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Stéphane Ducasse
Dear Smalltalkers of all dialects!

In a time where we are bombarded with information and may be misinformed :),
some of you may not notice that ESUG is doing a great job pushing Smalltalk, we thought that it is good
 to get a gentle reminder on the main actions ESUG performed in the past. http://www.esug.org
Yes we have been busy promoting the language we all love. :)

The board.

        Sponsoring of Smalltalks Conference 2009
        ===================
                15 teachers got the travel/hosting payed to attend the conference
                Allessandro Warth invited talk sponsored

        Seaside Hosting since 2005
        ==========
                http://www.seasidehosting.st/

        Squeak VM support
        ============
                Squeak VM on iPhone - John McIntosh Mike Rueger
                Clean of the Squeak mac VM - John McIntosh

        Projects
        =====
                Morphic 30 project - Juan Vuletich
                iPhone Dev - Esteban Lorenzano
                DrGeoII Scripting Syntax extension - Hilaire Fernandes
                Glamour - Tudor Girba

        SummerTalk
        ========
                SqueakOpenDBX 2009
                SqueakOpenDBX 2008
                Safara 2008
                New Compiler for Squeak 2006
                RDF Framework for Smalltalk 2006
                Process based BugTracking System 2006
                ICal support in Smalltalk 2006
                SqueakBot 2006

        DVD
        ===
                Free Smalltalk DVD
                http://www.esug.org/Promotion/DVD

        Book sponsoring
        ==========
                Dynamic Web Development in Seaside by Ducasse etal. (2009)
                Squeak by Example by Black et al. (2008)
                A Mentoring Course on Smalltalk by Valloud et al. (2008)
                Fundamentals of Smalltalk Programming Technique by Valloud et al. (2008)
                Computer Programming using GNU Smalltalk. by C. Gökel (2009)
               
                Free sent books in 2002
                        •Universities that received the books:
                                –Germany: Darmstadt, Munich, Berlin
                                –Argentina: La Plata, Buenos Aires (3), Cordoba
                                –Belgium: Brussels
                                –France: Caen, Montpellier-II, Paris 8, Brest
                                –Spain: Vigo, Castellon
                                –Switzerland: St. Gallen
                                –Algeria: Chlef, Blida
                                –Argentina: Buenos Aires,
                                –Brasil: San Pablo
                                –Russia: Tver
                                –India: Hyderabad, Uttar Pradesh
                                –Chile: Santiago
                                –Italy: Cagliari, Benevento
                                –Czech Republic: Brno, Praha
                                –Servia: Novi Sad
                                –France: Douai
                                –United Kingdom: Portsmouth, Plymouth
                                –Belgium: Bruxelles
                                –Germany: Elmshorn
                                –China: Wuhan Hubei
                                –United States: Santa Barbara
                        •Universities that received the books + course
                                –Roumania: Timisoara, Cluj Napoca, Targovista

        Varia
        ====
                Sponsoring of the Russian Smalltalk Server (2010)
                Bootstrap Funds for Squeak Germany e.V. 2000 Euros.
                Booth at Conferences
                Chaos Computer Club talks at 21C3 and 23C3 (ESUG payed parts, besides SSUG und Squeak e.V)
                Scanning some of old books http://stephane.ducasse.free.fr/Freebooks.html       
                Digitizing VHS Video of Alan Kay's OOPSLA 1997 Keynote and make it available on Google Video
                Teaching at Barcelona (Spain)
                Teaching at Turino (Italy)
                Teaching at Bledj (Romania)
                Pharo Sprints
                Sponsoring of OSDC 2009 http://act.osdc.fr/osdc2009fr/sponsors.html

        Managing money for the Squeak foundation since 2004
        ==================================
                This action stopped since ESUG is not a bank

        Sponsoring scientific articles
        ==================
                6 international conference papers in 2009
                8 international conference papers in 2008

        Smalltalk article in the Press
        ==================
                6 in 2006
                3 in 2007
                5 in 2008

        ESUG Free entrance tickets
        ================
                Some in the previous years
                New this year 10 slots

        Student volunteer program
        =================
                21 students got free access and hosting in 2003
                15 students got free access and hosting in 2004
                A complete classroom of students of north acamedia got free access in 2004
                12 students got free access and hosting in 2005
                15 students got free access and hosting in 2006
                14 students got free access and hosting in 2007
                17 students got free access and hosting in 2008
                18 students got free access and hosting in 2009


Yes participating to the conference helps us to finance all these actions....


