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Dolphin under Wine on Linux?

Paul Hudson
Anyone tried this recently? Does it work, or should I just revert to
Windows when I want to do Smalltalk?

P.


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Re: Dolphin under Wine on Linux?

Udo Schneider
Last time I tried it (2 weeks ago), is basically worked. The only (and
major!) problem I had seems to be related with the RichTextEdit Control
Dolphin uses. It seems that WINE doesn't supply this Windows Control.
Therefore you are not able to view or edit code.

BTW: I used CrossOver Office 1.20 which is an enhanced version of WINE
(extended regarding several Windows API Calls and the ability to install M$
Office).

CU,

Udo


Paul Hudson wrote:

> Anyone tried this recently? Does it work, or should I just revert to
> Windows when I want to do Smalltalk?
>
> P.


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Re: Dolphin under Wine on Linux?

Razorback Hellb'stard
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If you need a true Linux Smalltalk you could try VisualWorks or IBM
VisualAge Smalltalk, both of which work on Windows and Linux. Both of
these Smalltalks are very good and NC versions are available for
download.

RH.


On Wed, 30 Oct 2002 18:41:19 +0000, "Paul Hudson" <[hidden email]>
wrote:

>Anyone tried this recently? Does it work, or should I just revert to
>Windows when I want to do Smalltalk?
>
>P.


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Re: Dolphin under Wine on Linux?

Germán S. Arduino
That isn't the point I think.

Several people that I know (myself included) like too much Dolphin
and we wants to adopt Delphin as our main (and unique) development tool
(no another (and expensive!) Smalltalk) and many of our are dreaming
with the day when Dolphin ST run natively in Linux and produce
native Linux exes.

Dream is free!


"Razorback Hellb'stard" <[hidden email]> escribió en el
mensaje news:[hidden email]...

> If you need a true Linux Smalltalk you could try VisualWorks or IBM
> VisualAge Smalltalk, both of which work on Windows and Linux. Both of
> these Smalltalks are very good and NC versions are available for
> download.
>
> RH.
>
>
> On Wed, 30 Oct 2002 18:41:19 +0000, "Paul Hudson" <[hidden email]>
> wrote:
>
> >Anyone tried this recently? Does it work, or should I just revert to
> >Windows when I want to do Smalltalk?
> >
> >P.
>


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Re: Dolphin under Wine on Linux?

Sergei Gnezdov
Smalltalk/X runs on Linux, FreeBSD and other UNIX machines.
The latest version is free for commercial use.
You can create native applications with it.
There is a win32 port, but it is not as good as UNIX versions
(my main complain is that repaint is does not always work reliably when
window is resized).

There is a difference between great tool and a tool which fits the best.

"Germán S. Arduino" <[hidden email]> wrote in message
news:apriui$4fhgo$[hidden email]...

> That isn't the point I think.
>
> Several people that I know (myself included) like too much Dolphin
> and we wants to adopt Delphin as our main (and unique) development tool
> (no another (and expensive!) Smalltalk) and many of our are dreaming
> with the day when Dolphin ST run natively in Linux and produce
> native Linux exes.
>
> Dream is free!
>
>
> "Razorback Hellb'stard" <[hidden email]> escribió en el
> mensaje news:[hidden email]...
> > If you need a true Linux Smalltalk you could try VisualWorks or IBM
> > VisualAge Smalltalk, both of which work on Windows and Linux. Both of
> > these Smalltalks are very good and NC versions are available for
> > download.
> >
> > RH.
> >
> >
> > On Wed, 30 Oct 2002 18:41:19 +0000, "Paul Hudson" <[hidden email]>
> > wrote:
> >
> > >Anyone tried this recently? Does it work, or should I just revert to
> > >Windows when I want to do Smalltalk?
> > >
> > >P.
> >
>
>


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Re: Dolphin under Wine on Linux?

Germán S. Arduino
I know ST/X, but his lack of documentation and users that
can support problems in a group like this is a problem for me.

And, by other hand, I like Dolphin.

Regards.

