Crypt ... Libraries ...

> https, md5, DES, AES .... i really wonder, why you can't decide to
> plugin libcrypt ....?
>
> In C programming language we have all, we can imagine. So why reinvent
> the wheel by rewriting complex code in smalltalk?
>
> Why not including a small webserver in C language as plugin? Code is  
> there.
>
> Same with pdf libs - why not using Display PDF in C code with e.g.
> PANGO, like Apple did with Mac OS X?
>
> No, instead of doing so, MORPHIC is still there, based on C-LANG  
> blitter
> code.
>
> In Morphic, i noticed long time ago, there existed the possibility to
> print every screen object, writing it directly to file, sending it to
> the printer afterwards.
> It never worked for me, i tried in 3.6, 3.8, 3.9.
>
> Being abble to print contents out of the box in PDF format, the
> successor of PS, really would be nice ...
>
> Dear Squeak, Smalltalk, Pharo - developers - Do you still have the
> overview or are you lost in Smalltalk details?
>
> cheers, Guido Stepken
>
>
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> Of course using C libraries is an interesting alternative now
>        somebody has to do it
>        written in C = maintain in C
>        then we end up building walls around us,
>        I like the idea that I can learn something by reading and putting a
> break point in the code.
>
> So if the crypto is working in Squeak I suggest to keep it.
> Igor I would not rewrite it.
>

>
>
>
> On May 26, 2009, at 1:04 AM, stepken wrote:
>
>> https, md5, DES, AES .... i really wonder, why you can't decide to
>> plugin libcrypt ....?
>>
>> In C programming language we have all, we can imagine. So why reinvent
>> the wheel by rewriting complex code in smalltalk?
>>
>> Why not including a small webserver in C language as plugin? Code is
>> there.
>>
>> Same with pdf libs - why not using Display PDF in C code with e.g.
>> PANGO, like Apple did with Mac OS X?
>>
>> No, instead of doing so, MORPHIC is still there, based on C-LANG
>> blitter
>> code.
>>
>> In Morphic, i noticed long time ago, there existed the possibility to
>> print every screen object, writing it directly to file, sending it to
>> the printer afterwards.
>> It never worked for me, i tried in 3.6, 3.8, 3.9.
>>
>> Being abble to print contents out of the box in PDF format, the
>> successor of PS, really would be nice ...
>>
>> Dear Squeak, Smalltalk, Pharo - developers - Do you still have the
>> overview or are you lost in Smalltalk details?
>>
>> cheers, Guido Stepken
>>
>>
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>> [hidden email]
>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project
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> Hi!
>
> To make things clearer:
>
> License Problem: There is a community project with many former contributors.
> They all gave away their code for a idea of a free to use smalltalk.
> This now is renamed to Pharo by one of those contributors. Now some of those
> contributors offer support for that platform.
>
> If i were one of the former contributors. Who should i accuse for license
> infringement? Stef as one of the renamers? No. All other contributors? No.
>
> I have no idea, what person i could accuse. Who ever will be accused - Every
> judge will confirm, that nobody is responsable. Neither for renaming the
> project, nor for having contributed code.
>
> This is the problem for many companies, who own software patents. Free
> Software ... there is nobody, they can claim for patent infringement. Linux
> - who could be accused? Linus? No. Redhat? No. Novell. No. IBM? No. In what
> country? What court is in charge, in what country, what town? Anybody knows.
>
> So the free software community gives a shit on software patents, rights
> infringement. IBM is laughing at all hostile lawyers. They can prove in
> front of court, that all ideas in Linux have already been there in one of
> their former operating systems. Nothing new. And Linux becomes more and more
> popular.
>
> BSD, GNU, License...who really cares? Richard, yes. But not in case of
> Pharo. All open source. So, theoretically seen, question of license is
> important, practically not.
>
> You want to offer commercial software pakets with NDA? Closed Source? With
> RUNTIME-Licenses? Oh, yes. Very successful business models of the past. Not
> for the future.
>
> But - i can tell you, who will be suffering. Cincom. They are will be under
> pressure by Pharo. You will have to scramble the image, like many commercial
> Smalltalks do, to prevent disassembly.
>
> One of the great advantages of Squeak is, you can find code for everything
> in there. Even for sending SMS over Nokia mobiles. Ok, far from being
> perfect. But it worked once upon a time. That code you removed ... bad idea!
>
> >From Pharo I expect:
>
> Well defined compatibility to other smalltalks. Porting seaside,
> databases,... networking code from other smalltalk dialects should be
> comfortable.
> A well defined and documented GUI, Tutorials, showing, why Morphic is far
> superior to MVC, MVP.
> Well defined interfaces in Pharo. Ok, what's a interface in a neural network
> of sending objects?
> Internationalisation. Chinese, Japanese, German, Spanish, Portuguese, French
> ... Where are the 'language files' for hobbyists to begin with translation?
> Block closures, Traits.
> Who cares about a Jitter, wenn it does not run on all platforms. Use LLVM!
> Times have changed! Think of china, asia as market. They have godson
> processors. (MIPS), no Intel, never!!!!
> Working database interfaces for mysql, postgresql, db4o, oracle, db2, goods,
> magma ... Tutorials, like that from HPI on seaside. Video tutorials, like
> Dolphin has.
> Stability. (no hanging GUI when i click on the right upper button to change
> window colour).
> Renaming back to Squeak or Squeak II. The name 'Squeak' is better known,
> already introduced in the world. For Pharo you would have to spend money and
> much efforts for advertising. Wrong idea. Why? Go on reading.
> ONE Etoys with a nice look. Look at OLPC Etoys. Looks horrible.
> Reunification with Scratch.
> Tutorials for GUI Programming for Smalltalk beginners on Squeak II
> Bringing printing of Morphic canvas, fonts, text to work.
> Bringing that mass of lost packages back again into Squeak. Build up a
> system of "maintainers", like Debian has.
> Well organized 'request for help' database. Precise job offerings.
> Percentage metering.
> I want to know exactly, what i could contribute. Wheres is the roadmap, the
> plan i could understand as 'newby'? Programming, hacking around in smalltalk
> is not the problem, i need the idea of the ongoing restructuring process,
> the defined interfaces, e.t.c.
> Involve HPI, MIT, HP, IBM, APPLE, GOOGLE, NASA ... former contributors, make
> them invest into Squeak, into the future of our children. Squeak was and is
> an very important international educational project. You can collect
> millions of $ for international educational purposes for our children
> worldwide, but no money for a  additional commercial smalltalk.
> Bring those OLPC people to mention the name Squeak in the sense of a great
> educational community project in their project.
> Learn fundraising. Collect money, much money to drive that development
> process. Ever heard of a PAYPAL Button on homepages? Affiliate sytems, Link
> exchange? Official Sponsorship. Patronage. Sponsors want to know, where
> their money is going to, into what projects within Squeak II.
>
> And a BIG BANG.
>
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