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Maybe I should say additionally, the used operating system is Microsoft Windows XP.
Hello, we are looking for a working Capture & Replay tool for VisualWorks. We have tested several products, but not one accords our expectations. All of them are simply not working. This C&R tool should support us by our regression tests. It must handle user actions and input. Can anyone here recommend a Capture & Replay product or report from his experiences? Thank you for your support. Best regards, Tom Grünewald ________ Carl Zeiss Industrielle Messtechnik GmbH/Industrial Metrology Softwareentwicklung/Software Development T o m G r ü n e w a l d [hidden email] http://www.zeiss.de/imt Carl Zeiss Industrielle Messtechnik GmbH Carl-Zeiss-Straße 22, 73447 Oberkochen Aufsichtsratsvorsitzender: Dr. Dieter Kurz Geschäftsführer: Dr. Rainer Ohnheiser Sitz der Gesellschaft: 73446 Oberkochen, Deutschland Amtsgericht Ulm, HRB 501561, USt-IdNr.: DE 811 515 346 |
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Hello Steve.
I did not do the tests by myself. So I cannot say exactly where the problems are. But it seems that the tools fail to find the window handle. Or something like that. Best regards, Tom Grünewald ________ Carl Zeiss Industrielle Messtechnik GmbH/Industrial Metrology Softwareentwicklung/Software Development T o m G r ü n e w a l d Telefon/Phone +49 73 64 20-85 41 Fax: +49 73 64 20-48 00 [hidden email] http://www.zeiss.de/imt Carl Zeiss Industrielle Messtechnik GmbH Carl-Zeiss-Straße 22, 73447 Oberkochen Aufsichtsratsvorsitzender: Dr. Dieter Kurz Geschäftsführer: Dr. Rainer Ohnheiser Sitz der Gesellschaft: 73446 Oberkochen, Deutschland Amtsgericht Ulm, HRB 501561, USt-IdNr.: DE 811 515 346  "Steven Kelly" <[hidden email]>
Hello Tom, It would be great if you could post the names of the products you tested, and what areas you found were problematic with them. Were these tools within VisualWorks, or 3rd party tools for testing any Windows application? I'd imagine the latter might have difficulty with the fact that VW doesn't use native widgets. We've not found a capture and replay tool that we liked. We didn't try many, just one or two quite a few years ago, because we decided we didn't want our tests to be based too much on the exact user interface. We've had good results for our own needs with normal non-UI SUnit tests for most things, and some VWUnit UI tests for special cases. The latter is in the public Store, but does require non-trivial programming for each test, rather than simply capture and replay. All the best, Steve[hidden email]
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Desar
Mr. Grünewald,
you
should try SilverMark Test Mentor. It is implemented in Smalltalk. By this
you can can test on a completely different level than by the external tools you
mention.
You'll
find an evaluation version on your Cincom Smalltalk CD. Licenses you can obtain
through Cincom.
HTH
Helge
Nowak
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Dear Mr. Jordahl,
I tested the product Helge mentions. It seems to work ok. I could mix mouse/keyboard recorded test with Smalltalk code. The problem with using the other testing tools you mention is that they base their recording on mouse clicks on detecting events sent to native widgets. VisualWorks emulates the GUI, so basically there is only one graphical pane per application window. This is one of the disadvantages of emulated widgets, there are advantages too. Soon, VisualWorks gets a new GUI framework (Widgetry). Test Mentor will not work with this framework unless the product is updated. Runar Jordahl |
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Widgetry is the release name of what formerly was known as Panda which
contains Pollock as the base GUI framework.
We are
aiming at delivering this with the next major version of Cincom Smalltalk
VisualWorks.
Sames,
please correct me if I messed up the details!
Cheers
Helge
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In reply to this post by Gruenewald, Tom
Widgetry is the product name for the project that
we have been calling Pollock internally. We will ship Widgetry as a supported GUI framework in the next major release of Cincom Smalltalk - but note that we have not scheduled that release yet. We are engaged in planning meetings this week, and we are truing to nail down specific release requirements and timing At 10:08 AM 3/7/2007, you wrote: >Dear Mr. Jordahl, >thank you for your respondence. > > >> Soon, VisualWorks gets a new GUI framework (Widgetry). > >What VisualWorks project do you talking about? >Can you (or someone else) please define "soon"? >Next quarter, next year or the next ice age? :-) > >Best regards, >Tom Grünewald > >________ > >Carl Zeiss >Industrielle Messtechnik GmbH/Industrial Metrology >Softwareentwicklung/Software Development > >T o m G r ü n e w a l d > >Telefon/Phone +49 73 64 20-85 41 >Fax: +49 73 64 20-48 00 ><mailto:[hidden email]>mailto:[hidden email] >http://www.zeiss.de/imt > >Carl Zeiss Industrielle Messtechnik GmbH >Carl-Zeiss-Straße 22, 73447 Oberkochen >Aufsichtsratsvorsitzender: Dr. Dieter Kurz >Geschäftsführer: Dr. Rainer Ohnheiser >Sitz der Gesellschaft: 73446 Oberkochen, Deutschland >Amtsgericht Ulm, HRB 501561, USt-IdNr.: DE 811 515 346 > >Inactive hide details for "Runar Jordahl" <runar.j >"Runar Jordahl" <[hidden email]> > >"Runar Jordahl" ><[hidden email]> Gesendet von: [hidden email] > >07.03.2007 14:50 >[] > >An >[] > >"Gruenewald, Tom" <[hidden email]> >[] > >Kopie >[] > >[hidden email], "Steven Kelly" <[hidden email]> >[] > >Thema >[] > >Re: Capture & Replay Tools for VisualWorks >[] >[] > > >I tested the product Helge mentions. It seems to >work ok. I could mix mouse/keyboard recorded test with Smalltalk code. >The problem with using the other testing tools >you mention is that they base their recording on >mouse clicks on detecting events sent to native >widgets. VisualWorks emulates the GUI, so >basically there is only one graphical pane per >application window. This is one of the >disadvantages of emulated widgets, there are advantages too. >Soon, VisualWorks gets a new GUI framework >(Widgetry). Test Mentor will not work with this >framework unless the product is updated. > >Runar Jordahl > James Robertson, Product Manager, Cincom Smalltalk http://www.cincomsmalltalk.com/blog/blogView |
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