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Jan Vrany

Disabling Rubric in Nautilus

Hi there,

is there a way to disable Rubric in Nautilus and get back
to PluggableTextMorph or whichever beast was used before?
Quick search in settings did not help.

Jan

Franck Warlouzet

Re: Disabling Rubric in Nautilus

Hello Jan,

On Pharo 5, I don't think so (unless you want to reload the very old commits from nautilus). PluggableTextMorph will be remove so we will not put an option to switch between Rubric or that.

What do not you like with Rubric ?

Franck

> From: [hidden email]

> To: [hidden email]
> Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2015 22:19:05 +0100
> Subject: [Pharo-dev] Disabling Rubric in Nautilus
>
> Hi there,
>
> is there a way to disable Rubric in Nautilus and get back
> to PluggableTextMorph or whichever beast was used before?
> Quick search in settings did not help.
>
> Jan
>

Jan Vrany

Re: Disabling Rubric in Nautilus

On Tue, 2015-07-21 at 23:38 +0200, Franck Warlouzet wrote:
> Hello Jan,
>
> On Pharo 5, I don't think so (unless you want to reload the very old
> commits from nautilus). PluggableTextMorph will be remove so we will
> not put an option to switch between Rubric or that.

Right. Is there a way to dig out an older image prior the switch?

>
> What do not you like with Rubric ?

It's not that I don't like it, but in my very case it burns
my CPU. Looks like a performance problem.

Thanks! Jan

>
> Franck
>
> > From: [hidden email]
> > To: [hidden email]
> > Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2015 22:19:05 +0100
> > Subject: [Pharo-dev] Disabling Rubric in Nautilus
> >
> > Hi there,
> >
> > is there a way to disable Rubric in Nautilus and get back
> > to PluggableTextMorph or whichever beast was used before?
> > Quick search in settings did not help.
> >
> > Jan
> >

Andrei Chis

Re: Disabling Rubric in Nautilus

That performance problem might be due to FastTable.

Try disabling it: Nautilus useExperimentalFastTable: false

Andrei

On Wed, Jul 22, 2015 at 10:03 AM, Jan Vrany <[hidden email]> wrote:

On Tue, 2015-07-21 at 23:38 +0200, Franck Warlouzet wrote:
> Hello Jan,
>
> On Pharo 5, I don't think so (unless you want to reload the very old
> commits from nautilus). PluggableTextMorph will be remove so we will
> not put an option to switch between Rubric or that.

Right. Is there a way to dig out an older image prior the switch?

>
> What do not you like with Rubric ?

It's not that I don't like it, but in my very case it burns
my CPU. Looks like a performance problem.

Thanks! Jan

>
> Franck
>
> > From: [hidden email]
> > To: [hidden email]

> > Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2015 22:19:05 +0100
> > Subject: [Pharo-dev] Disabling Rubric in Nautilus
> >
> > Hi there,
> >
> > is there a way to disable Rubric in Nautilus and get back
> > to PluggableTextMorph or whichever beast was used before?
> > Quick search in settings did not help.
> >
> > Jan
> >

Marcus Denker-4

Re: Disabling Rubric in Nautilus

> On 22 Jul 2015, at 10:09, Andrei Chis <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> That performance problem might be due to FastTable.
> Try disabling it: Nautilus useExperimentalFastTable: false
>
>
Yes, in the latest images it is already disabled till Esteban comes back from
Holidays.

Marcus

Peter Uhnak

Re: Disabling Rubric in Nautilus

In reply to this post by Jan Vrany

Right. Is there a way to dig out an older image prior the switch?

http://files.pharo.org/image/50/

Franck Warlouzet

Re: Disabling Rubric in Nautilus

In reply to this post by Andrei Chis

With the latest image the FastTable are disabled by default.

You can find the older images easily with Pharo Launcher but I do not remember the exact number. Try before 50133 or something like that, then you could file out Nautilus package et merge it on your latest image. But I do not know what will happen, maybe there is a little bit more to do.

Franck

From: [hidden email]
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2015 10:09:51 +0200
To: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: [Pharo-dev] Disabling Rubric in Nautilus

That performance problem might be due to FastTable.

Try disabling it: Nautilus useExperimentalFastTable: false

Andrei

On Wed, Jul 22, 2015 at 10:03 AM, Jan Vrany <[hidden email]> wrote:

On Tue, 2015-07-21 at 23:38 +0200, Franck Warlouzet wrote:
> Hello Jan,
>
> On Pharo 5, I don't think so (unless you want to reload the very old
> commits from nautilus). PluggableTextMorph will be remove so we will
> not put an option to switch between Rubric or that.

