Presentations
> > >>>           load : Glamour-Tests-EyeSee
> > >>>           linear load : 1.0.6.1 [ConfigurationOfGrease]
> > >>>               load : ConfigurationOfRefactoringBrowser
> > >>>           linear load : 1.0.6.1 [ConfigurationOfGrease]
> > >>>               load : Grease-Slime-lr.13
> > >>>           load : Magritte-Model
> > >>>           load : Magritte-Pharo-Model
> > >>>           load : Magritte-Morph
> > >>>           load : Glamour-Magritte-Presentations
> > >>>           load : Magritte-Tests-Model
> > >>>       load : GT-Playground
> > >>>       load : GT-Inspector
> > >>>
> > >>> --
> > >>> Mariano
> > >>> http://marianopeck.wordpress.com
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >> --
> > >> www.tudorgirba.com
> > >>
> > >> "Every successful trip needs a suitable vehicle."
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> >
> > --
> > www.tudorgirba.com
> >
> > "One cannot do more than one can do."
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Mariano
> > http://marianopeck.wordpress.com
> >
>
> --
> www.tudorgirba.com
>
> "Every thing has its own flow."
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
> Mariano
> http://marianopeck.wordpress.com
>

--
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Re: Can this be improved in Glamourous?

Mariano Martinez Peck


On Sun, Oct 16, 2011 at 10:10 PM, Tudor Girba <[hidden email]> wrote:
Hi Mariano,

On 16 Oct 2011, at 21:57, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote:

>
>
> On Sun, Oct 16, 2011 at 9:53 PM, Tudor Girba <[hidden email]> wrote:
> Hi Mariano,
>
> On 16 Oct 2011, at 20:39, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > On Sat, Oct 15, 2011 at 11:32 PM, Tudor Girba <[hidden email]> wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > On 15 Oct 2011, at 23:13, Stéphane Ducasse wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > On Oct 15, 2011, at 10:58 PM, Tudor Girba wrote:
> > >
> > >> Hi,
> > >>
> > >> On 15 Oct 2011, at 22:36, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> Hi Tudor. Today I wanted to give it a try to 'GT-Inspector' 'GT-Playground'   hence I did:
> > >>
> > >> I am happy you decided to give them a try :). But, the Playground is not yet ready :).
> > >>
> > >>> (ConfigurationOfGlamoroust project version: #bleedingEdge) load: #('GT-Inspector' 'GT-Playground' ).
> > >>>
> > >>> In a Pharo 1.3 release. To my surprise, it took like half an hour to install, and it even was broken because it installed a different version of refactoring browser that is not working in 1.3.
> > >>
> > >> This is due to a broken ConfiguraitonOfRB. I would actually be very interested in a fix in this area.
> > >
> > > what is broken? because I spent one full sprint to fix it.
> >
> > Actually it is not broken. Something else is broken by loading an older version somewhere in the Moose configuration. I did not have time yet.
> >
> > >>> So..can I ask.. are all of those projects really needed just for 2 simples things like a cool inspector and a cool workspace?
> > >>> do you need Nile, Grease, RefactoringBrowser, EyeSee, Magritte ???
> > >>> can I somehow just load a minimal core for those things I need ?
> > >>
> > >> These projects are loaded by the full default ConfigurationOfGlamour. The ConfigurationOfGlamour offers groups, but the GlamorousToolikt one does not yet. If someone can tell me how to do something like this, I would be happy to accommodate the solution.
> > >
> > > in the chapter on metacello groups are explained. I can send you the latest version if you want.
> >
> > I know how they work. I was actually referring to the actual code :). It is such a big mess to deal with the explosion of combinations.
> >
> >
> > Well, I guess that if you don't know then nobody knows. I mean, Moose is your project ;) you know better than us its dependencies.
>
>
> This comment was not helpful at all.
>
>
> It was not my intention to be rude. I am only saying that if you already know the tool there isn't anything I can do to help.

I did not say you were rude. I said it was not helpful.

> I am just trying to build my own image with Glamourous since I think it is an important project. All I tried to do is to give you my feedback. Unfortunately, I cannot use that image you mention because I NEED the last 1.3 stable/released image. I can use your one click image, use it 5 minutes and let it. For in order to try it for real, I need to have it in my own images.

Thanks. I understand. Now, we need to get RB stable loadable in the released image.


Stef was updating ConfigurationOfRB last sprint...maybe just updating #stable is enugh ?
 
