Example of extensive T-Gen use, specifically...?

> Hi,
>
> I'm trying to quickly learn precisely what dependencies the resulting
> scanner and parser classes produced by T-Gen have upon the original
> T-Gen package.  The claim is they can be separated from it and work.
> The documentation hasn't much detail about how that should be done.
>
> I guess I could really use the Smalltalk source -- fileouts are
> fine -- for an application that uses T-Gen, preferably in Dolphin.
> Can someone send one to me?  I don't need any other documentation.
> I'm just interested in studying an example.  Obviously, it'd be
> better to have a Dolphin (4) package but a fileout is fine.
>
> Thanks much, --Jan
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>Jan Theodore Galkowski wrote:
>> =
>
>> Hi,
>> =
>
>> I'm trying to quickly learn precisely what dependencies the resulting
>> scanner and parser classes produced by T-Gen have upon the original
>> T-Gen package.  The claim is they can be separated from it and work.
>> The documentation hasn't much detail about how that should be done.
>
>There's a really good set of examples of Justin Graver's T-Gen usage
>at
>
>  ftp://st.uiuc.edu/pub/Smalltalk/st80_r41/T-gen2.1
>
>including a Smalltalk-80 front end for a Smalltalk-80 compiler
>written using T-Gen.

>  It's at
>
>ftp://st.uiuc.edu/pub/Smalltalk/st80_r41/T-gen2.1/T-gen-SmalltalkCompiler=
>=2Est
>
> --Jan
>
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> On Thu, 01 Nov 2001 11:47:57 -0500, Jan Theodore Galkowski
> <[hidden email]> wrote:
> >
> >Jan Theodore Galkowski wrote:
> >> =
> >
> >> Hi,
> >> =
> >
> >> I'm trying to quickly learn precisely what dependencies the resulting
> >> scanner and parser classes produced by T-Gen have upon the original
> >> T-Gen package.  The claim is they can be separated from it and work.
> >> The documentation hasn't much detail about how that should be done.
> >
> >There's a really good set of examples of Justin Graver's T-Gen usage
> >at
> >
> >  ftp://st.uiuc.edu/pub/Smalltalk/st80_r41/T-gen2.1

>"Richard A. Harmon" wrote:
>>
>> On Thu, 01 Nov 2001 11:47:57 -0500, Jan Theodore Galkowski
>> <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> >
>> >Jan Theodore Galkowski wrote:
>> >> =
>> >
>> >> Hi,
>> >> =
>> >
>> >> I'm trying to quickly learn precisely what dependencies the resulting
>> >> scanner and parser classes produced by T-Gen have upon the original
>> >> T-Gen package.  The claim is they can be separated from it and work.
>> >> The documentation hasn't much detail about how that should be done.
>> >
>> >There's a really good set of examples of Justin Graver's T-Gen usage
>> >at
>> >
>> >  ftp://st.uiuc.edu/pub/Smalltalk/st80_r41/T-gen2.1
>
>
>[snip]
>
>>
>> I couldn't get the GraphBuilder PTB class example to work (last
>> example in the doc.).  The author notes after running the example the
>> graph is built in the reverse order of what is required.  I think the
>> changes he say must be made are not included in the example.  
>
>Actually, Richard, that was precisely my experience.  I concluded that
>there was something wrong with my understanding and so I went fishing
>for more examples to debug me with.  I think the set I identified
>is good grist.  I had no trouble with expressing the patterns or
>parsing but, like you it seems, I couldn't follow the example and
>get the AST-builders to work properly.
>

>
>Failing that, I'll put some extensive comments about using T-Gen
>in the source and package I'm building for my term project in
>Professor Ralph Johnson's CS497 class (via Internet) which will
>be publicly available, from my site -- which I hope to put on
>the Dolphin Web ring -- and from the UIUC archive.  See
>
>
>http://wiki.cs.uiuc.edu/cs497rej/Flow+and+Dependency+Analysis+of+SQL+in+SQL+Scripts
>
>for the prospectus.