Right. Is there a way to dig out an older image prior the switch?

>
> What do not you like with Rubric ?

It's not that I don't like it, but in my very case it burns
my CPU. Looks like a performance problem.

Thanks! Jan

>
> Franck
>
> > From: [hidden email]
> > To: [hidden email]

> > Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2015 22:19:05 +0100
> > Subject: [Pharo-dev] Disabling Rubric in Nautilus
> >
> > Hi there,
> >
> > is there a way to disable Rubric in Nautilus and get back
> > to PluggableTextMorph or whichever beast was used before?
> > Quick search in settings did not help.
> >
> > Jan
> >

Jan Vrany

Re: Disabling Rubric in Nautilus

On Wed, 2015-07-22 at 10:18 +0200, Franck Warlouzet wrote:
> With the latest image the FastTable are disabled by default.
>
>
> You can find the older images easily with Pharo Launcher but I do not
> remember the exact number. Try before 50133 or something like that,

Great, thanks! This makes binary search easier :-)

> then you could file out Nautilus package et merge it on your latest
> image. But I do not know what will happen, maybe there is a little
> bit more to do.

Older image is fine, but thanks anyway!

Jan

>
> Franck
>
> From: [hidden email]
> Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2015 10:09:51 +0200
> To: [hidden email]
> Subject: Re: [Pharo-dev] Disabling Rubric in Nautilus
>
> That performance problem might be due to FastTable.
> Try disabling it: Nautilus useExperimentalFastTable: false
>
>
> Andrei
>
> On Wed, Jul 22, 2015 at 10:03 AM, Jan Vrany <[hidden email]>
> wrote:
> On Tue, 2015-07-21 at 23:38 +0200, Franck Warlouzet wrote:
> > Hello Jan,
> >
> > On Pharo 5, I don't think so (unless you want to reload the very
> old
> > commits from nautilus). PluggableTextMorph will be remove so we
> will
> > not put an option to switch between Rubric or that.
>
> Right. Is there a way to dig out an older image prior the switch?
>
> >
> > What do not you like with Rubric ?
>
> It's not that I don't like it, but in my very case it burns
> my CPU. Looks like a performance problem.
>
> Thanks! Jan
>
> >
> > Franck
> >
> > > From: [hidden email]
> > > To: [hidden email]
> > > Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2015 22:19:05 +0100
> > > Subject: [Pharo-dev] Disabling Rubric in Nautilus
> > >
> > > Hi there,
> > >
> > > is there a way to disable Rubric in Nautilus and get back
> > > to PluggableTextMorph or whichever beast was used before?
> > > Quick search in settings did not help.
> > >
> > > Jan
> > >
>
>

Franck Warlouzet

Re: Disabling Rubric in Nautilus

And merge it*

You are welcome, we hope we will fix the performance issue so you can use the latest image without any trouble.

Franck

> From: [hidden email]

> To: [hidden email]
> Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2015 09:22:03 +0100
> Subject: Re: [Pharo-dev] Disabling Rubric in Nautilus
>
> On Wed, 2015-07-22 at 10:18 +0200, Franck Warlouzet wrote:
> > With the latest image the FastTable are disabled by default.
> >
> >
> > You can find the older images easily with Pharo Launcher but I do not
> > remember the exact number. Try before 50133 or something like that,
>
>
> Great, thanks! This makes binary search easier :-)
>
> > then you could file out Nautilus package et merge it on your latest
> > image. But I do not know what will happen, maybe there is a little
> > bit more to do.
>
> Older image is fine, but thanks anyway!
>
> Jan
>
> >
> > Franck
> >
> > From: [hidden email]
> > Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2015 10:09:51 +0200
> > To: [hidden email]
> > Subject: Re: [Pharo-dev] Disabling Rubric in Nautilus
> >
> > That performance problem might be due to FastTable.
> > Try disabling it: Nautilus useExperimentalFastTable: false
> >
> >
> > Andrei
> >
> > On Wed, Jul 22, 2015 at 10:03 AM, Jan Vrany <[hidden email]>
> > wrote:
> > On Tue, 2015-07-21 at 23:38 +0200, Franck Warlouzet wrote:
> > > Hello Jan,
> > >
> > > On Pharo 5, I don't think so (unless you want to reload the very
> > old
> > > commits from nautilus). PluggableTextMorph will be remove so we
> > will
> > > not put an option to switch between Rubric or that.
> >
> > Right. Is there a way to dig out an older image prior the switch?
> >
> > >
> > > What do not you like with Rubric ?
> >
> > It's not that I don't like it, but in my very case it burns
> > my CPU. Looks like a performance problem.
> >
> > Thanks! Jan
> >
> > >
> > > Franck
> > >
> > > > From: [hidden email]
> > > > To: [hidden email]
> > > > Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2015 22:19:05 +0100
> > > > Subject: [Pharo-dev] Disabling Rubric in Nautilus
> > > >
> > > > Hi there,
> > > >
> > > > is there a way to disable Rubric in Nautilus and get back
> > > > to PluggableTextMorph or whichever beast was used before?
> > > > Quick search in settings did not help.
> > > >
> > > > Jan
> > > >
> >
> >
>