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Re: ESUG gentle actions reminder

Igor Stasenko
On 9 March 2010 23:49, Stéphane Ducasse <[hidden email]> wrote:
> Dear Smalltalkers of all dialects!
>
> In a time where         we are bombarded with information and may be misinformed :),
> some of you may not notice that ESUG is doing a great job pushing Smalltalk, we thought that it is good
>  to get a gentle reminder on the main actions ESUG performed in the past. http://www.esug.org
> Yes we have been busy promoting the language we all love. :)
>
> The board.
>

I hardly believe that there is anyone who thinks that ESUG is evil :)



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Re: ESUG gentle actions reminder

Stéphane Ducasse
who knows?
Some people with a small vision :)

And may be some people may not have noticed that over the years some open source dialect got a lot out of ESUG
and they could insinuate that ESUG coudl be against it.
We did not put all the cost of the actions because we are not that picky
but a project is about 2500 Euros, and summertalk was 1500 Euros now 2500 Euros
and cleaning Squeak VM for example cost several project cost.

Probably because people do not study at school  history and are bad in statistics nowadays but prefer marketing :).

Stef



On Mar 9, 2010, at 10:57 PM, Igor Stasenko wrote:

> On 9 March 2010 23:49, Stéphane Ducasse <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> Dear Smalltalkers of all dialects!
>>
>> In a time where         we are bombarded with information and may be misinformed :),
>> some of you may not notice that ESUG is doing a great job pushing Smalltalk, we thought that it is good
>>  to get a gentle reminder on the main actions ESUG performed in the past. http://www.esug.org
>> Yes we have been busy promoting the language we all love. :)
>>
>> The board.
>>
>
> I hardly believe that there is anyone who thinks that ESUG is evil :)
>
>
>
> --
> Best regards,
> Igor Stasenko AKA sig.
>
> _______________________________________________
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Re: ESUG gentle actions reminder

Stéphane Ducasse
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Of course we simply forgot to warmly thanks all our sponsors over all these years.
Because their support is also part of ESUG success.
Without sponsors our actions would be much more limited.
I refrained myself to come up with a list because if I forget one it will be worse :)

to see some of our recents sponsors:

        http://www.esug.org/
        http://www.esug.org/Conferences/2008/
        http://www.esug.org/Conferences/2007


Stef

PS: We do errors everyday but try to learn fast


On Mar 9, 2010, at 10:49 PM, Stéphane Ducasse wrote:

