I just had to write in and say THANKS for the tips.
Thank you Boris, Philippe, Lukas, and Rick! Firefox and all the tools are really cool! Ron > -----Original Message----- > From: [hidden email] [mailto:seaside- > [hidden email]] On Behalf Of Ron Teitelbaum > Sent: Friday, October 06, 2006 7:33 PM > To: 'The Squeak Enterprise Aubergines Server - general discussion.' > Subject: RE: [Seaside] Dev toolbar in IE > > I saw this recently http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_stats.asp > it looks like IE5 is at 4% > > Ron > > > From: Rick Flower > > Sent: Friday, October 06, 2006 4:08 PM > > > > Boris Popov wrote: > > > Here are few reasons why I personally find Firefox as a best tool for > > > development (that's not to say some of these tools don't exist for IE > > > though), > > > > > > - TABS! :) > > > - Less quirks in treating Web Standards compliant XHTML (Strict) and > CSS > > > - DOM inspector > > > - JavaScript console > > > - JavaScript debugger > > > - http://www.mozilla.org/projects/venkman/ > > > - Web Developer toolbar > > > - http://chrispederick.com/work/webdeveloper/ > > > > Boris did a pretty good job of summing it up.. Ideally, if you find that > > you write code that works for IE, in my limited experience, you may find > > that your code does NOT work for the standards-compliant browsers unless > > you're very diligent.. I develop mostly against Safari (on Mac's) and > > test w/ Firefox and lastly pester IE when needed. I'll have to keep an > > eye out for who uses what, but with what I've seen so far with my > > existing PHP based application (soon to be replaced hopefully), it's > > primarily being used by Safari, IE6, and Firefox users.. I'm glad I > > don't see many IE5 users as that browser is REALLY old and has even more > > problems than IE6 does. > > _______________________________________________ > > Seaside mailing list > > [hidden email] > > http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside > > > _______________________________________________ > Seaside mailing list > [hidden email] > http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside _______________________________________________ Seaside mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside |
I'm really hoping to see IE7 become a contender though, I've been using
it as my main browser for few days now to get a feel for it and I have to say its definitely a huge improvement over IE6, but its hard to get over the stigma. Obviously I still go back to Firefox for debugging and development, but I expect IE will get some of those ported or equivalents will start showing up. Cheers! -Boris -- +1.604.689.0322 DeepCove Labs Ltd. 4th floor 595 Howe Street Vancouver, Canada V6C 2T5 [hidden email] CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE This email is intended only for the persons named in the message header. Unless otherwise indicated, it contains information that is private and confidential. If you have received it in error, please notify the sender and delete the entire message including any attachments. Thank you. -----Original Message----- From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Ron Teitelbaum Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2006 4:49 PM To: 'The Squeak Enterprise Aubergines Server - general discussion.' Subject: RE: [Seaside] Dev toolbar in IE I just had to write in and say THANKS for the tips. Thank you Boris, Philippe, Lukas, and Rick! Firefox and all the tools are really cool! Ron > -----Original Message----- > From: [hidden email] [mailto:seaside- > [hidden email]] On Behalf Of Ron Teitelbaum > Sent: Friday, October 06, 2006 7:33 PM > To: 'The Squeak Enterprise Aubergines Server - general discussion.' > Subject: RE: [Seaside] Dev toolbar in IE > > I saw this recently http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_stats.asp > it looks like IE5 is at 4% > > Ron > > > From: Rick Flower > > Sent: Friday, October 06, 2006 4:08 PM > > > > Boris Popov wrote: > > > Here are few reasons why I personally find Firefox as a best tool for > > > development (that's not to say some of these tools don't exist for IE > > > though), > > > > > > - TABS! :) > > > - Less quirks in treating Web Standards compliant XHTML (Strict) and > CSS > > > - DOM inspector > > > - JavaScript console > > > - JavaScript debugger > > > - http://www.mozilla.org/projects/venkman/ > > > - Web Developer toolbar > > > - http://chrispederick.com/work/webdeveloper/ > > > > Boris did a pretty good job of summing it up.. Ideally, if you find that > > you write code that works for IE, in my limited experience, you may find > > that your code does NOT work for the standards-compliant browsers unless > > you're very diligent.. I develop mostly against Safari (on Mac's) and > > test w/ Firefox and lastly pester IE when needed. I'll have to keep an > > eye out for who uses what, but with what I've seen so far with my > > existing PHP based application (soon to be replaced hopefully), it's > > primarily being used by Safari, IE6, and Firefox users.. I'm glad I > > don't see many IE5 users as that browser is REALLY old and has even more > > problems than IE6 does. > > _______________________________________________ > > Seaside mailing list > > [hidden email] > > http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside > > > _______________________________________________ > Seaside mailing list > [hidden email] > http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside _______________________________________________ Seaside mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside _______________________________________________ Seaside mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside |
I'll take a look at it, thanks.