Cheers,
Doru


> Cheers
>
>
> Doru
>
>
>
> > Cheers
> >
> >
> > Doru
> >
> >
> > >> Cheers,
> > >> Doru
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>> Thanks
> > >>>
> > >>> linear load :
> > >>>   linear load : baseline-0.1 [ConfigurationOfGlamoroust]
> > >>>       load : ConfigurationOfGlamour
> > >>>   atomic load : baseline-0.1 [ConfigurationOfGlamoroust]
> > >>>       linear load : default [ConfigurationOfGlamour]
> > >>>           load : ConfigurationOfEyeSee
> > >>>       linear load : default [ConfigurationOfGlamour]
> > >>>           load : ConfigurationOfGrease
> > >>>       linear load : default [ConfigurationOfGlamour]
> > >>>           load : ConfigurationOfMondrian
> > >>>       linear load : default [ConfigurationOfGlamour]
> > >>>           load : ConfigurationOfShout
> > >>>       atomic load : default [ConfigurationOfGlamour]
> > >>>           load : CollectionExtensions
> > >>>           load : Glamour-Announcements
> > >>>           load : Glamour-Helpers
> > >>>           load : Glamour-Core
> > >>>           load : Glamour-Presentations
> > >>>           load : Glamour-Browsers
> > >>>           load : Glamour-Tests-Core
> > >>>           load : Glamour-Morphic-Theme
> > >>>           load : Glamour-Examples
> > >>>           load : Glamour-Tools
> > >>>           load : Glamour-Morphic-Widgets
> > >>>           load : Glamour-Morphic-Renderer
> > >>>           load : Glamour-Tests-Morphic
> > >>>           linear load : default [ConfigurationOfMondrian]
> > >>>               load : ConfigurationOfProfStef
> > >>>           linear load : default [ConfigurationOfMondrian]
> > >>>               load : ConfigurationOfHealthReportProducer
> > >>>           linear load : default [ConfigurationOfMondrian]
> > >>>               load : ConfigurationOfShapeST80
> > >>>           atomic load : default [ConfigurationOfMondrian]
> > >>>               atomic load : 0.2-baseline [ConfigurationOfHealthReportProducer]
> > >>>                   load : HealthReportProducer
> > >>>               load : CollectionExtensions
> > >>>               load : Nile-Base
> > >>>               load : Mondrian-ComplexShape
> > >>>               load : Mondrian-Core
> > >>>               load : Mondrian-Layouts
> > >>>               load : Mondrian-Help
> > >>>               load : Mondrian-Easel
> > >>>               load : Mondrian-Pharo-Tests
> > >>>               load : Mondrian-Shapes
> > >>>               load : Mondrian-Events
> > >>>               load : Mondrian-Visitor
> > >>>               load : Mondrian-Util
> > >>>               load : Mondrian-Normalizers
> > >>>               load : Mondrian-Example
> > >>>               load : Mondrian-ShapeVisitor
> > >>>               load : Mondrian-Pharo-Morphic
> > >>>               load : Mondrian-Tests
> > >>>               load : Mondrian-FADELayout
> > >>>           load : Glamour-Mondrian-Presentations
> > >>>           load : Glamour-Tests-Mondrian
> > >>>           atomic load : default [ConfigurationOfEyeSee]
> > >>>               load : EyeSee-Events
> > >>>               load : EyeSee-Axis
> > >>>               load : EyeSee-Tests-Core
> > >>>               load : EyeSee-Support
> > >>>               load : EyeSee-Core
> > >>>           load : Glamour-EyeSee-Presentations
> > >>>           load : Glamour-Tests-EyeSee
> > >>>           linear load : 1.0.6.1 [ConfigurationOfGrease]
> > >>>               load : ConfigurationOfRefactoringBrowser
> > >>>           linear load : 1.0.6.1 [ConfigurationOfGrease]
> > >>>               load : Grease-Slime-lr.13
> > >>>           load : Magritte-Model
> > >>>           load : Magritte-Pharo-Model
> > >>>           load : Magritte-Morph
> > >>>           load : Glamour-Magritte-Presentations
> > >>>           load : Magritte-Tests-Model
> > >>>       load : GT-Playground
> > >>>       load : GT-Inspector
> > >>>
> > >>> --
> > >>> Mariano
> > >>> http://marianopeck.wordpress.com
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >> --
> > >> www.tudorgirba.com
> > >>
> > >> "Every successful trip needs a suitable vehicle."
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> >
> > --
> > www.tudorgirba.com
> >
> > "One cannot do more than one can do."
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Mariano
> > http://marianopeck.wordpress.com
> >
>
> --
> www.tudorgirba.com
>
> "Every thing has its own flow."
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
> Mariano
> http://marianopeck.wordpress.com
>

--
www.tudorgirba.com

"Every now and then stop and ask yourself if the war you're fighting is the right one."