"Sergei Gnezdov" <[hidden email]> escribió en el mensaje
news:apupil$56b$[hidden email]...

> Smalltalk/X runs on Linux, FreeBSD and other UNIX machines.
> The latest version is free for commercial use.
> You can create native applications with it.
> There is a win32 port, but it is not as good as UNIX versions
> (my main complain is that repaint is does not always work reliably when
> window is resized).
>
> There is a difference between great tool and a tool which fits the best.
>
> "Germán S. Arduino" <[hidden email]> wrote in message
> news:apriui$4fhgo$[hidden email]...
> > That isn't the point I think.
> >
> > Several people that I know (myself included) like too much Dolphin
> > and we wants to adopt Delphin as our main (and unique) development tool
> > (no another (and expensive!) Smalltalk) and many of our are dreaming
> > with the day when Dolphin ST run natively in Linux and produce
> > native Linux exes.
> >
> > Dream is free!
> >
> >
> > "Razorback Hellb'stard" <[hidden email]> escribió en
el

> > mensaje news:[hidden email]...
> > > If you need a true Linux Smalltalk you could try VisualWorks or IBM
> > > VisualAge Smalltalk, both of which work on Windows and Linux. Both of
> > > these Smalltalks are very good and NC versions are available for
> > > download.
> > >
> > > RH.
> > >
> > >
> > > On Wed, 30 Oct 2002 18:41:19 +0000, "Paul Hudson" <[hidden email]>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > >Anyone tried this recently? Does it work, or should I just revert to
> > > >Windows when I want to do Smalltalk?
> > > >
> > > >P.
> > >
> >
> >
>
>


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Re: Dolphin under Wine on Linux?

Smalltalkiano-4
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I share that dream too  :)

regards

Seb

"Germán S. Arduino" <[hidden email]> escribió en el mensaje
news:apriui$4fhgo$[hidden email]...

> That isn't the point I think.
>
> Several people that I know (myself included) like too much Dolphin
> and we wants to adopt Delphin as our main (and unique) development tool
> (no another (and expensive!) Smalltalk) and many of our are dreaming
> with the day when Dolphin ST run natively in Linux and produce
> native Linux exes.
>
> Dream is free!
>
>
> "Razorback Hellb'stard" <[hidden email]> escribió en el
> mensaje news:[hidden email]...
> > If you need a true Linux Smalltalk you could try VisualWorks or IBM
> > VisualAge Smalltalk, both of which work on Windows and Linux. Both of
> > these Smalltalks are very good and NC versions are available for
> > download.
> >
> > RH.
> >
> >
> > On Wed, 30 Oct 2002 18:41:19 +0000, "Paul Hudson" <[hidden email]>
> > wrote:
> >
> > >Anyone tried this recently? Does it work, or should I just revert to
> > >Windows when I want to do Smalltalk?
> > >
> > >P.
> >
>
>


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Re: Dolphin under Wine on Linux?

Steve Harris
Well if there is enough of a community we could write an open source
vm for dolphin and wrap qt or something for the widgets. It might
be fun.

IMHO dolphin has the best gui frameworks of any smalltalk. I'm
surprised the others haven't ripped it off yet :-).

It would be nice if it had native threads though.

"Smalltalkiano" <[hidden email]> wrote in message news:<b080lv$mhcv1$[hidden email]>...

> I share that dream too  :)
>
> regards
>
> Seb
>
> "Germán S. Arduino" <[hidden email]> escribió en el mensaje
> news:apriui$4fhgo$[hidden email]...
> > That isn't the point I think.
> >
> > Several people that I know (myself included) like too much Dolphin
> > and we wants to adopt Delphin as our main (and unique) development tool
> > (no another (and expensive!) Smalltalk) and many of our are dreaming
> > with the day when Dolphin ST run natively in Linux and produce
> > native Linux exes.
> >
> > Dream is free!
> >
> >
> > "Razorback Hellb'stard" <[hidden email]> escribió en el
> > mensaje news:[hidden email]...
> > > If you need a true Linux Smalltalk you could try VisualWorks or IBM
> > > VisualAge Smalltalk, both of which work on Windows and Linux. Both of
> > > these Smalltalks are very good and NC versions are available for
> > > download.
> > >
> > > RH.
> > >
> > >
> > > On Wed, 30 Oct 2002 18:41:19 +0000, "Paul Hudson" <[hidden email]>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > >Anyone tried this recently? Does it work, or should I just revert to
> > > >Windows when I want to do Smalltalk?
> > > >
> > > >P.
> > >
> >
> >