stepharo

Re: Disabling Rubric in Nautilus

In reply to this post by Jan Vrany

Jan do you have a scenario where we can see the performance issue?

Le 22/7/15 10:03, Jan Vrany a écrit :

> On Tue, 2015-07-21 at 23:38 +0200, Franck Warlouzet wrote:
>> Hello Jan,
>>
>> On Pharo 5, I don't think so (unless you want to reload the very old
>> commits from nautilus). PluggableTextMorph will be remove so we will
>> not put an option to switch between Rubric or that.
> Right. Is there a way to dig out an older image prior the switch?
>
>> What do not you like with Rubric ?
> It's not that I don't like it, but in my very case it burns
> my CPU. Looks like a performance problem.
>
> Thanks! Jan
>
>> Franck
>>
>>> From: [hidden email]
>>> To: [hidden email]
>>> Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2015 22:19:05 +0100
>>> Subject: [Pharo-dev] Disabling Rubric in Nautilus
>>>
>>> Hi there,
>>>
>>> is there a way to disable Rubric in Nautilus and get back
>>> to PluggableTextMorph or whichever beast was used before?
>>> Quick search in settings did not help.
>>>
>>> Jan
>>>
>

Jan Vrany

Re: Disabling Rubric in Nautilus (+VM crash)

On Wed, 2015-07-22 at 14:55 +0200, stepharo wrote:
> Jan do you have a scenario where we can see the performance issue?
>

Hmm...actually not reproducible one. Here's the story:

It happened me couple times that the CPU (core) usage was 100% when
I typed in Nautilus. When I stopped typing, CPU usage went to 5%
(which is "normal" IIUC).

I saved the image when it exhibited the performance problem, but the
other day it failed to open at all. VM crashed before opening the
window (log attached if anyone's interested - from the trace it looks
like freetype plugin's doing something wrong.

Funny enough after not having time for this for couple days,
I tried again and the (i) the image does start and (ii) it does no
longer exhibit the poor performance.

I'm bloody sure nothing changed in my system meanwhile (no VM change,
no upgrade of system libraries, etc). The image that crashed used no
FFI calls except those done by system as shipped. So in the end
something else seems to be broken and Rubric performance could be
just a consequence. Maybe I suspected the wrong guy. Sorry about that.

Best, Jan

>
> Le 22/7/15 10:03, Jan Vrany a écrit :
> > On Tue, 2015-07-21 at 23:38 +0200, Franck Warlouzet wrote:
> > > Hello Jan,
> > >
> > > On Pharo 5, I don't think so (unless you want to reload the very
> > > old
> > > commits from nautilus). PluggableTextMorph will be remove so we
> > > will
> > > not put an option to switch between Rubric or that.
> > Right. Is there a way to dig out an older image prior the switch?
> >
> > > What do not you like with Rubric ?
> > It's not that I don't like it, but in my very case it burns
> > my CPU. Looks like a performance problem.
> >
> > Thanks! Jan
> >
> > > Franck
> > >
> > > > From: [hidden email]
> > > > To: [hidden email]
> > > > Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2015 22:19:05 +0100
> > > > Subject: [Pharo-dev] Disabling Rubric in Nautilus
> > > >
> > > > Hi there,
> > > >
> > > > is there a way to disable Rubric in Nautilus and get back
> > > > to PluggableTextMorph or whichever beast was used before?
> > > > Quick search in settings did not help.
> > > >
> > > > Jan
> > > >
> >
>
>

pharo-crash.txt (19K) Download Attachment

Nicolai Hess

Re: Disabling Rubric in Nautilus (+VM crash)

2015-07-29 8:55 GMT+02:00 Jan Vrany <[hidden email]>:

On Wed, 2015-07-22 at 14:55 +0200, stepharo wrote:
> Jan do you have a scenario where we can see the performance issue?
>

Hmm...actually not reproducible one. Here's the story:

It happened me couple times that the CPU (core) usage was 100% when
I typed in Nautilus. When I stopped typing, CPU usage went to 5%
(which is "normal" IIUC).

