Code Freeze 1.1?

> Hi,
>
> Now with 1.0 done, I think we should think about freezing 1.1.
>
> The main reason of course is that 1.1 is *far more pleasent* to use  
> than 1.0. The other
> thing is that 1.1 did change quite some things that have impact on  
> external code (Preferences,
> as an example).
>
> So I think we should
>
> -> start slowing down on 1.1 (Stef suggested that already)
> -> start polishing   (tests...)
> -> start to look at the Dev image.
> -> Official code freeze end of March.
> -> Release if possible end of April (this of course depends on the  
> state of things).
>
>
> Any reasons against?
>
>
> Marcus
>
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> Cheers,
> Doru
>
>
> On 16 Mar 2010, at 10:19, Marcus Denker wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> Now with 1.0 done, I think we should think about freezing 1.1.
>>
>> The main reason of course is that 1.1 is *far more pleasent* to use than 1.0. The other
>> thing is that 1.1 did change quite some things that have impact on external code (Preferences,
>> as an example).
>>
>> So I think we should
>>
>> -> start slowing down on 1.1 (Stef suggested that already)
>> -> start polishing   (tests...)
>> -> start to look at the Dev image.
>> -> Official code freeze end of March.
>> -> Release if possible end of April (this of course depends on the state of things).
>>
>>
>> Any reasons against?
>>
>>
>> Marcus
>>
>>
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> On Mar 16, 2010, at 10:40 AM, Tudor Girba wrote:
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>> Hi,
>>
>> Is 1.0 already released?
>>
> Not yet, but we hope that RC3 is the last...
>
> Marcus
>
>
>
>> Cheers,
>> Doru
>>
>>
>> On 16 Mar 2010, at 10:19, Marcus Denker wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> Now with 1.0 done, I think we should think about freezing 1.1.
>>>
>>> The main reason of course is that 1.1 is *far more pleasent* to  
>>> use than 1.0. The other
>>> thing is that 1.1 did change quite some things that have impact on  
>>> external code (Preferences,
>>> as an example).
>>>
>>> So I think we should
>>>
>>> -> start slowing down on 1.1 (Stef suggested that already)
>>> -> start polishing   (tests...)
>>> -> start to look at the Dev image.
>>> -> Official code freeze end of March.
>>> -> Release if possible end of April (this of course depends on  
>>> the state of things).
>>>
>>>
>>> Any reasons against?
>>>
>>>
>>> Marcus
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Marcus Denker  -- http://www.marcusdenker.de
>>> INRIA Lille -- Nord Europe. Team RMoD.
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> Cheers,
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> On 16 Mar 2010, at 10:42, Marcus Denker wrote:
>
>>
>> On Mar 16, 2010, at 10:40 AM, Tudor Girba wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> Is 1.0 already released?
>>>
>> Not yet, but we hope that RC3 is the last...
>>
>>        Marcus
>>
>>
>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Doru
>>>
>>>
>>> On 16 Mar 2010, at 10:19, Marcus Denker wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> Now with 1.0 done, I think we should think about freezing 1.1.
>>>>
>>>> The main reason of course is that 1.1 is *far more pleasent* to use than
>>>> 1.0. The other
>>>> thing is that 1.1 did change quite some things that have impact on
>>>> external code (Preferences,
>>>> as an example).
>>>>
>>>> So I think we should
>>>>
>>>>        -> start slowing down on 1.1 (Stef suggested that already)
>>>>        -> start polishing   (tests...)
>>>>        -> start to look at the Dev image.
>>>>        -> Official code freeze end of March.
>>>>        -> Release if possible end of April (this of course depends on
>>>> the state of things).
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Any reasons against?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>        Marcus
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>> INRIA Lille -- Nord Europe. Team RMoD.
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> I do not see it from the website. Where can I get it from?
>
> Cheers,
> Doru
>
>
> On 16 Mar 2010, at 10:42, Marcus Denker wrote:
>
>>
>> On Mar 16, 2010, at 10:40 AM, Tudor Girba wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> Is 1.0 already released?
>>>
>> Not yet, but we hope that RC3 is the last...
>>
>> Marcus
>>
>>
>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Doru
>>>
>>>
>>> On 16 Mar 2010, at 10:19, Marcus Denker wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> Now with 1.0 done, I think we should think about freezing 1.1.
>>>>
>>>> The main reason of course is that 1.1 is *far more pleasent* to  
>>>> use than 1.0. The other
>>>> thing is that 1.1 did change quite some things that have impact  
>>>> on external code (Preferences,
>>>> as an example).
