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Peter Uhnak

Changes Browser is broken

Today I learned that you can actually lose code in Pharo because the record is not always added to the changes file.

Also using the tool is quite a lot of pain, so if you want to recover your changes you have to do a lot of archaeology.

I've added several issues and marked most of them as '2 - Really Important', because I think they are (especially for students etc that like to break things), but maybe you don't want it for Pharo 5.

https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/17840/ChangesBrowser-selectAll-DNU

https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/17841/Creating-a-class-from-a-debugger-during-compilation-doesn-t-create-a-record-in-changes-file

https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/17842/Recover-lost-changes-doesn-t-recover-class-creation

https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/17843/Changes-Browser-doesn-t-recover-changes-in-correct-order

Peter

Ben Coman

Re: Changes Browser is broken

I hadn't used Recover Changes for a while, but recently found that it
had lost a lot of power. Particularly not being able to filter to
show only the most recent updates. Its tedious to manually search for
the latest version of several methods.

cheers -ben

On Fri, Mar 18, 2016 at 6:30 AM, Peter Uhnák <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Today I learned that you can actually lose code in Pharo because the record
> is not always added to the changes file.
>
> Also using the tool is quite a lot of pain, so if you want to recover your
> changes you have to do a lot of archaeology.
>
> I've added several issues and marked most of them as '2 - Really Important',
> because I think they are (especially for students etc that like to break
> things), but maybe you don't want it for Pharo 5.
>
> https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/17840/ChangesBrowser-selectAll-DNU
> https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/17841/Creating-a-class-from-a-debugger-during-compilation-doesn-t-create-a-record-in-changes-file
> https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/17842/Recover-lost-changes-doesn-t-recover-class-creation
> https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/17843/Changes-Browser-doesn-t-recover-changes-in-correct-order
>
> Peter
>
>

stepharo

Re: Changes Browser is broken

Yes because we have epicea to replace it but epicea shows us some nice
bugs underneath.
So we decided to postpone.
Now this is just that maintaining two systems is always a pain and we
are sorry.

Stef

Le 18/3/16 00:33, Ben Coman a écrit :

> I hadn't used Recover Changes for a while, but recently found that it
> had lost a lot of power. Particularly not being able to filter to
> show only the most recent updates. Its tedious to manually search for
> the latest version of several methods.
>
> cheers -ben
>
> On Fri, Mar 18, 2016 at 6:30 AM, Peter Uhnák <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> Today I learned that you can actually lose code in Pharo because the record
>> is not always added to the changes file.
>>
>> Also using the tool is quite a lot of pain, so if you want to recover your
>> changes you have to do a lot of archaeology.
>>
>> I've added several issues and marked most of them as '2 - Really Important',
>> because I think they are (especially for students etc that like to break
>> things), but maybe you don't want it for Pharo 5.
>>
>> https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/17840/ChangesBrowser-selectAll-DNU
>> https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/17841/Creating-a-class-from-a-debugger-during-compilation-doesn-t-create-a-record-in-changes-file
>> https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/17842/Recover-lost-changes-doesn-t-recover-class-creation
>> https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/17843/Changes-Browser-doesn-t-recover-changes-in-correct-order
>>
>> Peter
>>
>>
>

stepharo

Re: Changes Browser is broken

In reply to this post by Peter Uhnak

thanks for the report.
We should fix them.
We can try to fix one together today.

Le 17/3/16 23:30, Peter Uhnák a écrit :

> Today I learned that you can actually lose code in Pharo because the
> record is not always added to the changes file.
>
> Also using the tool is quite a lot of pain, so if you want to recover
> your changes you have to do a lot of archaeology.
>
> I've added several issues and marked most of them as '2 - Really
> Important', because I think they are (especially for students etc that
> like to break things), but maybe you don't want it for Pharo 5.
>
> https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/17840/ChangesBrowser-selectAll-DNU
> https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/17841/Creating-a-class-from-a-debugger-during-compilation-doesn-t-create-a-record-in-changes-file
> https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/17842/Recover-lost-changes-doesn-t-recover-class-creation
> https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/17843/Changes-Browser-doesn-t-recover-changes-in-correct-order
>
> Peter
>
>

SergeStinckwich

Re: Changes Browser is broken

In reply to this post by stepharo

On Fri, Mar 18, 2016 at 7:45 AM, stepharo <[hidden email]> wrote:
> Yes because we have epicea to replace it but epicea shows us some nice bugs
> underneath.
> So we decided to postpone.

