I just have to share this.
===== And now a Dolphin Testimonial <g> ================= I have to admit I am thrilled with my Dolphin app. I decided to tackle something in Dolphin that I had started in C++ around 1 year ago. I have lots of C++ experience but don't like using relational db stuff. Tend to use BTRIEVE or Raima when I need database support in C++. Much easier and faster. This particular project, however, is very database intensive (in fact mostly database processing) and requires lots of dynamic handling of tables and fields. And it must use a real relational database backend for lots of business reasons. After around 1 month in C++ last year, I was forced to put the project on hold. The code wasn't done, and I ran into other project issues that I didn't have time to sort out. Now two weeks ago, I decided to solve a simpler project. I still didn't think the 'big' data project could be completed in a short time frame. I decided to tackle a simpler project that could give me 80% of the benefit of the larger project in much less time. After around 1 week I had solved the simpler project. I then realized that a) it really might not be 80% and b) perhaps I could use what I had already done to tackle the much harder project. Imagine my surprise when in just two days, I saw elements of this harder project already working in ways that the C++ code never did. All of a sudden I was tackling, and expecting to finish, this 'hard' project which mentally, after my original experience, I had decided was probably a six month task<g>. Now in two weeks with dolphin, the code for this 'six month project' is working fine. I am not even going to use the simpler project I completed first, except for reusing the code. As someone once said ST is not just for solving problems better, but for solving better problems<g> The new code not only works, but produces extensive audit trails and logs of errors. In looking at the old C++ code it is hard to see how it would have evolved without LOTS more work to be as robust and have similar audit trails and error logs. And the other project issues I ran into were much easier to figure out by hacking around in a workspace as compared to what I was doing last year! Even put some table processing code, which I had dreaded, into an MFC application that is doing some processing currently from flat files. Dolphin made me so happy I got this done in hours<g>. So this MFC app is slowing being migrated to this new database and will eventually be replaced with a Dolphin app as well<g>. So I am just completely thrilled. This is a very critical app for my business and I not only got it working with Dolphin quickly, but I solved some harder problems that I wasn't solving before. And dolphin saved me money too! Just this week I got an email from a vendor reminding me that my C++ relational library support contract expires shortly. What a coincidence! The renewal is around $1400. As things stand, I can get by with just the MFC table support in C++. More complex things will be done in Dolphin. Thats $1400 I wont't be spending<g>! I have to confess to having been one of those people who were just completely disgusted by what PPD, Digitalk, and ObjectShare 'did' to Smalltalk. I was very disheartenend and stopped using Smalltalk around 1-1/2 ago. At one time I had current licenses for VAST, VW, VSE, Smalltalk MT and Dolphin. Not too mention some adjust tools too. I let everything but Dolphin lapse. Even though I have been using ST in some capacity for around 15 years (very lite UI though). [I will probably reconsider getting at least one other license too. Just can't keep away]. Finally I decided that the only way I could get this done quickly, and ROBUSTLY, was to take it up again in Smalltalk. I am just so thrilled<g>. So I just want to thank Object-Arts and all the people in the Dolphin community. The information on this newsgroup, on site like Ians and Bill Schwabs sites, and lot of other stuff has all been immensely helpful. I still have lots of news archives to go through too. I guess what it all amounts to is that there is still no language, from where I sit, that has the level of expressitivity, and just plain productiveness of Smalltalk. I am no longer disheartened by Java and other hype. I realize there are long term issues for ST. But the fact remains, that there is still a very strong and vibrant Smalltalk community. And that most of the great ideas in OO are STILL coming from the Smalltalk community PPD, Digitalk, and ObjectShare couldn't kill it. Java hasn't killed it either. And what you survive makes you stronger. I see reasons for optimism. This could still be the Smalltalk decade. GO Smalltalk. |
"Eric Langjahr" <[hidden email]> wrote in message
news:[hidden email]... > And what you survive makes you stronger. A slight correction, in my opinion: That which doesn't kill you (a) makes you stronger or (b) makes you weaker or (c) leaves you neither stronger nor weaker. :-) > ===== And now a Dolphin Testimonial <g> ================= Thanks for the testimonial. I enjoyed it immensely. -- Frank [hidden email] |
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Eric,
