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Hi Alain, I was trying the DemoMode before my talk at ESUG and I thought that it would be better if this guy only changes the size of the fonts. I am not sure if changing the fonts is good.
For example, right now it is using FreeType with DejaVu. Since Pharo1.1 dev doesn't use them, there is no folder "Fonts" with them…..thus they are not found and ugly fonts are rendered. Cheers mariano _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project |
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2010/9/14 Mariano Martinez Peck <[hidden email]>:
> Hi Alain, I was trying the DemoMode before my talk at ESUG and I thought > that it would be better if this guy only changes the size of the fonts. I am > not sure if changing the fonts is good. > > For example, right now it is using FreeType with DejaVu. Since Pharo1.1 dev > doesn't use them, there is no folder "Fonts" with them…..thus they are not > found and ugly fonts are rendered. Yes i already talk with Alain about this problem. One option was to include severals sizes of bitmap DejaVu font. BTW, we fix with Alain a problem of browser switches rendering with the demo font during the Smalltallk Camp here in Barcelona. -- Serge Stinckwich UMI UMMISCO 209 (IRD/UPMC), Hanoi, Vietnam Every DSL ends up being Smalltalk http://doesnotunderstand.org/ _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project |
Re: DemoMode should not change Fonts only sizes?
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Thanks Serge. I talked after with Alain and he explains me everything :)
he told me you will integrate new fonts (from cuis) into the image and that will have larger fonts available...then no need to use FreeType :) Please let us know if this gets done. Thanks Mariano On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 12:55 PM, Serge Stinckwich <[hidden email]> wrote: 2010/9/14 Mariano Martinez Peck <[hidden email]>: _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project |
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2010/9/21 Mariano Martinez Peck <[hidden email]>:
> Thanks Serge. I talked after with Alain and he explains me everything :) > he told me you will integrate new fonts (from cuis) into the image and that > will have larger fonts available...then no need to use FreeType :) Hi Mariano, BTW, Alain is more an expert in fonts than me so he will made the changes ;-) I just do the report of the bug. The idea is to integrate the Cuis fonts in several size, so the demo font will not be dependent of the fonts installed on your system. The only problem is that the size of the image will grow accordingly. Regards, -- Serge Stinckwich UMI UMMISCO 209 (IRD/UPMC), Hanoi, Vietnam Every DSL ends up being Smalltalk http://doesnotunderstand.org/ _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project |
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On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 12:06 PM, Serge Stinckwich <[hidden email]> wrote: 2010/9/21 Mariano Martinez Peck <[hidden email]>: How much? Anyway, I don't care too much if it increase. What it is important is to remove them in ScriptLoader >> cleanUpForProduction I guess For example right now, in that method is sending "self removeDejaVuFonts". Maybe we should update (if needed) that method to remove those new fonts. Cheers mariano Regards, _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project |
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Le 21/09/2010 12:11, Mariano Martinez Peck a écrit :
> > > On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 12:06 PM, Serge Stinckwich > <[hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]>> wrote: > > 2010/9/21 Mariano Martinez Peck <[hidden email] > <mailto:[hidden email]>>: > > Thanks Serge. I talked after with Alain and he explains me > everything :) > > he told me you will integrate new fonts (from cuis) into the > image and that > > will have larger fonts available...then no need to use FreeType :) > > Hi Mariano, > > BTW, Alain is more an expert in fonts than me so he will made the > changes ;-) > > > I just do the report of the bug. The idea is to integrate the Cuis > fonts in several size, so the demo font will not be dependent of the > fonts installed on your system. > The only problem is that the size of the image will grow accordingly. > > > How much? We have tried it with Marcus, it grows by 1.2 Mb. > Anyway, I don't care too much if it increase. What it is important is > to remove them in ScriptLoader >> cleanUpForProduction I guess > For example right now, in that method is sending "self > removeDejaVuFonts". > Maybe we should update (if needed) that method to remove those new fonts. yes Alain > > Cheers > > mariano > > Regards, > -- > Serge Stinckwich > UMI UMMISCO 209 (IRD/UPMC), Hanoi, Vietnam > Every DSL ends up being Smalltalk > http://doesnotunderstand.org/ > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > [hidden email] > <mailto:[hidden email]> > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > [hidden email] > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project |
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thanks Alain and Juan, CUIS fonts gave a excellent look and feel to Gaucho!
I highly recommend using them as the default Pharo font family Fernando pd: what i did is add the following line to the ConfigurationOfGaucho. spec blessing: #baseline; repository: 'http://www.squeaksource.com/gaucho'; package: 'DejaVuBitmapFonts' with:[ spec repository: 'http://www.squeaksource.com/DejaVu'] ; .... On Sep 21, 2010, at 12:19 PM, Alain Plantec wrote: > Le 21/09/2010 12:11, Mariano Martinez Peck a écrit : >> >> >> On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 12:06 PM, Serge Stinckwich >> <[hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]>> wrote: >> >> 2010/9/21 Mariano Martinez Peck <[hidden email] >> <mailto:[hidden email]>>: >>> Thanks Serge. I talked after with Alain and he explains me >> everything :) >>> he told me you will integrate new fonts (from cuis) into the >> image and that >>> will have larger fonts available...then no need to use FreeType :) >> >> Hi Mariano, >> >> BTW, Alain is more an expert in fonts than me so he will made the >> changes ;-) >> > well, not really an expert ... :) >> >> I......... _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project |
DejaVu extra sizes Re: DemoMode should not change Fonts only sizes?