--
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http://marianopeck.wordpress.com

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Re: Can this be improved in Glamourous?

Marcus Denker-4
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Hello,

Can people in general *delete* the quoted email parts to a level that one does need to scroll down 5 pages to read the answer?

I start to just delete those mails, sorry.

On Oct 16, 2011, at 10:18 PM, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote:

>
>
> On Sun, Oct 16, 2011 at 10:10 PM, Tudor Girba <[hidden email]> wrote:
> Hi Mariano,
>
> On 16 Oct 2011, at 21:57, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > On Sun, Oct 16, 2011 at 9:53 PM, Tudor Girba <[hidden email]> wrote:
> > Hi Mariano,
> >
> > On 16 Oct 2011, at 20:39, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Sat, Oct 15, 2011 at 11:32 PM, Tudor Girba <[hidden email]> wrote:
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > On 15 Oct 2011, at 23:13, Stéphane Ducasse wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > > On Oct 15, 2011, at 10:58 PM, Tudor Girba wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> Hi,
> > > >>
> > > >> On 15 Oct 2011, at 22:36, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >>> Hi Tudor. Today I wanted to give it a try to 'GT-Inspector' 'GT-Playground'   hence I did:
> > > >>
> > > >> I am happy you decided to give them a try :). But, the Playground is not yet ready :).
> > > >>
> > > >>> (ConfigurationOfGlamoroust project version: #bleedingEdge) load: #('GT-Inspector' 'GT-Playground' ).
> > > >>>
> > > >>> In a Pharo 1.3 release. To my surprise, it took like half an hour to install, and it even was broken because it installed a different version of refactoring browser that is not working in 1.3.
> > > >>
> > > >> This is due to a broken ConfiguraitonOfRB. I would actually be very interested in a fix in this area.
> > > >
> > > > what is broken? because I spent one full sprint to fix it.
> > >
> > > Actually it is not broken. Something else is broken by loading an older version somewhere in the Moose configuration. I did not have time yet.
> > >
> > > >>> So..can I ask.. are all of those projects really needed just for 2 simples things like a cool inspector and a cool workspace?
> > > >>> do you need Nile, Grease, RefactoringBrowser, EyeSee, Magritte ???
> > > >>> can I somehow just load a minimal core for those things I need ?
> > > >>
> > > >> These projects are loaded by the full default ConfigurationOfGlamour. The ConfigurationOfGlamour offers groups, but the GlamorousToolikt one does not yet. If someone can tell me how to do something like this, I would be happy to accommodate the solution.
> > > >
> > > > in the chapter on metacello groups are explained. I can send you the latest version if you want.
> > >
> > > I know how they work. I was actually referring to the actual code :). It is such a big mess to deal with the explosion of combinations.
> > >
> > >
> > > Well, I guess that if you don't know then nobody knows. I mean, Moose is your project ;) you know better than us its dependencies.
> >
> >
> > This comment was not helpful at all.
> >
> >
> > It was not my intention to be rude. I am only saying that if you already know the tool there isn't anything I can do to help.
>
> I did not say you were rude. I said it was not helpful.
>
> > I am just trying to build my own image with Glamourous since I think it is an important project. All I tried to do is to give you my feedback. Unfortunately, I cannot use that image you mention because I NEED the last 1.3 stable/released image. I can use your one click image, use it 5 minutes and let it. For in order to try it for real, I need to have it in my own images.
>
> Thanks. I understand. Now, we need to get RB stable loadable in the released image.
>
>
> Stef was updating ConfigurationOfRB last sprint...maybe just updating #stable is enugh ?
>  
> Cheers,
> Doru
>
>
> > Cheers
> >
> >
> > Doru
> >
> >
> >
> > > Cheers
> > >
> > >
> > > Doru
> > >
> > >
> > > >> Cheers,
> > > >> Doru
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>> Thanks
> > > >>>
> > > >>> linear load :
> > > >>>   linear load : baseline-0.1 [ConfigurationOfGlamoroust]
> > > >>>       load : ConfigurationOfGlamour
> > > >>>   atomic load : baseline-0.1 [ConfigurationOfGlamoroust]
> > > >>>       linear load : default [ConfigurationOfGlamour]