Postpone after 5.0 ?

--
Serge Stinckwich
UCBN & UMI UMMISCO 209 (IRD/UPMC)
Every DSL ends up being Smalltalk
http://www.doesnotunderstand.org/

EstebanLM

Re: Changes Browser is broken

yes, Epicea will be integrated “first week of Pharo 6”, so we can iterate and fix :)

> On 18 Mar 2016, at 08:52, Serge Stinckwich <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> On Fri, Mar 18, 2016 at 7:45 AM, stepharo <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> Yes because we have epicea to replace it but epicea shows us some nice bugs
>> underneath.
>> So we decided to postpone.
>
> Postpone after 5.0 ?
>
> --
> Serge Stinckwich
> UCBN & UMI UMMISCO 209 (IRD/UPMC)
> Every DSL ends up being Smalltalk
> http://www.doesnotunderstand.org/
>

Peter Uhnak

Re: Changes Browser is broken

On Fri, Mar 18, 2016 at 8:58 AM, Esteban Lorenzano <[hidden email]> wrote:

yes, Epicea will be integrated “first week of Pharo 6”, so we can iterate and

Well we still need to fix it, we can't leave Pharo 5 for a year without a proper recovery.

We'll try to fix something today with Stef.

Peter

Peter Uhnak

Re: Changes Browser is broken

12 hours later all the bugs are fixed.

And that's why I love Pharo and everyone here. :)

Thanks!

On Fri, Mar 18, 2016 at 10:53 AM, Peter Uhnák <[hidden email]> wrote:

On Fri, Mar 18, 2016 at 8:58 AM, Esteban Lorenzano <[hidden email]> wrote:
yes, Epicea will be integrated “first week of Pharo 6”, so we can iterate and

Well we still need to fix it, we can't leave Pharo 5 for a year without a proper recovery.
We'll try to fix something today with Stef.

Peter

Sven Van Caekenberghe-2

Re: Changes Browser is broken

THANK YOU !!

(but you had a secret French special agent, right ;-)

> On 18 Mar 2016, at 12:26, Peter Uhnák <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> 12 hours later all the bugs are fixed.
>
> And that's why I love Pharo and everyone here. :)
>
> Thanks!
>
> On Fri, Mar 18, 2016 at 10:53 AM, Peter Uhnák <[hidden email]> wrote:
> On Fri, Mar 18, 2016 at 8:58 AM, Esteban Lorenzano <[hidden email]> wrote:
> yes, Epicea will be integrated “first week of Pharo 6”, so we can iterate and
>
> Well we still need to fix it, we can't leave Pharo 5 for a year without a proper recovery.
> We'll try to fix something today with Stef.
>
> Peter
>

Peter Uhnak

Re: Changes Browser is broken

Actually the thanks here goes to Latsabben ( that fixed most of it before I could even start looking at the code. :)

Peter

On Fri, Mar 18, 2016 at 12:30 PM, Sven Van Caekenberghe <[hidden email]> wrote:

THANK YOU !!

(but you had a secret French special agent, right ;-)

> On 18 Mar 2016, at 12:26, Peter Uhnák <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> 12 hours later all the bugs are fixed.
>
> And that's why I love Pharo and everyone here. :)
>
> Thanks!
>
> On Fri, Mar 18, 2016 at 10:53 AM, Peter Uhnák <[hidden email]> wrote:
> On Fri, Mar 18, 2016 at 8:58 AM, Esteban Lorenzano <[hidden email]> wrote:
> yes, Epicea will be integrated “first week of Pharo 6”, so we can iterate and
>
> Well we still need to fix it, we can't leave Pharo 5 for a year without a proper recovery.
> We'll try to fix something today with Stef.
>
> Peter
>

Sven Van Caekenberghe-2

Re: Changes Browser is broken

Ah, that is a secret Norwegian agent !