> Dear Smalltalkers of all dialects!
>
> In a time where we are bombarded with information and may be misinformed :),
> some of you may not notice that ESUG is doing a great job pushing Smalltalk, we thought that it is good
> to get a gentle reminder on the main actions ESUG performed in the past. http://www.esug.org
> Yes we have been busy promoting the language we all love. :)
>
> The board.
>
> Sponsoring of Smalltalks Conference 2009
> ===================
> 15 teachers got the travel/hosting payed to attend the conference
> Allessandro Warth invited talk sponsored
>
> Seaside Hosting since 2005
> ==========
> http://www.seasidehosting.st/
>
> Squeak VM support
> ============
> Squeak VM on iPhone - John McIntosh Mike Rueger
> Clean of the Squeak mac VM - John McIntosh
>
> Projects
> =====
> Morphic 30 project - Juan Vuletich
> iPhone Dev - Esteban Lorenzano
> DrGeoII Scripting Syntax extension - Hilaire Fernandes
> Glamour - Tudor Girba
>
> SummerTalk
> ========
> SqueakOpenDBX 2009
> SqueakOpenDBX 2008
> Safara 2008
> New Compiler for Squeak 2006
> RDF Framework for Smalltalk 2006
> Process based BugTracking System 2006
> ICal support in Smalltalk 2006
> SqueakBot 2006
>
> DVD
> ===
> Free Smalltalk DVD
> http://www.esug.org/Promotion/DVD
>
> Book sponsoring
> ==========
> Dynamic Web Development in Seaside by Ducasse etal. (2009)
> Squeak by Example by Black et al. (2008)
> A Mentoring Course on Smalltalk by Valloud et al. (2008)
> Fundamentals of Smalltalk Programming Technique by Valloud et al. (2008)
> Computer Programming using GNU Smalltalk. by C. Gökel (2009)
>
> Free sent books in 2002
> •Universities that received the books:
> –Germany: Darmstadt, Munich, Berlin
> –Argentina: La Plata, Buenos Aires (3), Cordoba
> –Belgium: Brussels
> –France: Caen, Montpellier-II, Paris 8, Brest
> –Spain: Vigo, Castellon
> –Switzerland: St. Gallen
> –Algeria: Chlef, Blida
> –Argentina: Buenos Aires,
> –Brasil: San Pablo
> –Russia: Tver
> –India: Hyderabad, Uttar Pradesh
> –Chile: Santiago
> –Italy: Cagliari, Benevento
> –Czech Republic: Brno, Praha
> –Servia: Novi Sad
> –France: Douai
> –United Kingdom: Portsmouth, Plymouth
> –Belgium: Bruxelles
> –Germany: Elmshorn
> –China: Wuhan Hubei
> –United States: Santa Barbara
> •Universities that received the books + course
> –Roumania: Timisoara, Cluj Napoca, Targovista
>
> Varia
> ====
> Sponsoring of the Russian Smalltalk Server (2010)
> Bootstrap Funds for Squeak Germany e.V. 2000 Euros.
> Booth at Conferences
> Chaos Computer Club talks at 21C3 and 23C3 (ESUG payed parts, besides SSUG und Squeak e.V)
> Scanning some of old books http://stephane.ducasse.free.fr/Freebooks.html       
> Digitizing VHS Video of Alan Kay's OOPSLA 1997 Keynote and make it available on Google Video
> Teaching at Barcelona (Spain)
> Teaching at Turino (Italy)
> Teaching at Bledj (Romania)
> Pharo Sprints
> Sponsoring of OSDC 2009 http://act.osdc.fr/osdc2009fr/sponsors.html
>
> Managing money for the Squeak foundation since 2004
> ==================================
> This action stopped since ESUG is not a bank
>
> Sponsoring scientific articles
> ==================
> 6 international conference papers in 2009
> 8 international conference papers in 2008
>
> Smalltalk article in the Press
> ==================
> 6 in 2006
> 3 in 2007
> 5 in 2008
>
> ESUG Free entrance tickets
> ================
> Some in the previous years
> New this year 10 slots
>
> Student volunteer program
> =================
> 21 students got free access and hosting in 2003
> 15 students got free access and hosting in 2004
> A complete classroom of students of north acamedia got free access in 2004
> 12 students got free access and hosting in 2005
> 15 students got free access and hosting in 2006
> 14 students got free access and hosting in 2007
> 17 students got free access and hosting in 2008
> 18 students got free access and hosting in 2009
>
>
> Yes participating to the conference helps us to finance all these actions....
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Pharo-project mailing list
> [hidden email]
> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project


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Re: ESUG gentle actions reminder

Igor Stasenko
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On 10 March 2010 09:28, Stéphane Ducasse <[hidden email]> wrote:
> who knows?
> Some people with a small vision :)
>
> And may be some people may not have noticed that over the years some open source dialect got a lot out of ESUG
> and they could insinuate that ESUG coudl be against it.
> We did not put all the cost of the actions because we are not that picky
> but a project is about 2500 Euros, and summertalk was 1500 Euros now 2500 Euros
> and cleaning Squeak VM for example cost several project cost.
>

I think all of above is only a tiny glipse of ESUG good deeds towards
supporting smalltalk.
The main thing, i think, is hosting and organizing a conference, which
is great world-wide event for all smalltalkers.

> Probably because people do not study at school  history and are bad in statistics nowadays but prefer marketing :).
>
> Stef
>
>
>
> On Mar 9, 2010, at 10:57 PM, Igor Stasenko wrote:
>
>> On 9 March 2010 23:49, Stéphane Ducasse <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>> Dear Smalltalkers of all dialects!
>>>
>>> In a time where         we are bombarded with information and may be misinformed :),
>>> some of you may not notice that ESUG is doing a great job pushing Smalltalk, we thought that it is good
>>>  to get a gentle reminder on the main actions ESUG performed in the past. http://www.esug.org
>>> Yes we have been busy promoting the language we all love. :)
>>>
>>> The board.
>>>
>>
>> I hardly believe that there is anyone who thinks that ESUG is evil :)
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Best regards,
>> Igor Stasenko AKA sig.
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Pharo-project mailing list
>> [hidden email]
>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project
>
>
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Re: ESUG gentle actions reminder

Stéphane Ducasse
And this year your wife will not get bored at ESUG since barcelona is coooool.

