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Frederick Grose

Etoys in Sugar was: SoaS v10 testing and a few minor issues with 0.100

On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 12:39 PM, Peter Robinson <[hidden email]> wrote:

On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 5:33 PM, Gonzalo Odiard <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> >
>> > - The "eToys" activity (version 116) does not start properly
>> > then displays
>> > « cannot find image file: squeak, did you run 'inisqueak-m' ? »

This was ticketed here,
https://bugs.sugarlabs.org/ticket/4415

>>
>> The eToys developers are basically unresponsive, I'm in two minds
>> whether we even bother to ship it because they can't be bothered doing
>> things like updating to the latest sugar by migrating away from
>> sugar-presence-service/ which was deprecated a long time ago.
>>
>
>
> But this looks like a different problem, right?

TBH I have no idea, I've not had the time to look closely at eToys
because a lack of response from the maintainer or anyone bothering to
test or improve it makes me prioritise things that are easy for me to
fix where I actually get responses. Last release I removed it from the
main wheel because it wasn't a decent experience.

Peter
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Bert Freudenberg

Re: [SoaS] Etoys in Sugar was: SoaS v10 testing and a few minor issues with 0.100

On 19.11.2013, at 12:07, Frederick Grose <[hidden email]> wrote:

> On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 12:39 PM, Peter Robinson <[hidden email]> wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 5:33 PM, Gonzalo Odiard <[hidden email]> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > - The "eToys" activity (version 116) does not start properly
> >> > then displays
> >> > « cannot find image file: squeak, did you run 'inisqueak-m' ? »
>
> This was ticketed here,
> https://bugs.sugarlabs.org/ticket/4415

Ah. I even commented on that, apparently :)

> >>
> >> The eToys developers are basically unresponsive, I'm in two minds
> >> whether we even bother to ship it because they can't be bothered doing
> >> things like updating to the latest sugar by migrating away from
> >> sugar-presence-service/ which was deprecated a long time ago.

This is a rather non-trivial change to Etoys, whereas keeping the sugar-presence-service emulation around is pretty trivial.

Yes it would be good to do it, no I have not had the time. Nor someone else.

But made Etoys work even if the emulated presence service is not around. So everything except collaborating should work fine.

> > But this looks like a different problem, right?

Yes.

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Bert Freudenberg

Re: [SoaS] Etoys in Sugar was: SoaS v10 testing and a few minor issues with 0.100

On 19.11.2013, at 17:33, Peter Robinson <[hidden email]> wrote:

>>> On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 12:39 PM, Peter Robinson <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>> On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 5:33 PM, Gonzalo Odiard <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> - The "eToys" activity (version 116) does not start properly
>>>>>> then displays
>>>>>> « cannot find image file: squeak, did you run 'inisqueak-m' ? »
>>>
>>> This was ticketed here,
>>> https://bugs.sugarlabs.org/ticket/4415
>>
>> Ah. I even commented on that, apparently :)
>>
>>>>>
>>>>> The eToys developers are basically unresponsive, I'm in two minds
>>>>> whether we even bother to ship it because they can't be bothered doing
>>>>> things like updating to the latest sugar by migrating away from
>>>>> sugar-presence-service/ which was deprecated a long time ago.
>>
>> This is a rather non-trivial change to Etoys, whereas keeping the sugar-presence-service emulation around is pretty trivial.
>>
>> Yes it would be good to do it, no I have not had the time. Nor someone else.
>
> You've had 3 odd years.

Yes. It never got to the top of my priority list. Mea culpa.

>> But made Etoys work even if the emulated presence service is not around. So everything except collaborating should work fine.
>
> How? what release, how was it communicated?

Etoys 5. We last talked about it on the SoaS list on June 7 2012. I wrote in reply to Manuel Kaufmann:

"With regard to sharing, the only difference between Etoys 4 and Etoys 5 is that
Etoys 5 will still work if the presence service fails, whereas Etoys 4 showed
an error on startup."

>>>> But this looks like a different problem, right?
>>
>> Yes.
>
> Care to elaborate?

The startup error "cannot find image file: squeak" is not related to the presence service at all, because it happens before Etoys is even started up. So, "yes, this looks like a different problem". But without further information I can not elaborate, unfortunately.

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