>>>>
>>>> So I think we should
>>>>
>>>> -> start slowing down on 1.1 (Stef suggested that already)
>>>> -> start polishing   (tests...)
>>>> -> start to look at the Dev image.
>>>> -> Official code freeze end of March.
>>>> -> Release if possible end of April (this of course depends on  
>>>> the state of things).
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Any reasons against?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Marcus
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
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>>>> INRIA Lille -- Nord Europe. Team RMoD.
>>>>
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>>> "From an abstract enough point of view, any two things are similar."
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> Hi,
>
> Now with 1.0 done, I think we should think about freezing 1.1.
>
> The main reason of course is that 1.1 is *far more pleasent* to use than 1.0. The other
> thing is that 1.1 did change quite some things that have impact on external code (Preferences,
> as an example).
>
> So I think we should
>
> -> start slowing down on 1.1 (Stef suggested that already)
> -> start polishing   (tests...)
> -> start to look at the Dev image.
> -> Official code freeze end of March.
> -> Release if possible end of April (this of course depends on the state of things).
>
>
> Any reasons against?
>
>
> Marcus
>
>
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> INRIA Lille -- Nord Europe. Team RMoD.
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> + 1
> end of march for a code freeze would be great.
> Stef
>
>
> On Mar 16, 2010, at 10:19 AM, Marcus Denker wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> Now with 1.0 done, I think we should think about freezing 1.1.
>>
>> The main reason of course is that 1.1 is *far more pleasent* to use  
>> than 1.0. The other
>> thing is that 1.1 did change quite some things that have impact on  
>> external code (Preferences,
>> as an example).
>>
>> So I think we should
>>
>> -> start slowing down on 1.1 (Stef suggested that already)
>> -> start polishing   (tests...)
>> -> start to look at the Dev image.
>> -> Official code freeze end of March.
>> -> Release if possible end of April (this of course depends on the  
>> state of things).
>>
>>
>> Any reasons against?
>>
>>
>> Marcus
>>
>>
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>> INRIA Lille -- Nord Europe. Team RMoD.
>>
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> Moose, including Mondrian and Spy load well in Pharo 1.1. No big effort were needed for this.
> I haven't seen that many problems in porting applications to 1.1.
>
> The only thing I bumped into so far, are initialExtent (but apparently this was fixed) and tool registration.
>
> Alexandre
>
>
> On 16 Mar 2010, at 07:50, Stéphane Ducasse wrote:
>
>> + 1
>> end of march for a code freeze would be great.
>> Stef
>>
>>
>> On Mar 16, 2010, at 10:19 AM, Marcus Denker wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> Now with 1.0 done, I think we should think about freezing 1.1.
>>>
>>> The main reason of course is that 1.1 is *far more pleasent* to use than 1.0. The other
>>> thing is that 1.1 did change quite some things that have impact on external code (Preferences,
>>> as an example).
>>>
>>> So I think we should
>>>
>>> -> start slowing down on 1.1 (Stef suggested that already)
>>> -> start polishing   (tests...)
>>> -> start to look at the Dev image.
>>> -> Official code freeze end of March.
>>> -> Release if possible end of April (this of course depends on the state of things).
>>>
>>>
>>> Any reasons against?
>>>
>>>
>>> Marcus
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Marcus Denker  -- http://www.marcusdenker.de
>>> INRIA Lille -- Nord Europe. Team RMoD.
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> - MethodProperties removal
> - Underscore assignement
> - Network :P
>
> Obviously, the tests were hard to run without a network, some of the Collection tests seemed to run excessively long as well (in that I alt-. before they finished).
>
> There's also the Preferences deprecation, which is bound to cause some work.
>
> Cheers,
> Henry
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> On Mar 16, 2010, at 2:10 39PM, Alexandre Bergel wrote:
>
>> Moose, including Mondrian and Spy load well in Pharo 1.1. No big effort were needed for this.
>> I haven't seen that many problems in porting applications to 1.1.
>>
>> The only thing I bumped into so far, are initialExtent (but apparently this was fixed) and tool registration.
>>
>> Alexandre
>>
>>
>> On 16 Mar 2010, at 07:50, Stéphane Ducasse wrote:
>>
>>> + 1
>>> end of march for a code freeze would be great.
>>> Stef
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mar 16, 2010, at 10:19 AM, Marcus Denker wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> Now with 1.0 done, I think we should think about freezing 1.1.
>>>>
>>>> The main reason of course is that 1.1 is *far more pleasent* to use than 1.0. The other
>>>> thing is that 1.1 did change quite some things that have impact on external code (Preferences,
>>>> as an example).