Stef

On Mar 10, 2010, at 2:15 PM, Igor Stasenko wrote:

> On 10 March 2010 09:28, Stéphane Ducasse <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> who knows?
>> Some people with a small vision :)
>>
>> And may be some people may not have noticed that over the years some open source dialect got a lot out of ESUG
>> and they could insinuate that ESUG coudl be against it.
>> We did not put all the cost of the actions because we are not that picky
>> but a project is about 2500 Euros, and summertalk was 1500 Euros now 2500 Euros
>> and cleaning Squeak VM for example cost several project cost.
>>
>
> I think all of above is only a tiny glipse of ESUG good deeds towards
> supporting smalltalk.
> The main thing, i think, is hosting and organizing a conference, which
> is great world-wide event for all smalltalkers.
>
>> Probably because people do not study at school  history and are bad in statistics nowadays but prefer marketing :).
>>
>> Stef
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mar 9, 2010, at 10:57 PM, Igor Stasenko wrote:
>>
>>> On 9 March 2010 23:49, Stéphane Ducasse <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>> Dear Smalltalkers of all dialects!
>>>>
>>>> In a time where         we are bombarded with information and may be misinformed :),
>>>> some of you may not notice that ESUG is doing a great job pushing Smalltalk, we thought that it is good
>>>>  to get a gentle reminder on the main actions ESUG performed in the past. http://www.esug.org
>>>> Yes we have been busy promoting the language we all love. :)
>>>>
>>>> The board.
>>>>
>>>
>>> I hardly believe that there is anyone who thinks that ESUG is evil :)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Best regards,
>>> Igor Stasenko AKA sig.
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Pharo-project mailing list
>>> [hidden email]
>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project
>>
>>
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>
>
>
> --
> Best regards,
> Igor Stasenko AKA sig.
>
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On 2010-03-09, at 11:28 PM, Stéphane Ducasse wrote:

> who knows?
> Some people with a small vision :)
>
> And may be some people may not have noticed that over the years some open source dialect got a lot out of ESUG
> and they could insinuate that ESUG coudl be against it.
> We did not put all the cost of the actions because we are not that picky
> but a project is about 2500 Euros, and summertalk was 1500 Euros now 2500 Euros
> and cleaning Squeak VM for example cost several project cost.

Because of that, (Squeak for the Macintosh V5 and iSqueak v2.x ) It made it possible for me to implement a Scratch viewer for the iPhone
If you check the reviews at http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/scratch/id358266270?mt=8
You'll see it made a lot of 12 years old kids happy. Although the kids don't directly see the ESUG funding here, it did have an impact in their lives.
Also out of it the MIT folks will have a transition platform (Scratch on the iPad) to explore UI issues with.

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Stéphane Ducasse
Hi john

Excellent! I forgot to thank the local organizers like michele, alain that help us to make money with the conference organization.
You know when we took over ESUG we dreamed of making things but the money was not there because the conference in itself was the goal and this was ok.
But we wanted to do more :)

BTW did you say that to the scratch people? May be you should mention that to etoyers and squeakers too. May be etoy could run on iPhone/iPad?
We are happy to get scratch further too. I heard rumors that they would rewrite everything in another language
so the iphone and ipad support may be the best way to keep them in smalltalk. I hope.

I have a question. I could not try yet (I asked mariano to play with an ipod touch and we will buy an ipad)
is scratch working ok from a speed point of view on an ipod touch?