Thanks for the great testimonial. Have you considered posting this to comp.lang.smalltalk.advocacy where it might help advocate for Smalltalk in general (as well as Dolphin in particular)? Best Regards, Andy Bower Dolphin Support http://www.object-arts.com --- Visit the Dolphin Smalltalk WikiWeb http://www.object-arts.com/wiki/html/Dolphin/FrontPage.htm --- "Eric Langjahr" <[hidden email]> wrote in message news:[hidden email]... > I just have to share this. > > ===== And now a Dolphin Testimonial <g> ================= > > I have to admit I am thrilled with my Dolphin app. I decided to > tackle something in Dolphin that I had started in C++ around 1 year > ago. I have lots of C++ experience but don't like using relational db > stuff. Tend to use BTRIEVE or Raima when I need database support in > C++. Much easier and faster. > > This particular project, however, is very database intensive (in fact > mostly database processing) and requires lots of dynamic handling of > tables and fields. And it must use a real relational database backend > for lots of business reasons. > > After around 1 month in C++ last year, I was forced to put the project > on hold. The code wasn't done, and I ran into other project issues > that I didn't have time to sort out. > > Now two weeks ago, I decided to solve a simpler project. I still > didn't think the 'big' data project could be completed in a short time > frame. I decided to tackle a simpler project that could give me 80% > of the benefit of the larger project in much less time. > > After around 1 week I had solved the simpler project. I then realized > that a) it really might not be 80% and b) perhaps I could use what I > had already done to tackle the much harder project. > > Imagine my surprise when in just two days, I saw elements of this > harder project already working in ways that the C++ code never did. > All of a sudden I was tackling, and expecting to finish, this 'hard' > project which mentally, after my original experience, I had decided > was probably a six month task<g>. > > Now in two weeks with dolphin, the code for this 'six month project' > is working fine. I am not even going to use the simpler project I > completed first, except for reusing the code. As someone once said ST > is not just for solving problems better, but for solving better > problems<g> > > The new code not only works, but produces extensive audit trails and > logs of errors. In looking at the old C++ code it is hard to see how > it would have evolved without LOTS more work to be as robust and have > similar audit trails and error logs. > > And the other project issues I ran into were much easier to figure out > by hacking around in a workspace as compared to what I was doing last > year! > > Even put some table processing code, which I had dreaded, into an MFC > application that is doing some processing currently from flat files. > Dolphin made me so happy I got this done in hours<g>. So this MFC > app is slowing being migrated to this new database and will eventually > be replaced with a Dolphin app as well<g>. > > So I am just completely thrilled. This is a very critical app for my > business and I not only got it working with Dolphin quickly, but I > solved some harder problems that I wasn't solving before. > > And dolphin saved me money too! Just this week I got an email from a > vendor reminding me that my C++ relational library support contract > expires shortly. What a coincidence! The renewal is around $1400. > As things stand, I can get by with just the MFC table support in C++. > More complex things will be done in Dolphin. Thats $1400 I wont't be > spending<g>! > > I have to confess to having been one of those people who were just > completely disgusted by what PPD, Digitalk, and ObjectShare 'did' to > Smalltalk. I was very disheartenend and stopped using Smalltalk > around 1-1/2 ago. At one time I had current licenses for VAST, VW, > VSE, Smalltalk MT and Dolphin. Not too mention some adjust tools too. > I let everything but Dolphin lapse. Even though I have been using ST > in some capacity for around 15 years (very lite UI though). [I will > probably reconsider getting at least one other license too. Just > can't keep away]. > > Finally I decided that the only way I could get this done quickly, and > ROBUSTLY, was to take it up again in Smalltalk. > > I am just so thrilled<g>. > > So I just want to thank Object-Arts and all the people in the Dolphin > community. > > The information on this newsgroup, on site like Ians and Bill Schwabs > sites, and lot of other stuff has all been immensely helpful. > > I still have lots of news archives to go through too. > > I guess what it all amounts to is that there is still no language, > from where I sit, that has the level of expressitivity, and just plain > productiveness of Smalltalk. > > I am no longer disheartened by Java and other hype. I realize there > are long term issues for ST. But the fact remains, that there is > still a very strong and vibrant Smalltalk community. And that most of > the great ideas in OO are STILL coming from the Smalltalk community > > PPD, Digitalk, and ObjectShare couldn't kill it. Java hasn't killed > it either. And what you survive makes you stronger. I see reasons > for optimism. This could still be the Smalltalk decade. > > GO Smalltalk. > > > > |
My news reader doesn't seem to have comp.lang.smalltalk.advocacy