> On 18 Mar 2016, at 12:34, Peter Uhnák <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> Actually the thanks here goes to Latsabben ( that fixed most of it before I could even start looking at the code. :)
>
> Peter
>
> On Fri, Mar 18, 2016 at 12:30 PM, Sven Van Caekenberghe <[hidden email]> wrote:
> THANK YOU !!
>
> (but you had a secret French special agent, right ;-)
>
> > On 18 Mar 2016, at 12:26, Peter Uhnák <[hidden email]> wrote:
> >
> > 12 hours later all the bugs are fixed.
> >
> > And that's why I love Pharo and everyone here. :)
> >
> > Thanks!
> >
> > On Fri, Mar 18, 2016 at 10:53 AM, Peter Uhnák <[hidden email]> wrote:
> > On Fri, Mar 18, 2016 at 8:58 AM, Esteban Lorenzano <[hidden email]> wrote:
> > yes, Epicea will be integrated “first week of Pharo 6”, so we can iterate and
> >
> > Well we still need to fix it, we can't leave Pharo 5 for a year without a proper recovery.
> > We'll try to fix something today with Stef.
> >
> > Peter
> >
>
>
>

stepharo

Re: Changes Browser is broken

In reply to this post by Peter Uhnak

Thanks henrik you were faster than us...
I had to finish an exercise for the mooc.

Stef

Le 18/3/16 10:53, Peter Uhnák a écrit :

On Fri, Mar 18, 2016 at 8:58 AM, Esteban Lorenzano <[hidden email]> wrote:

yes, Epicea will be integrated “first week of Pharo 6”, so we can iterate and

Well we still need to fix it, we can't leave Pharo 5 for a year without a proper recovery.

We'll try to fix something today with Stef.

Peter

Eliot Miranda-2

Re: Changes Browser is broken

In reply to this post by Ben Coman

Hi

> On Mar 17, 2016, at 4:33 PM, Ben Coman <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> I hadn't used Recover Changes for a while, but recently found that it
> had lost a lot of power. Particularly not being able to filter to
> show only the most recent updates. Its tedious to manually search for
> the latest version of several methods.

Also the middle button menu in the change list (which can also be used to import source files) has been reduced to just two items, rendering the tool much less powerful. A colleague and I were importing code from squeak the other day and were missing "select unchanged definitions", and others. Watching my colleague use the tool manually was painful. Someone should really put this functionality back. Look at the squeak tool for the most immediate reference. Look at VisualWorks for something more powerful still.

Don't let it be said of Pharo:

Don't it always seem to go
That you don't know what you've got
Til its gone
They paved paradise
And put up a parking lot

;-)

_,,,^..^,,,_ (phone)
Eliot

>
> cheers -ben
>
>> On Fri, Mar 18, 2016 at 6:30 AM, Peter Uhnák <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> Today I learned that you can actually lose code in Pharo because the record
>> is not always added to the changes file.
>>
>> Also using the tool is quite a lot of pain, so if you want to recover your
>> changes you have to do a lot of archaeology.
>>
>> I've added several issues and marked most of them as '2 - Really Important',
>> because I think they are (especially for students etc that like to break
>> things), but maybe you don't want it for Pharo 5.
>>
>> https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/17840/ChangesBrowser-selectAll-DNU
>> https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/17841/Creating-a-class-from-a-debugger-during-compilation-doesn-t-create-a-record-in-changes-file
>> https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/17842/Recover-lost-changes-doesn-t-recover-class-creation
>> https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/17843/Changes-Browser-doesn-t-recover-changes-in-correct-order
>>
>> Peter
>

stepharo

Re: Changes Browser is broken

In reply to this post by Sven Van Caekenberghe-2

> Ah, that is a secret Norwegian agent !

Yes the french spies is unsharpen these days working on mooc (yes again
continuously and teaching)

>
>> On 18 Mar 2016, at 12:34, Peter Uhnák <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> Actually the thanks here goes to Latsabben ( that fixed most of it before I could even start looking at the code. :)
>>
>> Peter
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 18, 2016 at 12:30 PM, Sven Van Caekenberghe <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> THANK YOU !!
>>
>> (but you had a secret French special agent, right ;-)
>>
>>> On 18 Mar 2016, at 12:26, Peter Uhnák <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>
>>> 12 hours later all the bugs are fixed.
>>>
>>> And that's why I love Pharo and everyone here. :)
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>>
>>> On Fri, Mar 18, 2016 at 10:53 AM, Peter Uhnák <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>> On Fri, Mar 18, 2016 at 8:58 AM, Esteban Lorenzano <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>> yes, Epicea will be integrated “first week of Pharo 6”, so we can iterate and
>>>
>>> Well we still need to fix it, we can't leave Pharo 5 for a year without a proper recovery.
>>> We'll try to fix something today with Stef.
>>>
>>> Peter
>>>
>>
>>
>
>