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On 21 Sep 2010, at 13:11, Fernando olivero wrote: > thanks Alain and Juan, CUIS fonts gave a excellent look and feel to Gaucho! > > I highly recommend using them as the default Pharo font family > > Fernando > > pd: what i did is add the following line to the ConfigurationOfGaucho. > > spec > blessing: #baseline; > repository: 'http://www.squeaksource.com/gaucho'; > package: 'DejaVuBitmapFonts' with:[ spec repository: 'http://www.squeaksource.com/DejaVu'] ; > .... This package works great (Pharo 1.1, Cog, OSX). Thanks for the pointer. Due to the size issue, I wouldn't include them all by default. Maybe we could make some clever set of MC packages that you can load for each font size that you want ? Or load the spec data from a file/url ? I think most people will only need one or two sizes. The fallback should just be miminal. Sven _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project |
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where is the package?
>> > This package works great (Pharo 1.1, Cog, OSX). Thanks for the pointer. > > Due to the size issue, I wouldn't include them all by default. > > Maybe we could make some clever set of MC packages that you can load for each font size that you want ? > Or load the spec data from a file/url ? > > I think most people will only need one or two sizes. The fallback should just be miminal. > > Sven > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > [hidden email] > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project |
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location: 'http://www.squeaksource.com/DejaVu' user: '' password: '' On 22 Sep 2010, at 11:42, Stéphane Ducasse wrote: > where is the package? > >>> >> This package works great (Pharo 1.1, Cog, OSX). Thanks for the pointer. >> >> Due to the size issue, I wouldn't include them all by default. >> >> Maybe we could make some clever set of MC packages that you can load for each font size that you want ? >> Or load the spec data from a file/url ? >> >> I think most people will only need one or two sizes. The fallback should just be miminal. >> >> Sven >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> [hidden email] >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > [hidden email] > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project |
Re: DejaVu extra sizes Re: DemoMode should not change Fonts only sizes?
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On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 2:34 PM, Sven Van Caekenberghe <[hidden email]> wrote:
You have a point here. Maybe we don't need to put all the families and all the size in the core....just the most used ones. Then, in the Dev image we can load all the rest, and the settings to set the Demo Fonts. what do you think alain? Anyway, all these fonts should be removed in #cleanUpForProduction I think. cheers mariano
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Yes
I think that we should just get better at packaging/loading.... But this package is important so it should be a supported package. Stef > Due to the size issue, I wouldn't include them all by default. > > Maybe we could make some clever set of MC packages that you can load for each font size that you want ? > Or load the spec data from a file/url ? > > You have a point here. Maybe we don't need to put all the families and all the size in the core....just the most used ones. > > Then, in the Dev image we can load all the rest, and the settings to set the Demo Fonts. > > what do you think alain? > > Anyway, all these fonts should be removed in #cleanUpForProduction I think. > > cheers > > mariano > > > I think most people will only need one or two sizes. The fallback should just be miminal. > > Sven > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > [hidden email] > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > [hidden email] > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project |
Re: DejaVu extra sizes Re: DemoMode should not change Fonts only sizes?
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Le 23/09/2010 09:17, Stéphane Ducasse a écrit :
> Yes > I think that we should just get better at packaging/loading.... > But this package is important so it should be a supported package. > > Stef > > Concerning the size issue: On a fresh image: after a cleanUpForRelease -> 13.4 Mo Then, I've load the full dejaVu font and I've removed the old accuny one, also removed old dejaVu (the current one with 3 sizes), cleaned StrikeFont class then cleanUpForRelease -> 14.1 Mo In this image, only one dejaVu font with all sizes, so that standard and demo mode are working. Of course we can also remove small sizes (maybe 5, 6 and 7) to decrease the size more. Cheers Alain _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project |
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Accuny was not fully removed in my previous try (was still referenced by