I saved the image when it exhibited the performance problem, but the
other day it failed to open at all. VM crashed before opening the
window (log attached if anyone's interested - from the trace it looks
like freetype plugin's doing something wrong.

Funny enough after not having time for this for couple days,
I tried again and the (i) the image does start and (ii) it does no
longer exhibit the poor performance.

I'm bloody sure nothing changed in my system meanwhile (no VM change,
no upgrade of system libraries, etc). The image that crashed used no
FFI calls except those done by system as shipped. So in the end
something else seems to be broken and Rubric performance could be
just a consequence. Maybe I suspected the wrong guy. Sorry about that.

Yes and no, the 5.0 Image has a problem with loading FT-Fonts at startup

-> it crash crash, but not always.

and there are some (other) issues with Nautilus (fast table, it is now disabled

again,and some issues with rubric text for the code panel (slow and/or no highlighting)).

nicolai

Best, Jan

>
> Le 22/7/15 10:03, Jan Vrany a écrit :
> > On Tue, 2015-07-21 at 23:38 +0200, Franck Warlouzet wrote:
> > > Hello Jan,
> > >
> > > On Pharo 5, I don't think so (unless you want to reload the very
> > > old
> > > commits from nautilus). PluggableTextMorph will be remove so we
> > > will
> > > not put an option to switch between Rubric or that.
> > Right. Is there a way to dig out an older image prior the switch?
> >
> > > What do not you like with Rubric ?
> > It's not that I don't like it, but in my very case it burns
> > my CPU. Looks like a performance problem.
> >
> > Thanks! Jan
> >
> > > Franck
> > >
> > > > From: [hidden email]
> > > > To: [hidden email]
> > > > Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2015 22:19:05 +0100
> > > > Subject: [Pharo-dev] Disabling Rubric in Nautilus
> > > >
> > > > Hi there,
> > > >
> > > > is there a way to disable Rubric in Nautilus and get back
> > > > to PluggableTextMorph or whichever beast was used before?
> > > > Quick search in settings did not help.
> > > >
> > > > Jan
> > > >
> >
>
>

stepharo

Re: Disabling Rubric in Nautilus (+VM crash)

In reply to this post by Jan Vrany

This is strange because I'm usually a bug magnet and I did not got this
one.
May be this is a problem with the processes for the syntax highlighter.

Stef

Le 29/7/15 08:55, Jan Vrany a écrit :

> On Wed, 2015-07-22 at 14:55 +0200, stepharo wrote:
>> Jan do you have a scenario where we can see the performance issue?
>>
> Hmm...actually not reproducible one. Here's the story:
>
> It happened me couple times that the CPU (core) usage was 100% when
> I typed in Nautilus. When I stopped typing, CPU usage went to 5%
> (which is "normal" IIUC).
>
> I saved the image when it exhibited the performance problem, but the
> other day it failed to open at all. VM crashed before opening the
> window (log attached if anyone's interested - from the trace it looks
> like freetype plugin's doing something wrong.
>
> Funny enough after not having time for this for couple days,
> I tried again and the (i) the image does start and (ii) it does no
> longer exhibit the poor performance.
>
> I'm bloody sure nothing changed in my system meanwhile (no VM change,
> no upgrade of system libraries, etc). The image that crashed used no
> FFI calls except those done by system as shipped. So in the end
> something else seems to be broken and Rubric performance could be
> just a consequence. Maybe I suspected the wrong guy. Sorry about that.
>
> Best, Jan
>
>
>> Le 22/7/15 10:03, Jan Vrany a écrit :
>>> On Tue, 2015-07-21 at 23:38 +0200, Franck Warlouzet wrote:
>>>> Hello Jan,
>>>>
>>>> On Pharo 5, I don't think so (unless you want to reload the very
>>>> old
>>>> commits from nautilus). PluggableTextMorph will be remove so we
>>>> will
>>>> not put an option to switch between Rubric or that.
>>> Right. Is there a way to dig out an older image prior the switch?
>>>
>>>> What do not you like with Rubric ?
>>> It's not that I don't like it, but in my very case it burns
>>> my CPU. Looks like a performance problem.
>>>
>>> Thanks! Jan
>>>
>>>> Franck
>>>>
>>>>> From: [hidden email]
>>>>> To: [hidden email]
>>>>> Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2015 22:19:05 +0100
>>>>> Subject: [Pharo-dev] Disabling Rubric in Nautilus
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi there,
>>>>>
>>>>> is there a way to disable Rubric in Nautilus and get back
>>>>> to PluggableTextMorph or whichever beast was used before?
>>>>> Quick search in settings did not help.
>>>>>
>>>>> Jan
>>>>>