On Mar 10, 2010, at 9:52 PM, John M McIntosh wrote:

>
> On 2010-03-09, at 11:28 PM, Stéphane Ducasse wrote:
>
>> who knows?
>> Some people with a small vision :)
>>
>> And may be some people may not have noticed that over the years some open source dialect got a lot out of ESUG
>> and they could insinuate that ESUG coudl be against it.
>> We did not put all the cost of the actions because we are not that picky
>> but a project is about 2500 Euros, and summertalk was 1500 Euros now 2500 Euros
>> and cleaning Squeak VM for example cost several project cost.
>
> Because of that, (Squeak for the Macintosh V5 and iSqueak v2.x ) It made it possible for me to implement a Scratch viewer for the iPhone
> If you check the reviews at http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/scratch/id358266270?mt=8
> You'll see it made a lot of 12 years old kids happy. Although the kids don't directly see the ESUG funding here, it did have an impact in their lives.
> Also out of it the MIT folks will have a transition platform (Scratch on the iPad) to explore UI issues with.
>
> --
> ===========================================================================
> John M. McIntosh <[hidden email]>   Twitter:  squeaker68882
> Corporate Smalltalk Consulting Ltd.  http://www.smalltalkconsulting.com
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>
>
>
>
>
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johnmci

On 2010-03-10, at 1:20 PM, Stéphane Ducasse wrote:

> Hi john
> BTW did you say that to the scratch people? May be you should mention that to etoyers and squeakers too. May be etoy could run on iPhone/iPad?

Ah, ok I'll send a note to John Maloney then so he understands the side effects of ESUG funding.
There isn't a technical reason *why* eToys couldn't run on an iPad. I can't speak for performance, or issues about approval tho.
Plus you need to port the ogg plugin, and as always how does the software engineer get paid?

> We are happy to get scratch further too. I heard rumors that they would rewrite everything in another language
> so the iphone and ipad support may be the best way to keep them in smalltalk. I hope.

They have done work with Java, and I believe Flash. Unfortunately the 400 kilogram gorilla in the room (Apple) has
managed to choose neither, which then makes it rough for them to work with the iPad.

>
> I have a question. I could not try yet (I asked mariano to play with an ipod touch and we will buy an ipad)
> is scratch working ok from a speed point of view on an ipod touch?

Some projects are good, some are poor. John Maloney sent me some graphic test cases.
We see a full background frame takes Squeak about 80 ms to render to the Squeak Display form,
for a sprite it's about 32 milliseconds.  The time taken to take the Squeak Display form and splash on
the glass is near zero.  A few hours last night spent fiddling with compiler magic and other things showed
the current setting I'm using are optimal. 60%+ of the time is in copyLoop anyway.

So it's all about optimization in the Smalltalk code.  Rumour is an iPad is much faster.

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Stéphane Ducasse

On Mar 10, 2010, at 10:56 PM, John M McIntosh wrote:

>
> On 2010-03-10, at 1:20 PM, Stéphane Ducasse wrote:
>
>> Hi john
>> BTW did you say that to the scratch people? May be you should mention that to etoyers and squeakers too. May be etoy could run on iPhone/iPad?
>
> Ah, ok I'll send a note to John Maloney then so he understands the side effects of ESUG funding.
> There isn't a technical reason *why* eToys couldn't run on an iPad. I can't speak for performance, or issues about approval tho.
> Plus you need to port the ogg plugin, and as always how does the software engineer get paid?

Ok fair.

>> We are happy to get scratch further too. I heard rumors that they would rewrite everything in another language
>> so the iphone and ipad support may be the best way to keep them in smalltalk. I hope.
>
> They have done work with Java, and I believe Flash. Unfortunately the 400 kilogram gorilla in the room (Apple) has
> managed to choose neither,

:) send him banana to compliment him :)

> which then makes it rough for them to work with the iPad.
>
>>
>> I have a question. I could not try yet (I asked mariano to play with an ipod touch and we will buy an ipad)
>> is scratch working ok from a speed point of view on an ipod touch?
>
> Some projects are good, some are poor. John Maloney sent me some graphic test cases.
> We see a full background frame takes Squeak about 80 ms to render to the Squeak Display form,
> for a sprite it's about 32 milliseconds.  The time taken to take the Squeak Display form and splash on
> the glass is near zero.  A few hours last night spent fiddling with compiler magic and other things showed
> the current setting I'm using are optimal. 60%+ of the time is in copyLoop anyway.
>
> So it's all about optimization in the Smalltalk code.

Ok we should continue pushing that.

>  Rumour is an iPad is much faster.
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