>
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>
> On Fri, 02 Nov 2001 04:08:45 GMT, Jan Theodore Galkowski
> <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> >"Richard A. Harmon" wrote:
> >>
> >> On Thu, 01 Nov 2001 11:47:57 -0500, Jan Theodore Galkowski
> >> <[hidden email]> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >Jan Theodore Galkowski wrote:
> >> >> =
> >> >
> >> >> Hi,
> >> >> =
> >> >
> >> >> I'm trying to quickly learn precisely what dependencies the resulting
> >> >> scanner and parser classes produced by T-Gen have upon the original
> >> >> T-Gen package.  The claim is they can be separated from it and work.
> >> >> The documentation hasn't much detail about how that should be done.
> >> >
> >> >There's a really good set of examples of Justin Graver's T-Gen usage
> >> >at
> >> >
> >> >  ftp://st.uiuc.edu/pub/Smalltalk/st80_r41/T-gen2.1
> >
> >
> >[snip]
> >
> >>
> >> I couldn't get the GraphBuilder PTB class example to work (last
> >> example in the doc.).  The author notes after running the example the
> >> graph is built in the reverse order of what is required.  I think the
> >> changes he say must be made are not included in the example.
> >
> >Actually, Richard, that was precisely my experience.  I concluded that
> >there was something wrong with my understanding and so I went fishing
> >for more examples to debug me with.  I think the set I identified
> >is good grist.  I had no trouble with expressing the patterns or
> >parsing but, like you it seems, I couldn't follow the example and
> >get the AST-builders to work properly.
> >
>
> I posted a request for help on this example to comp.lang.smalltalk in
> September but got no response.  The subject was:
>
>         T-gen Doc. Comprehensive Example Single-pass Corrected Step?
>
> >I'm hoping for insight in the new code I have and I'll post something
> >here if I understand it well enough to explain it succinctly.
>
> Great.  I think more (and a complete) example(s) would help folks
> trying to puzzle out how to use T-gen.
>
> >
> >Failing that, I'll put some extensive comments about using T-Gen
> >in the source and package I'm building for my term project in
> >Professor Ralph Johnson's CS497 class (via Internet) which will
> >be publicly available, from my site -- which I hope to put on
> >the Dolphin Web ring -- and from the UIUC archive.  See
> >
> >
> >http://wiki.cs.uiuc.edu/cs497rej/Flow+and+Dependency+Analysis+of+SQL+in+SQL+Scripts
> >
> >for the prospectus.
>
> Looks challenging.  Good luck.  I'll keep an eye on your site.
>
> Over the years there have been a couple of different folks that have
> been maintaining T-gen.  From posts on c.l.s it seems that folks that
> try to contact the last/current person haven't gotten a response.
>
> A couple vaguely related points are:
>
> I was always uneasy about getting downloads of T-gen for various
> dialects--I have four or five now.  I never knew how complete a port
> was, nor from which version of which dialect port of T-gen it was
> derived.  There doesn't seem to be any way to incorporate known fixes,
> enhancements, etc.  It really impacted me as I didn't know if I'd made
> a mistake out of ignorance or it was a flaw or limitation of T-gen.
>
> If I found something I was fairly sure was a bug, there was no
> common/reference version to fix, and move T-gen forward.
>
> I always thought a Smalltalk Interchange Format (SIF) version would
> help eliminate some of these variables as it could be a common
> starting point for all dialect specific ports.
>
> I also think the UIUC Smalltalk achieves would be a very useful place
> to make code available.  I tried to upload some Dolphin code a couple
> of years ago, but couldn't figure out how to get past the "Index Card"
> screen when it asked for the dialect, but Dolphin wasn't a choice on
> the list.
>
> I tried an email to the page maintainer, and a couple of posts to
> others, but never got any response.  So I gave up and just created a
> personal web page with my code.
>
> The Dolphin community seem to prefer to make code available on their
> personal web page.  Their interest waxes and wanes, and so personal
> web pages come and go, and so useful stuff seems to disappear.