stepharo

Re: Disabling Rubric in Nautilus (+VM crash)

In reply to this post by Nicolai Hess

Nicolai could you enter the bugs so that we are sure that we have a look at them.

Stef

Le 29/7/15 09:06, Nicolai Hess a écrit :

2015-07-29 8:55 GMT+02:00 Jan Vrany <[hidden email]>:

On Wed, 2015-07-22 at 14:55 +0200, stepharo wrote:
> Jan do you have a scenario where we can see the performance issue?
>

Hmm...actually not reproducible one. Here's the story:

It happened me couple times that the CPU (core) usage was 100% when
I typed in Nautilus. When I stopped typing, CPU usage went to 5%
(which is "normal" IIUC).

I saved the image when it exhibited the performance problem, but the
other day it failed to open at all. VM crashed before opening the
window (log attached if anyone's interested - from the trace it looks
like freetype plugin's doing something wrong.

Funny enough after not having time for this for couple days,
I tried again and the (i) the image does start and (ii) it does no
longer exhibit the poor performance.

I'm bloody sure nothing changed in my system meanwhile (no VM change,
no upgrade of system libraries, etc). The image that crashed used no
FFI calls except those done by system as shipped. So in the end
something else seems to be broken and Rubric performance could be
just a consequence. Maybe I suspected the wrong guy. Sorry about that.

Yes and no, the 5.0 Image has a problem with loading FT-Fonts at startup

-> it crash crash, but not always.

and there are some (other) issues with Nautilus (fast table, it is now disabled

again,and some issues with rubric text for the code panel (slow and/or no highlighting)).

nicolai

Best, Jan

>
> Le 22/7/15 10:03, Jan Vrany a écrit :
> > On Tue, 2015-07-21 at 23:38 +0200, Franck Warlouzet wrote:
> > > Hello Jan,
> > >
> > > On Pharo 5, I don't think so (unless you want to reload the very
> > > old
> > > commits from nautilus). PluggableTextMorph will be remove so we
> > > will
> > > not put an option to switch between Rubric or that.
> > Right. Is there a way to dig out an older image prior the switch?
> >
> > > What do not you like with Rubric ?
> > It's not that I don't like it, but in my very case it burns
> > my CPU. Looks like a performance problem.
> >
> > Thanks! Jan
> >
> > > Franck
> > >
> > > > From: [hidden email]
> > > > To: [hidden email]
> > > > Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2015 22:19:05 +0100
> > > > Subject: [Pharo-dev] Disabling Rubric in Nautilus
> > > >
> > > > Hi there,
> > > >
> > > > is there a way to disable Rubric in Nautilus and get back
> > > > to PluggableTextMorph or whichever beast was used before?
> > > > Quick search in settings did not help.
> > > >
> > > > Jan
> > > >
> >
>
>

Jan Vrany

Re: Disabling Rubric in Nautilus (+VM crash)

In reply to this post by Nicolai Hess

Hi.
...

> > FFI calls except those done by system as shipped. So in the end
> > something else seems to be broken and Rubric performance could be
> > just a consequence. Maybe I suspected the wrong guy. Sorry about
> > that.
> Yes and no, the 5.0 Image has a problem with loading FT-Fonts at
> startup

Likely. Apparently I'm not alone who has this problem. Jan suggested
this could be due to connection/disconnection of an external
monitor. Could be. I'm switching a lot (and always did) between
"office" workplace
(docking station with 2 external LCDs) and "armchair" like workplace
using laptops internal panel. Both me an Jan are using Linux on a very
similar hardware.

Maybe a starting point to chase this down - perhaps image is cacheing
(not invalid) screen id or something like this. GDB could tell :-)

Best, Jan