TextConstants). After deeper cleaning and loading of the dejaVu font without the 5, 6 and 7 sizes -> 14.0 Mo. The size was of 13.2 Mo before the cleaning, so, I guess that the price is of 0.8 Mo. Here is what I've done: ------- Before: World removeAllMorphs. StrikeFont cleanUp. ScriptLoader new cleanUpForRelease. -> 13.2 Mo Then: World removeAllMorphs. StrikeFont cleanUp. DejaVuHolder cleanUpForRelease. StandardFonts setFontsFromSpec: #( #(#defaultFont: 'Bitmap DejaVu' 9 ) #(#codeFont: 'Bitmap DejaVu' 9 ) #(#listFont: 'Bitmap DejaVu' 9 ) #(#menuFont: 'Bitmap DejaVu' 9 ) #(#windowTitleFont: 'Bitmap DejaVu' 12 ) #(#balloonFont: 'Bitmap DejaVu' 10 ) #(#haloFont: 'Bitmap DejaVu' 10 ) #(#buttonFont: 'Bitmap DejaVu' 9 ) ). StrikeFont class removeCategory: #'*Graphics-Resources'. TextConstants removeKey: #Accuny. TextConstants removeKey: #'Bitmap DejaVu Sans'. TextConstants at: #DefaultFixedTextStyle put: (TextConstants at: #'Bitmap DejaVu'). TextConstants at: #DefaultMultiStyle put: (TextConstants at: #'Bitmap DejaVu'). StrikeFont cleanUp. ScriptLoader new cleanUpForRelease. SmalltalkImage current garbageCollectMost. ------ After that, there was still an old text style referenced by the ParagraphEditor UndoParagraph class variable. I've cleaned it by setting UndoParagraph to nil from an inspector. Cheers Alain Le 23/09/2010 09:40, Alain Plantec a écrit : > Le 23/09/2010 09:17, Stéphane Ducasse a écrit : >> Yes >> I think that we should just get better at packaging/loading.... >> But this package is important so it should be a supported package. >> >> Stef >> > Concerning the size issue: > On a fresh image: after a cleanUpForRelease -> 13.4 Mo > > Then, I've load the full dejaVu font and I've removed the old accuny one, > also removed old dejaVu (the current one with 3 sizes), > cleaned StrikeFont class > then cleanUpForRelease -> 14.1 Mo > > In this image, only one dejaVu font with all sizes, so that standard > and demo mode are working. > Of course we can also remove small sizes (maybe 5, 6 and 7) to > decrease the size more. > > Cheers > Alain > > _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project |
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On Sep 23, 2010, at 9:40 42AM, Alain Plantec wrote: > Le 23/09/2010 09:17, Stéphane Ducasse a écrit : >> Yes >> I think that we should just get better at packaging/loading.... >> But this package is important so it should be a supported package. >> >> Stef >> >> > Concerning the size issue: > On a fresh image: after a cleanUpForRelease -> 13.4 Mo > > Then, I've load the full dejaVu font and I've removed the old accuny one, > also removed old dejaVu (the current one with 3 sizes), > cleaned StrikeFont class > then cleanUpForRelease -> 14.1 Mo > > In this image, only one dejaVu font with all sizes, so that standard and demo mode are working. > Of course we can also remove small sizes (maybe 5, 6 and 7) to decrease the size more. > > Cheers > Alain Personally I find 7 a good size for tooltips/buttons, haven't used the even smaller sizes. The package should be updated to provide proper derived fonts for Bold Italic though. Also, is there a specific reason bitmaps for Italic underlined is included for size 12, and no others? Cheers, Henry _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project |
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Le 23/09/2010 16:03, Henrik Johansen a écrit :
> Sounds like a plan, I feel the StrikeFont port from Cuis is new robust enough now to drop accuny completely. > Personally I find 7 a good size for tooltips/buttons, haven't used the even smaller sizes. > too small here, but of course, the 7 is available if we want to include it. > The package should be updated to provide proper derived fonts for Bold Italic though. notice that the 22 has Undelined and Italic-Underlined too > > Also, is there a specific reason bitmaps for Italic underlined is included for size 12, and no others? > I don't know why but it seems that it is like that in Cuis. Maybe Juan could tell us ? I've only implemented some methods in order to automatically extract them from Cuis. Alain > Cheers, > Henry > _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project |
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Alain Plantec wrote:
> Le 23/09/2010 16:03, Henrik Johansen a écrit : >> Sounds like a plan, I feel the StrikeFont port from Cuis is new >> robust enough now to drop accuny completely. >> Personally I find 7 a good size for tooltips/buttons, haven't used >> the even smaller sizes. >> > too small here, but of course, the 7 is available if we want to > include it. >> The package should be updated to provide proper derived fonts for >> Bold Italic though. > notice that the 22 has Undelined and Italic-Underlined too >> >> Also, is there a specific reason bitmaps for Italic underlined is >> included for size 12, and no others? >> > I don't know why but it seems that it is like that in Cuis. > Maybe Juan could tell us ? > > I've only implemented some methods in order to automatically extract > them from Cuis. > Alain > >> Cheers, >> Henry >> Hi Folks, I included in Cuis the fonts I think are most needed. If you want to build other sizes, all you need is http://www.jvuletich.org/Cuis/AAFonts.zip and the methods already in StrikeFont. That zip file includes regular, bold, italic and bold italic for all sizes between 5 and 24. Have fun with it! Cheers, Juan Vuletich _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project |
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Le 23/09/2010 20:20, Juan Vuletich a écrit :
> > Hi Folks, > > I included in Cuis the fonts I think are most needed. If you want to > build other sizes, all you need is > http://www.jvuletich.org/Cuis/AAFonts.zip and the methods already in > StrikeFont. That zip file includes regular, bold, italic and bold > italic for all sizes between 5 and 24. > > Have fun with it! I've load them in pharo. Thanks a lot Juan A package for Pharo will be available soon. Cheers Alain > > Cheers, > Juan Vuletich > _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project |
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