available. I will complain<g>. In the meantime please feel free to repost it for me. On Tue, 23 Jan 2001 07:06:55 -0000, "Andy Bower" <[hidden email]> wrote: >Eric, > >Thanks for the great testimonial. Have you considered posting this to >comp.lang.smalltalk.advocacy where it might help advocate for Smalltalk in >general (as well as Dolphin in particular)? > >Best Regards, > >Andy Bower >Dolphin Support >http://www.object-arts.com > >--- >Visit the Dolphin Smalltalk WikiWeb >http://www.object-arts.com/wiki/html/Dolphin/FrontPage.htm >--- > >"Eric Langjahr" <[hidden email]> wrote in message >news:[hidden email]... >> I just have to share this. >> >> ===== And now a Dolphin Testimonial <g> ================= >> >> I have to admit I am thrilled with my Dolphin app. I decided to >> tackle something in Dolphin that I had started in C++ around 1 year >> ago. I have lots of C++ experience but don't like using relational db >> stuff. Tend to use BTRIEVE or Raima when I need database support in >> C++. Much easier and faster. >> >> This particular project, however, is very database intensive (in fact >> mostly database processing) and requires lots of dynamic handling of >> tables and fields. And it must use a real relational database backend >> for lots of business reasons. >> >> After around 1 month in C++ last year, I was forced to put the project >> on hold. The code wasn't done, and I ran into other project issues >> that I didn't have time to sort out. >> >> Now two weeks ago, I decided to solve a simpler project. I still >> didn't think the 'big' data project could be completed in a short time >> frame. I decided to tackle a simpler project that could give me 80% >> of the benefit of the larger project in much less time. >> >> After around 1 week I had solved the simpler project. I then realized >> that a) it really might not be 80% and b) perhaps I could use what I >> had already done to tackle the much harder project. >> >> Imagine my surprise when in just two days, I saw elements of this >> harder project already working in ways that the C++ code never did. >> All of a sudden I was tackling, and expecting to finish, this 'hard' >> project which mentally, after my original experience, I had decided >> was probably a six month task<g>. >> >> Now in two weeks with dolphin, the code for this 'six month project' >> is working fine. I am not even going to use the simpler project I >> completed first, except for reusing the code. As someone once said ST >> is not just for solving problems better, but for solving better >> problems<g> >> >> The new code not only works, but produces extensive audit trails and >> logs of errors. In looking at the old C++ code it is hard to see how >> it would have evolved without LOTS more work to be as robust and have >> similar audit trails and error logs. >> >> And the other project issues I ran into were much easier to figure out >> by hacking around in a workspace as compared to what I was doing last >> year! >> >> Even put some table processing code, which I had dreaded, into an MFC >> application that is doing some processing currently from flat files. >> Dolphin made me so happy I got this done in hours<g>. So this MFC >> app is slowing being migrated to this new database and will eventually >> be replaced with a Dolphin app as well<g>. >> >> So I am just completely thrilled. This is a very critical app for my >> business and I not only got it working with Dolphin quickly, but I >> solved some harder problems that I wasn't solving before. >> >> And dolphin saved me money too! Just this week I got an email from a >> vendor reminding me that my C++ relational library support contract >> expires shortly. What a coincidence! The renewal is around $1400. >> As things stand, I can get by with just the MFC table support in C++. >> More complex things will be done in Dolphin. Thats $1400 I wont't be >> spending<g>! >> >> I have to confess to having been one of those people who were just >> completely disgusted by what PPD, Digitalk, and ObjectShare 'did' to >> Smalltalk. I was very disheartenend and stopped using Smalltalk >> around 1-1/2 ago. At one time I had current licenses for VAST, VW, >> VSE, Smalltalk MT and Dolphin. Not too mention some adjust tools too. >> I let everything but Dolphin lapse. Even though I have been using ST >> in some capacity for around 15 years (very lite UI though). [I will >> probably reconsider getting at least one other license too. Just >> can't keep away]. >> >> Finally I decided that the only way I could get this done quickly, and >> ROBUSTLY, was to take it up again in Smalltalk. >> >> I am just so thrilled<g>. >> >> So I just want to thank Object-Arts and all the people in the Dolphin >> community. >> >> The information on this newsgroup, on site like Ians and Bill Schwabs >> sites, and lot of other stuff has all been immensely helpful. >> >> I still have lots of news archives to go through too. >> >> I guess what it all amounts to is that there is still no language, >> from where I sit, that has the level of expressitivity, and just plain >> productiveness of Smalltalk. >> >> I am no longer disheartened by Java and other hype. I realize there >> are long term issues for ST. But the fact remains, that there is >> still a very strong and vibrant Smalltalk community. And that most of >> the great ideas in OO are STILL coming from the Smalltalk community >> >> PPD, Digitalk, and ObjectShare couldn't kill it. Java hasn't killed >> it either. And what you survive makes you stronger. I see reasons >> for optimism. This could still be the Smalltalk decade. >> >> GO Smalltalk. >> >> >> >> > |
"EricL" <[hidden email]> wrote in message
news:[hidden email]... > My news reader doesn't seem to have comp.lang.smalltalk.advocacy > available. I will complain<g>. > > In the meantime please feel free to repost it for me. done. |
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