It really does feel like I've had blinders removed. I found the show XMLHttpRequests in the console of FireBug and wow that was great to help me see what was going on. That and the DOM model browsing really brighten everything up! Thanks again! Ron > -----Original Message----- > From: Boris Popov [mailto:[hidden email]] > Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2006 12:06 PM > To: [hidden email]; The Squeak Enterprise Aubergines Server - general > discussion. > Subject: RE: [Seaside] Dev toolbar in IE > > I'm really hoping to see IE7 become a contender though, I've been using > it as my main browser for few days now to get a feel for it and I have > to say its definitely a huge improvement over IE6, but its hard to get > over the stigma. Obviously I still go back to Firefox for debugging and > development, but I expect IE will get some of those ported or > equivalents will start showing up. > > Cheers! > > -Boris > > -- > +1.604.689.0322 > DeepCove Labs Ltd. > 4th floor 595 Howe Street > Vancouver, Canada V6C 2T5 > > [hidden email] > > CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE > > This email is intended only for the persons named in the message > header. Unless otherwise indicated, it contains information that is > private and confidential. If you have received it in error, please > notify the sender and delete the entire message including any > attachments. > > Thank you. > > -----Original Message----- > From: [hidden email] > [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Ron > Teitelbaum > Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2006 4:49 PM > To: 'The Squeak Enterprise Aubergines Server - general discussion.' > Subject: RE: [Seaside] Dev toolbar in IE > > I just had to write in and say THANKS for the tips. > > Thank you Boris, Philippe, Lukas, and Rick! Firefox and all the tools > are > really cool! > > Ron > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [hidden email] [mailto:seaside- > > [hidden email]] On Behalf Of Ron Teitelbaum > > Sent: Friday, October 06, 2006 7:33 PM > > To: 'The Squeak Enterprise Aubergines Server - general discussion.' > > Subject: RE: [Seaside] Dev toolbar in IE > > > > I saw this recently > http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_stats.asp > > it looks like IE5 is at 4% > > > > Ron > > > > > From: Rick Flower > > > Sent: Friday, October 06, 2006 4:08 PM > > > > > > Boris Popov wrote: > > > > Here are few reasons why I personally find Firefox as a best tool > for > > > > development (that's not to say some of these tools don't exist for > IE > > > > though), > > > > > > > > - TABS! :) > > > > - Less quirks in treating Web Standards compliant XHTML (Strict) > and > > CSS > > > > - DOM inspector > > > > - JavaScript console > > > > - JavaScript debugger > > > > - http://www.mozilla.org/projects/venkman/ > > > > - Web Developer toolbar > > > > - http://chrispederick.com/work/webdeveloper/ > > > > > > Boris did a pretty good job of summing it up.. Ideally, if you find > that > > > you write code that works for IE, in my limited experience, you may > find > > > that your code does NOT work for the standards-compliant browsers > unless > > > you're very diligent.. I develop mostly against Safari (on Mac's) > and > > > test w/ Firefox and lastly pester IE when needed. I'll have to keep > an > > > eye out for who uses what, but with what I've seen so far with my > > > existing PHP based application (soon to be replaced hopefully), it's > > > primarily being used by Safari, IE6, and Firefox users.. I'm glad I > > > don't see many IE5 users as that browser is REALLY old and has even > more > > > problems than IE6 does. > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Seaside mailing list > > > [hidden email] > > > http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Seaside mailing list > > [hidden email] > > http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside > > > _______________________________________________ > Seaside mailing list > [hidden email] > http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside _______________________________________________ Seaside mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside |
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