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Re: Dolphin under Wine on Linux?

luke
i tried wine and winex (cannot remember version numbers now) on dolphin
about 2 months ago and could not get past the install...

Steve Harris wrote:

> Well if there is enough of a community we could write an open source
> vm for dolphin and wrap qt or something for the widgets. It might
> be fun.
>
> IMHO dolphin has the best gui frameworks of any smalltalk. I'm
> surprised the others haven't ripped it off yet :-).
>
> It would be nice if it had native threads though.
>
> "Smalltalkiano" <[hidden email]> wrote in message news:<b080lv$mhcv1$[hidden email]>...
>
>>I share that dream too  :)
>>
>>regards
>>
>>Seb
>>
>>"Germán S. Arduino" <[hidden email]> escribió en el mensaje
>>news:apriui$4fhgo$[hidden email]...
>>
>>>That isn't the point I think.
>>>
>>>Several people that I know (myself included) like too much Dolphin
>>>and we wants to adopt Delphin as our main (and unique) development tool
>>>(no another (and expensive!) Smalltalk) and many of our are dreaming
>>>with the day when Dolphin ST run natively in Linux and produce
>>>native Linux exes.
>>>
>>>Dream is free!
>>>
>>>
>>>"Razorback Hellb'stard" <[hidden email]> escribió en el
>>>mensaje news:[hidden email]...
>>>
>>>>If you need a true Linux Smalltalk you could try VisualWorks or IBM
>>>>VisualAge Smalltalk, both of which work on Windows and Linux. Both of
>>>>these Smalltalks are very good and NC versions are available for
>>>>download.
>>>>
>>>>RH.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>On Wed, 30 Oct 2002 18:41:19 +0000, "Paul Hudson" <[hidden email]>
>>>>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Anyone tried this recently? Does it work, or should I just revert to
>>>>>Windows when I want to do Smalltalk?
>>>>>
>>>>>P.
>>>>
>>>


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Re: Dolphin under Wine on Linux?

Udo Schneider
luke wrote:
> i tried wine and winex (cannot remember version numbers now) on dolphin
> about 2 months ago and could not get past the install...
I tried Dolphin XP some time ago using CrossOver Office 1.3.1 (a
comercial M$ Office capable wine version).

Everything (including the installation) went fine. Just one exception.
It was not possible to do something usefull in the IDE because wine
doesn't seem to include an RTF control. Therefore no Workspace or
Browser works ;-(

CU,

Udo


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Re: Dolphin under Wine on Linux?

Blair McGlashan
"Udo Schneider" <[hidden email]> wrote in message
news:3e291d24$[hidden email]...

> luke wrote:
> > i tried wine and winex (cannot remember version numbers now) on dolphin
> > about 2 months ago and could not get past the install...
> I tried Dolphin XP some time ago using CrossOver Office 1.3.1 (a
> comercial M$ Office capable wine version).
>
> Everything (including the installation) went fine. Just one exception.
> It was not possible to do something usefull in the IDE because wine
> doesn't seem to include an RTF control. Therefore no Workspace or
> Browser works ;-(

You can workaround that problem by using the flexibility of MVP to replace
the workspace views with standard multiline edits.

1) From the class browser edit SmalltalkWorkspace 'Default view', and mutate
it from a RichTextEdit to a MultilineTextEdit
2) Do the same to SmalltalkWorkspace 'Method source'

Hey presto, you have now eliminated RTF controls from browser and
workspaces.

Regards

Blair