> > > >>>           load : ConfigurationOfEyeSee
> > > >>>       linear load : default [ConfigurationOfGlamour]
> > > >>>           load : ConfigurationOfGrease
> > > >>>       linear load : default [ConfigurationOfGlamour]
> > > >>>           load : ConfigurationOfMondrian
> > > >>>       linear load : default [ConfigurationOfGlamour]
> > > >>>           load : ConfigurationOfShout
> > > >>>       atomic load : default [ConfigurationOfGlamour]
> > > >>>           load : CollectionExtensions
> > > >>>           load : Glamour-Announcements
> > > >>>           load : Glamour-Helpers
> > > >>>           load : Glamour-Core
> > > >>>           load : Glamour-Presentations
> > > >>>           load : Glamour-Browsers
> > > >>>           load : Glamour-Tests-Core
> > > >>>           load : Glamour-Morphic-Theme
> > > >>>           load : Glamour-Examples
> > > >>>           load : Glamour-Tools
> > > >>>           load : Glamour-Morphic-Widgets
> > > >>>           load : Glamour-Morphic-Renderer
> > > >>>           load : Glamour-Tests-Morphic
> > > >>>           linear load : default [ConfigurationOfMondrian]
> > > >>>               load : ConfigurationOfProfStef
> > > >>>           linear load : default [ConfigurationOfMondrian]
> > > >>>               load : ConfigurationOfHealthReportProducer
> > > >>>           linear load : default [ConfigurationOfMondrian]
> > > >>>               load : ConfigurationOfShapeST80
> > > >>>           atomic load : default [ConfigurationOfMondrian]
> > > >>>               atomic load : 0.2-baseline [ConfigurationOfHealthReportProducer]
> > > >>>                   load : HealthReportProducer
> > > >>>               load : CollectionExtensions
> > > >>>               load : Nile-Base
> > > >>>               load : Mondrian-ComplexShape
> > > >>>               load : Mondrian-Core
> > > >>>               load : Mondrian-Layouts
> > > >>>               load : Mondrian-Help
> > > >>>               load : Mondrian-Easel
> > > >>>               load : Mondrian-Pharo-Tests
> > > >>>               load : Mondrian-Shapes
> > > >>>               load : Mondrian-Events
> > > >>>               load : Mondrian-Visitor
> > > >>>               load : Mondrian-Util
> > > >>>               load : Mondrian-Normalizers
> > > >>>               load : Mondrian-Example
> > > >>>               load : Mondrian-ShapeVisitor
> > > >>>               load : Mondrian-Pharo-Morphic
> > > >>>               load : Mondrian-Tests
> > > >>>               load : Mondrian-FADELayout
> > > >>>           load : Glamour-Mondrian-Presentations
> > > >>>           load : Glamour-Tests-Mondrian
> > > >>>           atomic load : default [ConfigurationOfEyeSee]
> > > >>>               load : EyeSee-Events
> > > >>>               load : EyeSee-Axis
> > > >>>               load : EyeSee-Tests-Core
> > > >>>               load : EyeSee-Support
> > > >>>               load : EyeSee-Core
> > > >>>           load : Glamour-EyeSee-Presentations
> > > >>>           load : Glamour-Tests-EyeSee
> > > >>>           linear load : 1.0.6.1 [ConfigurationOfGrease]
> > > >>>               load : ConfigurationOfRefactoringBrowser
> > > >>>           linear load : 1.0.6.1 [ConfigurationOfGrease]
> > > >>>               load : Grease-Slime-lr.13
> > > >>>           load : Magritte-Model
> > > >>>           load : Magritte-Pharo-Model
> > > >>>           load : Magritte-Morph
> > > >>>           load : Glamour-Magritte-Presentations
> > > >>>           load : Magritte-Tests-Model
> > > >>>       load : GT-Playground
> > > >>>       load : GT-Inspector
> > > >>>
> > > >>> --
> > > >>> Mariano
> > > >>> http://marianopeck.wordpress.com
> > > >>>
> > > >>
> > > >> --
> > > >> www.tudorgirba.com
> > > >>
> > > >> "Every successful trip needs a suitable vehicle."
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > www.tudorgirba.com
> > >
> > > "One cannot do more than one can do."
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Mariano
> > > http://marianopeck.wordpress.com
> > >
> >
> > --
> > www.tudorgirba.com
> >
> > "Every thing has its own flow."
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Mariano
> > http://marianopeck.wordpress.com
> >
>
> --
> www.tudorgirba.com
>
> "Every now and then stop and ask yourself if the war you're fighting is the right one."
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
> Mariano
> http://marianopeck.wordpress.com
>

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