>>>>
>>>> So I think we should
>>>>
>>>> -> start slowing down on 1.1 (Stef suggested that already)
>>>> -> start polishing   (tests...)
>>>> -> start to look at the Dev image.
>>>> -> Official code freeze end of March.
>>>> -> Release if possible end of April (this of course depends on the state of things).
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Any reasons against?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Marcus
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
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>>>> INRIA Lille -- Nord Europe. Team RMoD.
>>>>
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> Hi,
>
> Now with 1.0 done, I think we should think about freezing 1.1.
>
> The main reason of course is that 1.1 is *far more pleasent* to use than 1.0. The other
> thing is that 1.1 did change quite some things that have impact on external code (Preferences,
> as an example).
>
> So I think we should
>
> -> start slowing down on 1.1 (Stef suggested that already)
> -> start polishing   (tests...)
> -> start to look at the Dev image.
> -> Official code freeze end of March.
> -> Release if possible end of April (this of course depends on the state of things).
>
>
> Any reasons against?
>
>
> Marcus
>
>
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> On Mar 16, 2010, at 10:19 AM, Marcus Denker wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> Now with 1.0 done, I think we should think about freezing 1.1.
>>
>> The main reason of course is that 1.1 is *far more pleasent* to use than 1.0. The other
>> thing is that 1.1 did change quite some things that have impact on external code (Preferences,
>> as an example).
>>
>> So I think we should
>>
>> -> start slowing down on 1.1 (Stef suggested that already)
>> -> start polishing   (tests...)
>> -> start to look at the Dev image.
>> -> Official code freeze end of March.
>> -> Release if possible end of April (this of course depends on the state of things).
>>
>>
>> Any reasons against?
>>
>>
>> Marcus
>>
>>
>> --
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>> INRIA Lille -- Nord Europe. Team RMoD.
>>
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> Then, in the future, when someone tries to port an old project with Preferences, we can say "Load it into a 1.1 image and fix it there".
> Without the availability of such a middle step, it'd be somewhat of a leap getting the code up to date. (unless you do it offline, but that's not really the smalltalk way, is it?)
>
> Cheers,
> Henry
>
>> On Mar 16, 2010, at 10:19 AM, Marcus Denker wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> Now with 1.0 done, I think we should think about freezing 1.1.
>>>
>>> The main reason of course is that 1.1 is *far more pleasent* to use than 1.0. The other
>>> thing is that 1.1 did change quite some things that have impact on external code (Preferences,
>>> as an example).
>>>
>>> So I think we should
>>>
>>> -> start slowing down on 1.1 (Stef suggested that already)
>>> -> start polishing   (tests...)
>>> -> start to look at the Dev image.
>>> -> Official code freeze end of March.
>>> -> Release if possible end of April (this of course depends on the state of things).
>>>
>>>
>>> Any reasons against?
>>>
>>>
>>> Marcus
>>>
>>>
>>> --
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>>> INRIA Lille -- Nord Europe. Team RMoD.
>>>
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> On Mar 16, 2010, at 4:52 PM, Henrik Johansen wrote:
>
>>
>> On Mar 16, 2010, at 4:01 51PM, Stéphane Ducasse wrote:
>>
>>> for code 1.1 I would like to be able to remove Preferences.
>>>
>>> Stef
>>
>> Personally, I think it's rather important to have a stable release where both are in, but where the Preferences adding raises deprecations, and the browser removed.
>
> Sure this is why I did not say removed :)
> But nobody in the image should refer to it.

>>>> for code 1.1 I would like to be able to remove Preferences.
>>>>
>>>> Stef
>>>
>>> Personally, I think it's rather important to have a stable release where both are in, but where the Preferences adding raises deprecations, and the browser removed.
>>
>> Sure this is why I did not say removed :)
>> But nobody in the image should refer to it.
>
> Ah, to me it read like you wanted to remove it completely :)

> On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 10:19 AM, Marcus Denker <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> Now with 1.0 done, I think we should think about freezing 1.1.
>
> What about getting 1.0 completely done/released/advertised before
> thinking about freezing 1.1?
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> <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> this is parallel and orthogonal.
>> and freezing means less radical changes, stabilization.
>
> The problem I see is that as soon as 1.1 gets frozen, people will move
> toward 1.2 to add the cool stuffs and 1.0 will get even less interest
> than now (which is already quite low compared to what 1.1 gets). At
> some point, we have to do the remaining 2% that close the stuff and
> let us move forward.
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