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stepharo

Cleaning/Simplifying Nautilus

Hi

I want to clean Nautilus and to simplify its code and functionality.
In addition I want to reduce to student load in the context of the Mooc
we will start to work on.
So I want to remove the lock mechanism and the multiple methods. This
was an experience that did not
really work. It was nice to try but it is time to remove that.
So I hope that not many people use this feature.

https://pharo.fogbugz.com/default.asp?15199

After I will start to clean the group to keep a consistent and useful
subset.

Stef

Nicolai Hess

Re: [Pharo-dev] Cleaning/Simplifying Nautilus

2015-03-21 23:02 GMT+01:00 stepharo <[hidden email]>:

Hi

I want to clean Nautilus and to simplify its code and functionality.
In addition I want to reduce to student load in the context of the Mooc we will start to work on.
So I want to remove the lock mechanism and the multiple methods. This was an experience that did not
really work. It was nice to try but it is time to remove that.

+1 (I never understood how to use this lock)

So I hope that not many people use this feature.

https://pharo.fogbugz.com/default.asp?15199

After I will start to clean the group to keep a consistent and useful subset.

Stef

Sven Van Caekenberghe-2

Re: [Pharo-dev] Cleaning/Simplifying Nautilus

But seriously, for 4.0 ?
Now ?

> On 22 Mar 2015, at 00:04, Nicolai Hess <[hidden email]> wrote:
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> 2015-03-21 23:02 GMT+01:00 stepharo <[hidden email]>:
> Hi
>
> I want to clean Nautilus and to simplify its code and functionality.
> In addition I want to reduce to student load in the context of the Mooc we will start to work on.
> So I want to remove the lock mechanism and the multiple methods. This was an experience that did not
> really work. It was nice to try but it is time to remove that.
>
> +1 (I never understood how to use this lock)
>
>
>
> So I hope that not many people use this feature.
>
> https://pharo.fogbugz.com/default.asp?15199
>
> After I will start to clean the group to keep a consistent and useful subset.
>
> Stef
>
>
>

Marcus Denker-4

Re: [Pharo-dev] Cleaning/Simplifying Nautilus

> On 22 Mar 2015, at 00:31, Sven Van Caekenberghe <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> But seriously, for 4.0 ?
> Now ?
>

No, for Pharo5 of course. If you check the issue, it has explicit the Milestone “Later”.

For Pharo4, we need to be careful: there are still 57 open issues, and it will be a challenge
to fix them in one week…

Marcus

stepharo

Re: [Pharo-dev] Cleaning/Simplifying Nautilus

In reply to this post by Sven Van Caekenberghe-2

As soon as Pharo 5.0 is out it will get in :)
Again we will do videos and I do not want to have to work at that time
on it.

We will have to fix all the shortcuts also because we still have
Cmd + m and Cmd b+m

;)

Marcus Denker-4

Re: [Pharo-dev] Cleaning/Simplifying Nautilus

> On 22 Mar 2015, at 08:27, stepharo <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> As soon as Pharo 5.0 is out it will get in :)
> Again we will do videos and I do not want to have to work at that time on it.
>

Yes, but of course Pharo will change in the future… the idea that it will stay
as it is now should not be the goal...

> We will have to fix all the shortcuts also because we still have
> Cmd + m and Cmd b+m
>
Yes, for Pharo5 we need to tackle the shortcut - unification.

Marcus

Ben Coman

Re: [Pharo-dev] Cleaning/Simplifying Nautilus

In reply to this post by stepharo

On Sun, Mar 22, 2015 at 3:27 PM, stepharo <[hidden email]> wrote:

As soon as Pharo 5.0 is out it will get in :)
Again we will do videos and I do not want to have to work at that time on it.

We will have to fix all the shortcuts also because we still have
Cmd + m and Cmd b+m

;)

I'm presuming you mean its a problem having both, and I guess the move is towards having only the double-keypress? I'm going to overreact here and say DO NOT REMOVE SINGLE KEYPRESS #IMPLEMENTORS.

So what actually is the plan here? Obviously there are different contexts (Browser Navigation; Browser Code Pane; Workspace/Playground; Debugger). Single-keypress-implementors is gone from Browser Navigation. Where else would consider eliminating single-keypress-implementors?

Maybe its a very personal thing, but I still need to be convinced that double key combinations works better. I'm living with it, but it occurred to me recently that I'm using the mouse to select from menus more than I used to, and this seems a cause. Maybe I'm just slow to adapt and remember the double keypress combinations. This would be a particularly good area to gather some instrumented user UI data.

Also, remind me what was the driver for double-keypress?

cheers -ben

Marcus Denker-4

Re: [Pharo-dev] Cleaning/Simplifying Nautilus

On 22 Mar 2015, at 13:49, Ben Coman <[hidden email]> wrote:

On Sun, Mar 22, 2015 at 3:27 PM, stepharo <[hidden email]> wrote:
As soon as Pharo 5.0 is out it will get in :)
Again we will do videos and I do not want to have to work at that time on it.

We will have to fix all the shortcuts also because we still have
Cmd + m and Cmd b+m

;)

I'm presuming you mean its a problem having both, and I guess the move is towards having only the double-keypress? I'm going to overreact here and say DO NOT REMOVE SINGLE KEYPRESS #IMPLEMENTORS.

I personally would even go back to the single key press ones...

But lets discuss that *after* we finish the release… ;-)

Marcus

stepharo

Re: [Pharo-dev] Cleaning/Simplifying Nautilus

On Sun, Mar 22, 2015 at 3:27 PM, stepharo <[hidden email]> wrote:

As soon as Pharo 5.0 is out it will get in :)
Again we will do videos and I do not want to have to work at that time on it.

We will have to fix all the shortcuts also because we still have
Cmd + m and Cmd b+m

;)

I'm presuming you mean its a problem having both, and I guess the move is towards having only the double-keypress? I'm going to overreact here and say DO NOT REMOVE SINGLE KEYPRESS #IMPLEMENTORS.

I do not have any preconceived point of view except that this is plain bad to have two differents and inconsistent ways.
If cmd M would work in addition to cmd b + M why not but this exclusive behavior is terrible.

I personally would even go back to the single key press ones...

But lets discuss that *after* we finish the release… ;-)

Yes.

Sean P. DeNigris

Re: [Pharo-dev] Cleaning/Simplifying Nautilus

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In reply to this post by Marcus Denker-4

Marcus Denker-4 wrote

I personally would even go back to the single key press ones...

But lets discuss that *after* we finish the release… ;-)

+1 to both

Cheers,
Sean